Convincing perhaps, but for what argument exactly? From the statistics, I can conclude that more students achieve 3/4 A's in A-level compare to STPM. That is all, it doesn't tell me that A-Level is better or more accepted than STPM. Correlation does not imply causation, mind you.

Read this Post #1 by the TS.

This IS the context.

And this IS the argument.

This post has been edited by zeng: Mar 2 2014, 10:23 PM

I was not arguing against TS. I was arguing against limeuu. I was arguing against the idea that A-Levels are easily accepted than STPM when it comes to critical courses in UK. Through this mini-argument, he countered me with these statistics and in that context, bears little value towards our argument. As you can see, he is arguing about this at the point of 'applying to university', not 'getting A's', If I am arguing against TS, then the statistics are relevant, yes.

I barely care if TS wants to blame the system for his not-so-great-achievement. I came to this forum to argue against those people who have misconception about STPM and trying to discredit them in one way or another.

This post has been edited by toMochika27: Mar 2 2014, 10:37 PM

you are indeed very confused....

don't think too much, it is nothing to do with what percentage of people got accepted using each pre-u qualification....

just know this....if two friends with equal abilities (in school always gets about the same marks, the same relative positions) were to each undertake a levels and stpm respectively, and assuming that they lie at about the 95th percentile of the student cohort, then the a levels student will likely get 2a*a, and the stpm student maybe aa-bb. If both apply to uk for medicine and both clear the ukcak/bmat/ps/interviews and both are given conditional offers with the typical aaa, then obviously, the a level student got the place, and the stpm student unfortunately has failed to meet the condition....

there are so many examples of such differences in grades between students in a levels and stpm...many here will know such instances amongst their peers....and that is exactly ts's point in the original post.....

bottom line....it is much easier to score good grades in a levels than stpm.....hence stpm students will be at a disadvantage....

it is the same between matrik and stpm...for entry into ipta.....

and btw, it's number of students, not 'amount of students'.........

This post has been edited by limeuu: Mar 2 2014, 10:49 PM

you are indeed very confused....i have clearly indicated that it is not about the ACCEPTABILITY of any particular pre-u qualification.....

I appreciate the maturity and understanding...that's exactly my point, I sincerely thought that a life, living example can present my point clearer, alas, I was too childishly mistaken, apologies to any wise one here, especially to toMochika27.

In fact, my main point of my long write up is:

if you do not keen or half-hearted in pursuing excellence in ANYTHING you do, (study, work, Love life, friendship, hobbies etc) any path of study you take is immaterial. Admittedly, in a strict sense, it is out of topic as per the title of the forum is concern, my apologies to TS, but my "involvement" is with a sincere heart to help or maybe to inspire TS (with my own true live scenario) that he/she has to be prepared to hit the tough path, STPM or not (better don't quote Taylor or anything more than that, nanti kena lagi, LOL).

I got nothing to lose here, nothing to gain by out-argueing the "zen" guy, let it be...my life is good and my tough struggle is over, it is TS and those up-and-coming people's struggle now onward...

BTW (out of topic here), my nick of "MBC270CDI" means Mercedes Benz C Class 2.7 Liter Diesel Turbo...haha, I buy with my hard-working-always-want-to-do-best-attitude CASH lor. Anyway, I don't intend to be my best to argue with some people who start calling people name like immature etc....chao. I am done here, no need to reply to my writing here.

To those who still need to work hard (study or work) and hunting for better life in this country, I wish you all the best. Should we cross path again, and you are really a good attitude person, I will have no problem to lend you a hand or point you to a better path, if you need it, with the hope to help you to achieve something much higher than this immature 48 yrs old man...

you should then take your son out of matrik, and put him into stpm then, since it matters not, and he 'has to be prepared to hit the tough path'....

I am sorry ... for the 'misunderstanding' .......

Hahaha ........ and apply for direct entry ONLY to Oxbridge medicine schools,if I may add.

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STPM

I've gone through STPM and I can say that:
IPTA priorities are mostly given to Matriks/Asasi/Diploma students. Sorry STPM students, you have to stand aside first.
Decent STPM results are able to study overseas, but chances of getting into foreign universities are EXTREMELY SLIM as compared to A-level graduates.
Starting in 2014, JPA has STOPPED giving out scholarships for STPM graduates to study overseas.
Conclusion? STPM students, good luck on choosing universities!

so true

If I'm not mistaken, you can still try the PCPU scholarship once they have officially launched it...

Sorry, that's only available for students who had taken SPM 2014 or later.
Means I won't even have a share.

I'm planning to do form 6 this year, then probably China or UK for degree. do you all think it's a good choice? Please help 🙏

You can go for STPM, but I'm not sure what happens if you failed Pengajian Am.
Personally I went for A_Level because I cannot write BM essays. Else take it as private candidate.

UK Maybe, China I think go to Xiamen University good enough. No need go to China unless you want go to Chinese Ivy League University.

Sure it's a good choice. You save a lot of money going to STPM, and yet your qualification is recognised by UK and China. You'll probably need TOEFL/IELTS though.

PA is generally not considered a valid subject by UK, which means your remaining 3 subjects are all crucial in determining your university acceptance.