That they will be at a great disadvantage against a-level students if applying to critical courses.... But they will be fine for most other courses....

To all participating forummers here, please allow me to put you in another perspective about studying, STPM, A-level or whatever, then enter into real live of LIVING! Here it goes..
Since you hang around here, it means u r in cross road or look for some "confirmation" of your choice and what not


""Yes, we are talking about STPM as a choice , not talking about individual success traits etc .PERIOD""


please be realistic that any courses, any path of study (STPM, A-level, Taylor, Monash or whatever) is DOESN'T MATTER! The only matter is YOU! How hungry, determined, passionate, willingness, inspired, self-realization of wanting to success or do something good to yourself, your family and your society, PERIOD!

I assume you took both to label this is 'valid point in real life'.

In relation to A level
Just because A Levels are the biggest most known exams here in Malaysia, do not assume our apparently not so high class STPM is unheard off in UK.

You will never reach your destination if you stop and throw stones at every dogs that barks - Winston Churchill 

http://famousgreatandall.blogspot.com/2013...estination.html

Its ironic how you point him as immature when you are angry at his argument. They may or may not be relevant but some truth are still there.

how am i looking down on stpm?....

i did NOT say you cannot use the stpm to enter uk unis....in fact, it is quite easy, for non-critical courses....

i am saying, the stpm in it's present form, compared to a levels, means students in stpm are at a disadvantage when applying....

this is nothing to do with the syllabus, or 'prestige' of stpm, but purely on the way stpm is graded...

some simple statistics will explain this.....18% of overall a levels students get 3a or better.....and 4% gets 3* or better.....(the results in most msian colleges are even better than this)

compare this with 0.6% of stpm students with 4a (4.0).....

so if your friends do manage to get into medicine or oxbridge with stpm, good on them, they have achieved in spite of the odds against them....

but the fact remains, the same person will get better grades, and better chances to enter critical courses with a levels, then if he had done stpm.....

Hey guys , I just finished my STPM few weeks ago , and I realize that most of the A-level students can do better than STPM students . They have a lot of past year papers to do and they actually score easily and better than STPM students ...which I think that it is really not worthy to study STPM(Form6) .(Okay ...A-level is just an example..lol, A-level students ,please don't fight for this ..lol)
STPM students have more thing to study and it is really hard to score well... Is STPM a grave digged by the government for Chinese students ? No offence (I'm talking about majority), I only know it is really hard for Chinese to get into matrikulasi ,and that is written clearly by Malaysia government .
Just my advice , if you are thinking of going to form 6 ( for SPM ) graduates , think TWICE.
I doesn't mean that you can't do well in STPM , it just need more passionate ...
I went through the whole process and it is really a tough process compare to others .
(Why I know? I have friends all around me taking all other Pre-U exam...)
Just my two cents , if you have any objection or question ,feel free to comment.

I was not arguing against TS. I was arguing against limeuu. I was arguing against the idea that A-Levels are easily accepted than STPM when it comes to critical courses in UK. Through this mini-argument, he countered me with these statistics and in that context, bears little value towards our argument. As you can see, he is arguing about this at the point of 'applying to university', not 'getting A's', If I am arguing against TS, then the statistics are relevant, yes.

I barely care if TS wants to blame the system for his not-so-great-achievement. I came to this forum to argue against those people who have misconception about STPM and trying to discredit them in one way or another.

you should then take your son out of matrik, and put him into stpm then, since it matters not, and he 'has to be prepared to hit the tough path'....