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post Jul 18 2016, 03:44 PM

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QUOTE(saitong09 @ Jul 18 2016, 08:06 AM)
Wow dual SB2000 in bedroom, you might be heavily did sound insulation in a small room.
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My bedroom is about 1650cu feet. I have some corner bass traps, but it's really not too bad considering I have a queen size bed in there as well as a couch.


QUOTE(wkang @ Jul 18 2016, 11:29 AM)
Hi Bro, nice purchase of the DDRC-24. You're using DIRAC for the subs and YPAO for the rest of the speaker setup?

Can share some screenshots of your DIRAC curves? You're using default or customs curves?

Cheers.
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I'm still experimenting, right now I have Dirac for the subs and a manual YPAO after the crossover point (80hz). I may also not use YPAO and the rsc filters too and just opt on measuring with REW and importing the results into YPAO manual.

Will share graphs when I finalize stuff.

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post Jul 18 2016, 05:47 PM

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QUOTE(sonerin @ Jul 18 2016, 04:02 PM)
For a room that is about 200 sq feet with dual sub is a lot
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Trust me, I was considering dual PB2000s but footprint was an issue. If it was up to me, I'd actually get a single SB13U instead.

That said, I have the dual SB2000s because of some circumstances;
1) I switched out a single SB1000 for the SB2000.
2) A good friend was selling his SB2000 to upgrade to a PB13U, so I picked up the second SB2000 for like RM2k which I think is a good price for a 1 year old sub.
3) Due to how my couch is in relation to the screen, having only 3 placement options in my room for 1 sub was difficult to smooth out. Having the 2nd sub was a substantial improvement, which for RM2k isn't bad at all.


QUOTE(wkang @ Jul 18 2016, 04:28 PM)
Nice, look forward to your findings as usual, bet it sounds awesome too.

I'm using DIRAC and tried both custom and default curves for all channels. In the end settled on the default curve for now.
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So far, subs wise... pretty damn fantastic. Currently I'm on the default curve as well, but I did play with the custom curves to see how it interacts with my room modes.

This whole week is going to be OCD city for me lol in trying to get the best response. That said, at this point I'm already 90% happy considering the limited amount of area I can deal with in my bedroom.
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post Jul 18 2016, 09:59 PM

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QUOTE(saitong09 @ Jul 18 2016, 09:11 PM)
I thought the best matching are ported sub + sealed sub?
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No, it's generally best to match the same sub to one another. It's also much easier to EQ and find proper sub locations.

But a ported and sealed sub can be mixed together though extensive know how of room modes work, EQing, as well as time and patience to find the best location for the subs. Get them right and you really will have the best of both worlds.
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post Jul 19 2016, 12:22 AM

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QUOTE(saitong09 @ Jul 18 2016, 10:32 PM)
ic, so you didn't think of best of both worlds?
Btw, saw your room at Actsessory FB smile.gif
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Not enough space for the PB2000 lol, not that I don't want. The only feasible location I can put a PB2000 is under my PC desk, but that place isn't good at all for a sub.

Haha yeah that pic was taken when I just had the Prime Sats as my main system. Small little guys, but definitely gutsy.
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post Jul 19 2016, 02:53 PM

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QUOTE(saitong09 @ Jul 19 2016, 09:03 AM)
Ya the PB2000 damn big and bulky even put in the living Hall and if put in a small room all things shaking including your ceiling smile.gif
So what was the replacement for your Prime Stats?
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Well, I am happy enough with dual SB2000s though. I get audible output down to 17hz with room gain, that's enough to shake my couch and bed already which is all I need in this bedroom.

I moved my Prime Sats to surround and height presence for Atmos/DTSX duties. Replaced the L/R with Prime Bookshelfs and the center with Ultra Center.
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post Jul 19 2016, 05:00 PM

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QUOTE(sonerin @ Jul 18 2016, 07:50 PM)
Can explain how does the ddrc-24 work in home theater setup ? I am total noob in dsp
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Sorry missed your post.


Basically think of it as an external room correction and DSP for your speakers, instead of one being built into a receiver or pre/pro.

It's no secret that DIRAC is a lot more advanced than YPAO or Audyssey (or MCACC). It's just more sophisticated, has a lot more manual control and since minidsp devices are compatible with REW out of the box, it gives pretty much everything you need to correct a room as best as possible (consumer wise).

That said, it's not a plug and play device. DIRAC has a learning curve as does REW (as you already know I'm sure).


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post Jul 20 2016, 03:04 PM

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QUOTE(saitong09 @ Jul 19 2016, 10:29 PM)
Not Ultra Bookshelfs?
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Not yet. I got the Prime bookshelfs for a fairly good price (htkaki knows I believe). I'm not sure yet what my "end-game" would be as I'm still planning on my actual HT room.
It may be SVS ultras, it may be something else entirely. I'm intrigued by Martin Logans, I want to try JBL out and I wouldn't mind the Aperion Grand Verus line either.

Very happy with SVS though, does everything absolutely well so I'm always assured that I don't play something and it doesn't sound right. One of the best all-rounders around definitely, but it just lacks that final touch that makes them phenomenal.

It's been an upgrade coming from the KEF Q series to be honest.


QUOTE(jamesleetech @ Jul 19 2016, 10:44 PM)
Oh... so, as I understand it from the info, that means the NanoAVR & NanoAVR HD calibration is not suitable for home theatre blurays as these Diracs do not support max 24bit 192KHz. I am more a home theatre person for concerts and movies and stereo hifi is secondary to me.

Thanks for your explanation.
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I don't think no support for 24/192khz is an issue. To be honest, you're absolutely splitting hairs at that high of a sampling rate anyways. Just because a source is "supposedly" mastered at 24/192khz, it doesn't mean that it wasn't upsampled in the first place. It's a meaningless numbers game majority of the time.
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post Jul 20 2016, 06:25 PM

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QUOTE(jamesleetech @ Jul 20 2016, 06:14 PM)
Similar to the explanation by people who says that a LOT of SACD discs and DSD64 384KHz audio files are not recorded / mastered in 64bit 384KHz when in actual fact that the source have been "upsampled". Also the same debate will also be hurled on those "supposedly 4K movies" which were NOT originally filmed in 4K resolution especially for the older movies. Even humans with a perfect hearing can only hear from 20Hz to 20KHz so if its just only about our ability to hear the sound then what's the point of even going down the route of 48KHz or anything beyond 20KHz. The same situation for ribbon drivers which can reach 60KHz frequency.

Yes, I do agree its a "meaningless numbers game" because after all, each of us perceive sound differently. In the same room with the same amps and speakers playing the same song track, this is why a person who hears the speaker sound to be too harsh with poor bass but another who listened to it can say the bass is just right and punchy, warm and not harsh.

You do have a point. Thanks for sharing your thoughts.
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Well in the case of room correction, proper PEQing is like a million times more important than having support for 24/192khz. I mean, it's obvious which is more important in providing the best listening experience.

Hmmm older movies... true. Though there are plenty of movies that were shot in film that was mastered at up to 8k back in the 80s and 90s. It's only in the last decade where digital cameras were capped at 2k and needed to be upscaled to 4k for today's TVs. Only in the last 2 years where there were native 4k digital cameras, sadly.
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QUOTE(sonerin @ Jul 20 2016, 06:37 PM)
Source is the most important in audio. If crappy source than what ever EQ or calibration don't even have to consider
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Obviously la bro. That applies to low quality sources that still uses VCD sampling rates.

But we're talking about high quality sources here from BD at least (I thought it's presumed already?), at above 24/48khz there isn't going to be a very significant difference beyond this sampling rate. As I said, we're pretty much splitting hairs after this.
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post Jul 21 2016, 06:24 PM

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Will be there tomorrow afternoon as well.
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post Jul 22 2016, 02:06 AM

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QUOTE(saitong09 @ Jul 21 2016, 06:46 PM)
What you plan to buy?
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No plans to buy anything, but will keep an open mind. tongue.gif
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post Jul 22 2016, 04:41 PM

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Lol if only money not a prob then I'll swipe for Dali Rubicons already. tongue.gif
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post Jul 22 2016, 11:17 PM

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Chong is at Maxx audio room, spoke to him for a good 15 mins.

I'm glad the PC13U made a comeback though. The Prime elevation speakers are okay, they're basically just prime satellites at a higher price with a deeper cabinet. Problem though is they aren't placed high enough so the height effects sounded a bit too directional. But understandable that Max couldn't bring a longer stand.
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post Jul 23 2016, 11:43 AM

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QUOTE(saitong09 @ Jul 23 2016, 11:04 AM)
I believe even if MYR raising,  the selling price in Malaysia won't drop
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Depends. The prices for SVS products are determined at the time stock is ordered. Doesn't mean that tomorrow MYR goes to 3.2 to 1usd then all products will drop price on the day after.

At this moment though, don't expect rock bottom pricing.


Anyways, for those wanting to get a new receiver, Desa HT and style laser are selling off some for pretty good deals. Marantz Sr6010 from style laser is only at RM4.2k for example.
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post Jul 23 2016, 08:59 PM

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I think XTZ could have rented a bigger room or something. Their super sub had to be toned down and stuffed so that it doesn't break things. sweat.gif

Seriously wasted potential to show off their sound signature.
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post Jul 31 2016, 10:54 PM

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The PB13U is like a kid compared to this freak of nature -
http://www.avsforum.com/forum/113-subwoofe...-sub-power.html

http://jtrspeakers.com/home-audio/captivator-4000ulf/

10hz @ 103.5db.
Yes you read that right, 10hz.


Must own this one day.
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post Aug 1 2016, 03:31 PM

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QUOTE(bad2928 @ Aug 1 2016, 12:16 AM)
oh my...not just heart but all internal organ will shaking probably stop functioning  tongue.gif
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10hz is bass transducers level already. So yeah, your organs will literally be shaking. Another super sub maker I have always loved is the Seaton Submersive. That one is just a whole other level of insanity.


QUOTE(saitong09 @ Aug 1 2016, 11:03 AM)
Can buy 3 unit of PB2000 d
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TBH, I personally feel that it is better to have 2 good subs vs 1 great sub. Yeah the PB2000 doesn't go as low as the PB13u (or even the PB12+ for that matter). But 2 of them is definitely no slouch if your room isn't on the large side.
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QUOTE(htkaki @ Aug 1 2016, 01:10 PM)
A forummer here bought this years ago. Couldn't get it right in his small room. It was posted in Home Entertainment. I was there to help out. Months later, he sold it. Recently I saw someone posted this for sale again.
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Speaking of which, since you're here... do you still bring in Rythmik subs?
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post Aug 1 2016, 10:46 PM

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QUOTE(htkaki @ Aug 1 2016, 10:20 PM)
No longer doing Rythmik.
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That's unfortunate. Rythmik has some great subs too.
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post Aug 2 2016, 03:01 PM

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QUOTE(sonerin @ Aug 2 2016, 07:07 AM)
With SVS around nothing to miss out
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Uh don't agree. There are great subs from other ID companies like PSA and Hsu too. It's a matter of choices.


QUOTE(sherr127 @ Aug 2 2016, 12:46 PM)
I've tested Rythmik FV15hp in my room to compare with my Pb13u.It goes lower but mid bass is very weak,not even reaching my belly..
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They are sold at completely different price points, so I think that is a little unfair comparison no?

Mid bass being weak is odd though. In an open ground plane measurement, the fv15hp isn't that far off the PB13u at 50hz and up.

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