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 [WTA] Overclockability drop with new PSU ?, War between my RM60, RM180 and RM475 PSU

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post Jun 30 2006, 01:49 PM

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i'm using Acbel now...
no problem for going high htt, ram freq...
worst branded psu,tt.
it does not help in oc...

good psu not cheap...

powerlogic is a unfamous name, carry by leapfrog...
and, all the time i tell them, powerlogic, is bad...
but they keep telling me rail stable... XD
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post Jun 30 2006, 05:08 PM

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QUOTE(Westley @ Jun 30 2006, 01:49 PM)
i'm using Acbel now...
no problem for going high htt, ram freq...
worst branded psu,tt.
it does not help in oc...

good psu not cheap...

powerlogic is a unfamous name, carry by leapfrog...
and, all the time i tell them, powerlogic, is bad...
but they keep telling me rail stable... XD
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Branding mar..just like the TT fiasco last time. U'll be surprised how many ppl think TT and CM are some big time US brands.
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post Jun 30 2006, 06:31 PM

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QUOTE(sniper on the roof @ Jun 30 2006, 05:08 PM)
Branding mar..just like the TT fiasco last time. U'll be surprised how many ppl think TT and CM are some big time US brands.
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ehrmmmm ... Powerlogic is lousy ..... Ah the only choice to get is really CoolerMaster 550W SLI .... If no , need to import Acbel from somewhere .... Why good PSU is not sale in normal shop and very very hard to find anyway ?

The shop don't Dare to import good PSU ka ... Funny la ...

Once i tell one shop to import some CM 450W real power and i may buy .... Then after one week , i go to the same place , they said 5 Sold already ... No stock , need order .... Argh ... waste my taxi fare RM20 ....

They say they don't dare to import much ... (why ? Not good business ? 5 Coolermaster PSU in one week ... each >RM200 .... ) what a lousy reason ...

But all the Cap Ayam/itik/keretaapi PSU Banyak banyak sampai store penuh .... Some already last year stock ..... Confuse with the Shop here la ....

Anyway , Any expert know how to Really Check a PSU power ? I may want to load my PSU and see the power rating ... One way i try is trying to light up a 12Volt Halogen ... All my old <400Watt Chiplak PSU cannot Light it on ... Just few above 400W ones can .... I dont dare to try in my new PSU .... (or should i try a better method ?)

Just want to OC my Computer to 4GHz ... Haha ... Should i take the risk ?
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QUOTE(RIGmaster @ Jun 30 2006, 06:31 PM)
ehrmmmm ... Powerlogic is lousy ..... Ah the only choice to get is really CoolerMaster 550W SLI .... If no , need to import Acbel from somewhere .... Why good PSU is not sale in normal shop and very very hard to find  anyway ?
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If u keen to get acbel,u can ask bombman frm bulk section. If CM or other brand, just ask mr moderno. Of coz, u got to pay for shipping, but trust me, both them are reliable and trustable. smile.gif
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post Jun 30 2006, 06:55 PM

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local shop also got acbel selling...if u r interested.
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post Jul 1 2006, 09:11 AM

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Im using CM Real Power 450W ALCX and it work flawlessly. Until recently it struggle to supply enough power fo my overclocked CPU and new X1800GTO. The cheapest solution is use cap tikus PSU 350W just to power my X1800GTO but still it isnt enough for my X1800GTO.

The reason why your overclock drop is because of lousy PSU, you called that a good PSU? If you realiy want a reliable overclock buy something more expensive and better like Enermax, OCZ, PC Power & Cooling and Antec. Those are high quality and reliable PSU maker. I'll buy Enermax FMA 535W PSU if my budget allows. If LYP sold PC Power & Cooling PSU I'll buy one even though it super expensive. Remember that cheap thing no good and good thing not cheap

I believe in your system a CM Real Power 450W is enough, but if you can afford the 550W SLI is even better.
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post Jul 1 2006, 09:39 AM

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QUOTE(Najmods @ Jul 1 2006, 09:11 AM)
Im using CM Real Power 450W ALCX and it work flawlessly. Until recently it struggle to supply enough power fo my overclocked CPU and new X1800GTO. The cheapest solution is use cap tikus PSU 350W just to power my X1800GTO but still it isnt enough for my X1800GTO.

The reason why your overclock drop is because of lousy PSU, you called that a good PSU? If you realiy want a reliable overclock buy something more expensive and better like Enermax, OCZ, PC Power & Cooling and Antec. Those are high quality and reliable PSU maker. I'll buy Enermax FMA 535W PSU if my budget allows. If LYP sold PC Power & Cooling PSU I'll buy one even though it super expensive. Remember that cheap thing no good and good thing not cheap

I believe in your system a CM Real Power 450W is enough, but if you can afford the 550W SLI is even better.
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post Jul 1 2006, 01:14 PM

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Yep, but I rather spending more to get a better quality PSU then settle for less expensive model so I dont have to bother to buying another one. I dont understand some people settle for something cheap say that it performs similarly, but the truth is it isnt. The price diffrence reflects its capabilities and reliability. Im a student and I dont mind saving to buy new PSU, my pocket money is RM70-RM170 a week and I save RM50-RM100 a week. RM20-RM70 to eat and everything else, no PTPTN whatsoever
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post Jul 1 2006, 08:38 PM

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QUOTE(Amedion @ Jun 29 2006, 03:24 PM)
Ok.. the box written Powerlogic is a trademark of SonicGear.. laugh.gif

Actually got heard lots of branded psu.. Acbel , coolermaster, etc..
Too expensive for me.. i just OC extra 200mhz oni.. tot the powerlogic is enuff.. haiz.. not hardcore OC'er like 500mhz ~ 1Ghz gap..
haiz.. mana tau 200mhz also cannot.. now extra 80mhz oni.. doing 2.88ghz..  laugh.gif  doh.gif
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lol i thought that powerlogic is the same as gtr brand from hk...

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post Jul 2 2006, 10:19 AM

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Argh ... just disable all the possible 12V fans (5 casing fans - 1 CoolerMaster 12cm ,2 Thermaltake , 1 12cm industrial grade exhaust fan , 1 VGA Fan ) , but the result still the same ... I think my Boot up problem come from Other rails ... not the 12V rails .

Anyway , anyone can explain which Rail is the most important in Overclocking ? +3.3V , +5V , +12V , -12V , -5V ?

I check across the Cooler master PSU series .... @ CM website

The Continious Power Ratings ....
CM 430W Extreme Power (+3.3V@28A , +5V@30A , +12V1@14A ,12V2@15A, -12V@0.8A , +5VSB@2.0A)

CM Igreen 430W (+3.3V@20A , +5V@15A , +12V1@14A, +12V2@13A , -12V@0.5A , +5VSB@3.0A )

CM 550W SLI real Power (+3.3V20A , +5V@25A , +12V1@12A ,+12V2@12A , +12V3@6A , -12V@1A , +5VSB@2.0A )


The ratings on the 3.3V and 5V getting lower and lower ? Which should i buy then ? Is CM 550W SLI cheating ?

Confusing .... which rail is important .. Not the Overall Watts ...

Thats why i need to know which is best for my P4 630 with x1300 Graphic ....

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Fortron, PC & Cooling (whatever) or Seasonic.
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post Jul 2 2006, 11:11 AM

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Colorsit? Atrix?

both sounded like cap ayam to me....
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wAit, thread starter...
btw, im curious here, hav u done ur stability test after u oc ur entire pc?
includin all ur o/cin results - 3.3/3.5/3.8 ghz?
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post Jul 2 2006, 03:45 PM

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ACBEL LCD 500W ( 3.3v@26A 5v@28A 12V1@18A 12v2@21A 12v3@15A -12v@0.8A -5v@2A )

Moreover, stable rails.Very little flux during prime and superpi (+-0.03 is the max).
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post Jul 2 2006, 04:26 PM

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thread starter.. purchase here > http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopic=308634
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post Jul 2 2006, 07:17 PM

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basically, the procs, hardisk n few devices use 12v rail
rams usually use 3.3v rails [epox uses 5v rail]
as for high end gc, it uses 12v rail too

for single rail psu's, try looking for ones with 12v rail w/ 24+Ampere
for multirails, at least 18A on any 12v rail
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post Jul 3 2006, 12:09 AM

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QUOTE(Amedion @ Jun 30 2006, 10:45 AM)
Oh.. Atrix quite heavy also.. Not judging by that lar..  laugh.gif  laugh.gif  laugh.gif
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ya la i mean noob. cause normally good psu have bigger capacitors and larger and heavier components. not to mention bigger heat sinks inside. atrik heavy cause of the case? or the fan?.

CM uses the term real power. i heard from one of my friend who is using this kind of psu saying its not as good as true power psu.
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post Jul 3 2006, 01:07 AM

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here soem review
http://www.motherboards.org/articles/guides/1487_3.html
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post Jul 3 2006, 09:13 AM

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Ah stealing post from satanhead2003 Hope dont mind ..... whistling.gif
He he , interest in this Baby .....

QUOTE(satanhead2003 @ Jun 1 2006, 01:27 AM)
Just a mini review for the ACBEL 500w LCD.

Before SuperPI
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While SuperPI
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See any high different on the 12v 3.3v and 5v? No.... hhehe.... thats shows how powerful this baby are. smile.gif . Stable rails, no fluctuation on the vcore.... that mean only 1 thing.... MORE STABLE OC...  thumbup.gif  thumbup.gif

RATING : Really Recommended...
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Ah , Mine flatuate About 0.08V for 12v & 5V ... No wonder ATRIX become Cap Ayam/Itik/Keretapi/Tikus .... whatever cap la ..

Yesterday lagi worst , flatuation more than 5% ... really sweat sweat ... ehm ... is that bad .. ATRIX ? sweat.gif


QUOTE(satanhead2003 @ Jun 9 2006, 06:52 PM)
Bomb.... aku kasik pic sket...

Idle :
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full load :

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Only 118W on load ???? Can't believe it ...
What PC Spec you use oh ?
then my ATRIX 500w is "too Enough ?" or what .... Any ideas ....

IDLE ( 3.3v@4A 5v@5A 12V1@4A 12v2@0A 12v3@0A ) ???

On LOAD ( 3.3v@4A 5v@5A 12V1@4A 12v2@0A 12v3@0A ) ???

Like use nothing ... But why my 500W atrix cannot support .... Something really foundamentally wrong here ..... Unless Atrix is a 100W PSU with 500W casing ... Imposible ma... Where is the QC ? (Quality Check )


QUOTE(satanhead2003 @ Jun 4 2006, 06:55 PM)
Some updates :
{ MBM and SmartGuardian reading after calibration w/ DMM }

IDLE :
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FULL-LOAD :
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COMPARISON TABLE
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What else can i say....  biggrin.gif This one is better than my SilenX 600w single rail.
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Nice feature ... Asus PC probe cant do like this ... haha ... Is that include in the Acbel LCD Package ?


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basically, the procs, hardisk n few devices use 12v rail
rams usually use 3.3v rails [epox uses 5v rail]
as for high end gc, it uses 12v rail too

for single rail psu's, try looking for ones with 12v rail w/ 24+Ampere
for multirails, at least 18A on any 12v rail


High End Graphic ? I thought x1300 is a low end graphic ... haha , dont use that much , do they ?
One 80GB hard disk ... ehm not that much power needed ...
My P4 630 only use 110W estimated at full load .... Just the problem here ... Why not jam when fulll load to the max (whatever software , sissandra , prime , 3dmark ....)? and only have some Boot up problem ?
From the above Acbel Power Usage data .... ehm ....12V rail need 24++ Ampere ?i think 10A is enough ....
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post Jul 3 2006, 09:42 AM

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Well, my spec as in siggy.

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IDLE ( 3.3v@4A 5v@5A 12V1@4A 12v2@0A 12v3@0A ) ???

On LOAD ( 3.3v@4A 5v@5A 12V1@4A 12v2@0A 12v3@0A ) ???


It's actually not the value used. Its's percentage of Ampere used.

e.g.
12v1 = 4, meaning, 4% of 12v1 is used, which translate, 4 / 100 x 18A = 0.72A is used.

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