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post Jul 6 2006, 09:01 PM

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QUOTE(sniper on the roof @ Jul 5 2006, 04:00 PM)
So many words....headache....didn't read.... but the Force flows strong in you.

Most of all...u totally tar pau'ed me in terms of hardware purchases.

Mine was...over past 3 years.

3 mobos, 3 processors, 4GB of rams, 4 psu's, 3 casings, countless fans, 6 vga HSFs, ~10 cpu HSF (lost count)...and get this... 8 VGA's!!!!  rclxm9.gif  rclxm9.gif
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You check his post.. All so many words.. makes people lazy to read and ignore the thread liao.. laugh.gif
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post Jul 7 2006, 01:24 AM

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this thread seems not really that active anymore, but i would just like to ask something(related to the PSU issue eventhough rigmaster already got his answers).

Is there any possibility that Powerlogic is actually Colorsit, just different brand. As we see, Colorsit too has an Atrix Casing which Powerlogic has.
Btw, answering a question i forgotten by whom on this thread regarding the weight of the powerlogic casing after Amedion stated it was heavy, the Atrix 500 PSU actually has a plastic casing, if i have not mistaken. Does this really add weight to the PSU itself?

Btw, i haven't seen anyone talk about Tagan here, any views on Tagan PSU?
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post Jul 7 2006, 11:57 AM

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QUOTE(@meno @ Jul 7 2006, 01:24 AM)
this thread seems not really that active anymore, but i would just like to ask something(related to the PSU issue eventhough rigmaster already got his answers).

Is there any possibility that Powerlogic is actually Colorsit, just different brand. As we see, Colorsit too has an Atrix Casing which Powerlogic has.
Btw, answering a question i forgotten by whom on this thread regarding the weight of the powerlogic casing after Amedion stated it was heavy, the Atrix 500 PSU actually has a plastic casing, if i have not mistaken. Does this really add weight to the PSU itself?

Btw, i haven't seen anyone talk about Tagan here, any views on Tagan PSU?
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Tagan's are a Topower brand.

Very decent stuffs just that I didn't really like the new ones with the "switchable" single or split rail....sounds very suspicious.
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post Jul 8 2006, 02:53 AM

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QUOTE(sniper on the roof @ Jul 5 2006, 04:00 PM)
So many words....headache....didn't read.... but the Force flows strong in you.

Most of all...u totally tar pau'ed me in terms of hardware purchases.

Mine was...over past 3 years.

3 mobos, 3 processors, 4GB of rams, 4 psu's, 3 casings, countless fans, 6 vga HSFs, ~10 cpu HSF (lost count)...and get this... 8 VGA's!!!!  rclxm9.gif  rclxm9.gif
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what can i said for past few month, 3 mobo, more than 6 amd64 include opteron used, countless fan, chipset heatsink..., 3 cpu heatsink...
more than 8 pair of 512mb ram, and 1 pair 1024mb ram...
one casing that plug in 2 xtreme delta fan, full speed will like a vacuum machine...

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post Jul 8 2006, 10:24 AM

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HERE I COME AGAIN ...

But something More Interesting .....


Cooler Master Real Power 550W SLi(RS-550-ACLY) Same Performance as PowerLogic ATRIX 500W ?


I just Buy Cooler Master Real Power 550W SLi(RS-550-ACLY) yesterday and try ... found out that the Overclocking is the same ...

I summarise my problem again :
1) Cannot Boot up properly at first boot if OC >3.4GHz unless Press reset Button , the second boot is sucessful .
2) Can OC to 3.8GHz if you had second boot running .
3) 3.4GHz and 3.8GHz mention are all Meta stable state .... No effect on priming or Sandra stressing .
4)3.95GHz is the Maximum possible OC with all stock Voltage .

The Question is :
Why the first boot is lousy with a COLORSit , ATRIX and CM PSU ?

The Possible answer by now so far :
1) PSU not stable (what about CM ?)
2) MoBo not good ( Stable in Priming but why not stable in booting ?)
3) Bios Cold Boot ( need heat up ?)
4) Ampere Not enough ( I see the CM550WSLI Power meter .. maximum ussage never touch 200W )
5)RAM not stable ( ah , swap many times liaw )

So far the CM550WSLI is just goyang kaki .... Flatuation like ATRIX , In CM550WSLI only have 12V rail at 11.91V rather than 11.60V in ATRIX ....

Power Meter in CM550WSLI .... like not moving la ... just goyang goyang a little because uses less than 200W ... most of the time 90W only .... Loading games and OS , about 140W max ..... funny .... A stable system cannot boot up ?

Ah .... Bankrupt already for PSU ....
2 COLORSit PSU RM60 each , 1 ATRIX PSU of RM180 and 1 CM550WSLI PSU of RM475 ....
With all the money , can buy a ATI x1600 Graphic card to OC lo .

Anyideas ? Looks like ATRIX is not so bad after all ...


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post Jul 8 2006, 10:36 AM

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hmm.. cold boot...
if it goes like this, no point to get a higher end psu..
im thinking its the mobo/bios now..
btw, whats the A rate for the CM's 12v rails ?
on heavy load, which rail fluctuate the most? 12v or 3.3v ?
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post Jul 8 2006, 10:39 AM

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QUOTE(e-jump @ Jul 8 2006, 10:36 AM)
hmm.. cold boot...
if it goes like this, no point to get a higher end psu..
im thinking its the mobo/bios now..
btw, whats the A rate for the CM's 12v rails ?
on heavy load, which rail fluctuate the most? 12v or 3.3v ?
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Actually the most flatuation is 1.33V ... The VCore ... as low as 1.26V and as high as 1.38V ..... Same result between ATRIX and CM .
12V and 3.3V not much flatuate but the 12V rail is higher abit in CM @11.91V
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hmm... vcore fluctuate most...
how hot is the power phase mosfets(its near where u plug in the 20/24pin latch] when on load? any heatsink on em?
cooling it of will help stabilize the fluctuation of either vcore or 12v [i forgot]
abang sniper got comment?
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post Jul 8 2006, 10:59 AM

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Ah .. those little mosfet with little heat sink .....
Overcrowded already cannot modify anymore ... May be next time need Bigger Mobo ...
Anyway CM550WSLI had too much wires .... no place to hide .
SATA , 2X PCIE , 6Pin MOBO 12V .... all those wires are useless in my PC by now , since no Power hungry PCIE and SATA .
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post Jul 8 2006, 11:03 AM

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Wahh.... u go for CM? rclxub.gif rclxub.gif doh.gif

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QUOTE(satanhead2003 @ Jul 8 2006, 11:03 AM)
Wahh.... u go for CM? rclxub.gif  rclxub.gif  doh.gif
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The only Best PSU i can get i Sungai Petani . No Acbel Here .....
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post Jul 8 2006, 11:11 AM

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Hehe.... I & bombman told u already, 500w - 600w is just a gimmick, marketing strategy. The actual load is only around 100w - 200w. Whereas, P4 ( presscot ) mostly 250w max. Not the wattage, the stability is the most important, dude. smile.gif. Ok, let say, u go for acbel n bouhgt frm bombman, he suggest 500w, izzit? which is rm375. Plus shipping, rm20 (max), its RM395. What u get? Stabil rails n Lifetime Warranty n first class support n so on....so on.... smile.gif

Just my 2 cent
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QUOTE(RIGmaster @ Jul 8 2006, 11:05 AM)
The only Best PSU i can get i Sungai Petani  . No Acbel Here .....
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telling u tat shops also provided postage service...
send to ur house instead of letting u walk n go to shop by urself.
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Never mind .. try one by one ... ha ha ...
If this is so ... my statement on Acbel Vs CM Vs ATRIX Vs ColorSit will be more credible .... whistling.gif

Wait till i upgrade my Mobo to GA 8I945P-G or 8N-SLI first ...

Ah , lots of PSU to sale now ...




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QUOTE(Westley @ Jul 8 2006, 11:26 AM)
telling u tat shops also provided postage service...
send to ur house instead of letting u walk n go to shop by urself.
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Ah ... I stay in Campus hostel .... imagine a 2KG Package go from one hand and the other hand ... and ... OOPS ...
Dont dare to imagine ....
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well, goodluck in the selling
at least u did few test on those psu's which is not that bad for a decent user

as for me, my enermax have a weak 3.3v compared to my CM realpower..
while both r secent on 12v rail n vcore feeds
however, im lucky my epox uses 5v rail to feed my rams wink.gif

in the end, a good psu with a decent mobo is also a no go in OC doh.gif

p/s: my enermax came thru postage to my college when im in utm, n its 2.3kg wink.gif

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post Jul 8 2006, 11:48 AM

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Ah , just find out the OC ASUS P5RD1-VM on all the related websites....

They only manage OC to 231MHz FSB ... Like Mine , 235MHz to be able to first boot . haha ...

I think is the ATI EXPRESS 200 Chipset limit ... LoL

Mine can go up to 250MHz FSB in condition if i press "restart" button to Boot .

So far 253MHz is the critical Limit ..... Unless futher Cooling or Volt Mod .

Am i right ?
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using an acbel and atrix psu here
oc-ed my celeron d to 3.5Ghz on IC7, using atrix psu....
vcore fluctuate more than the +12v and +5 v

reading for the atrix(using mbm5 updated every sec and have been running for 3 days +)
vcore: 1.42-1.54
vddr:2.77-2.88
+3.3: 3.23-3.55
+12: 11.86-12.16

having the same problem like urs... only sometime i am able to boot on 1st time, usually need to boot 2nd time...


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QUOTE(RIGmaster @ Jul 8 2006, 11:28 AM)
Never mind .. try one by one ... ha ha ...
If this is so ... my statement on Acbel Vs CM Vs ATRIX Vs ColorSit will be more credible .... whistling.gif

Wait till i upgrade my Mobo to GA 8I945P-G or 8N-SLI first ...

Ah , lots of PSU to sale now ...
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Hey rigmasta, i'll buy one of ur psu. how much for the ATTRIX? Gonna powered up my pelts soon. wink.gif
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QUOTE(satanhead2003 @ Jul 8 2006, 05:32 PM)
Hey rigmasta, i'll buy one of ur psu. how much for the ATTRIX? Gonna powered up my pelts soon. wink.gif
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Evil plans ....... Since you want my ATRIX so much ... i sell you la ...

Those Pelts are really very very Power Hungry .... Once i saw about 250W per inch .... OUCH !!

Anyway , i will be away from LYN for my final exam @ August .... and come back @ September .... Kinda inform you all ..... if you want to disucuss , keep on ,, make this thread life !!! Keep on the OC spirit !!! The PSU WAR is still on ...

Anyway , untill now the OC problem on boot up still haven't solve yet , wait till i come back and i will add more info on that ..

Thanks LYN biggrin.gif

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