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 [WTA] Overclockability drop with new PSU ?, War between my RM60, RM180 and RM475 PSU

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post Jun 29 2006, 02:46 PM

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QUOTE(sniper on the roof @ Jun 29 2006, 02:33 PM)
I'm not insulting you. Don't think it as such please. Just trying to clarify things only.

I'm just curious how come there's a lot of forumers (even some supposedly senior ones) recently that claims Powerlogic as a good mid range psu and that it's better than Icute.

Is it because Powerlogic sounds more western compared to Icute?

I've been googling out of curiousity and couldn't find anything about it except that it's by a Singaporean disty Leapfrog and that it only appears in Malaysia, Singapore and Indonesia.

It can simply be some cheap-a$$ generic china sweatshop product stuck with a label.

Could anybody help clarify?

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Nah.. jz kidding only..
Senior members in LYN claiming powerlogic is mid-range psu.. dat's y i bought it.. doh.gif
I think Icute is better than powerlogic also.. As from feedbacks from users..
how bout coolermaster? sweat.gif
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QUOTE(sniper on the roof @ Jun 29 2006, 02:33 PM)
I'm not insulting you. Don't think it as such please. Just trying to clarify things only.

I'm just curious how come there's a lot of forumers (even some supposedly senior ones) recently that claims Powerlogic as a good mid range psu and that it's better than Icute.

Is it because Powerlogic sounds more western compared to Icute?

I've been googling out of curiousity and couldn't find anything about it except that it's by a Singaporean disty Leapfrog and that it only appears in Malaysia, Singapore and Indonesia.

It can simply be some cheap-a$$ generic china sweatshop product stuck with a label.

Could anybody help clarify?

Thanks.
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I have not done any research as of now & I am not claiming that I am an expert in the field. But I can't agree less with 'bro Sinper there. Powerlogic, iCute, AVR, etc. are NOT PSU's you want to be overclocking with. They are neither stable nor reliable (from past experiences). The quality of the components & make is just not up to par with those that are MADE for power. "cheap-a$$ generic china sweatshop product" would be a crude way of putting it laugh.gif

Unless the above brands are re-labeled versions of DELTA or AcBel PSU's, I don't think I'll be willing to put my precious hardware at risk. And I won't recommend you guys to do it as well. Simply because it's NOT WORTH IT.

If you guys are serious about overclocking, go for a good, reliable PSU. I'm running my rig on an ancient Enlight 420W. As stable as a rock, although the 12v-line only registers 11.97v. You can hardly see any fluctuations.

Having high voltages on your lines doesn't mean you have a good PSU. It just means your PSU has high voltage rails. Stability can NOT be determined like this.

Well, that's my 2-cent's worth. Sifoos, please correct me if I'm wrong biggrin.gif
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post Jun 29 2006, 02:55 PM

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the weird thing is.. Why some cap ayam PSU can performs better than those claimed to be mid-range psu powerlogic or icute, in term of OC?

like i said earlier in my post.. how come my cap ayam 220w dunno is true or wat power can OC till 3.06 n play games while the powerlogic which is 80w higher with 300w TRUE/ PURE power cannot... once start 3d.. pc restarts.. which means the senior members are telling lies? powerlogic is CAP ITIK? laugh.gif

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post Jun 29 2006, 02:59 PM

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QUOTE(sniper on the roof @ Jun 29 2006, 12:49 PM)
Seriously, who the heck is powerlogic anyway? Mid-range psu? Brand?

Haven't heard of them anywhere except Malaysia, Singapore and Indonesia. Google also can't find anything useful
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its a rebranded oem brand from somewhere near you, snipe. don't know who produces them, but it seems it most likely taiwan made.
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post Jun 29 2006, 02:59 PM

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Maybe spike fluactuations? Just giving a guess... I ain't any expert myself, just wanna get into the discussion and learn more.
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post Jun 29 2006, 02:59 PM

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RIGmaster, Dude...

READ THIS:

-->PSU Brands to Avoid!
-->Game Freeze

Sorry if it's TOO shocking for you... just had to bring you to the real world tongue.gif

Better spend a little extra on 1 GOOD PSU than throwing cash on many *ahem* PSU's biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(Amedion @ Jun 29 2006, 02:55 PM)
the weird thing is.. Why some cap ayam PSU can performs better than those claimed to be mid-range psu powerlogic or icute,  in term of OC?

like i said earlier in my post.. how come my cap ayam 220w dunno is true or wat power can OC till 3.06 n play games while the powerlogic which is 80w higher with 300w TRUE/ PURE power cannot... once start 3d.. pc restarts.. which means the senior members are telling lies? powerlogic is CAP ITIK?  laugh.gif
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On senior member here:
- there's those who might be teenage noobies spending his ample free time reading post ,repeating them to collect postcounts while surfing friendster trying to buaya someone
- there could be those who knows what they're talking about but hardly post.

On O/C:
- Frankly, I have no freakin idea but that's the thing with o/c...it's such a mystery. Hahahaha. Seriously, my old barton and my current winchester does seem to lose its overclockability over time. Conclusion --> I dunno tongue.gif

On quality:
- High quality component: They ship millions and have a single digit failure rates. It'll suck if you bought one unit that fell into this failure rate. They're more expensive.

- On Ayam quality component: They ship thousands of units and have double digit failure rates. You'll untung bersih if you bought a unit that DIDN'T fall into this failure rate. They're cheaper


QUOTE(kev da man @ Jun 29 2006, 02:59 PM)
its a rebranded oem brand from somewhere near you, snipe. don't know who produces them, but it seems it most likely taiwan made.
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Wow..noob eater also here. I know lar.. I checked with the folks down south di.

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post Jun 29 2006, 03:24 PM

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Ok.. the box written Powerlogic is a trademark of SonicGear.. laugh.gif

Actually got heard lots of branded psu.. Acbel , coolermaster, etc..
Too expensive for me.. i just OC extra 200mhz oni.. tot the powerlogic is enuff.. haiz.. not hardcore OC'er like 500mhz ~ 1Ghz gap..
haiz.. mana tau 200mhz also cannot.. now extra 80mhz oni.. doing 2.88ghz.. laugh.gif doh.gif

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post Jun 29 2006, 03:38 PM

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well, a protip in getting psu's
1. get the ones with wattage suitable to ur rig. the more W the better. for future device add in
2. at least got few reviews on particular psu, n user feedbacks
3. high Ampere on each rail, esp 12v rail [where proc n devices suck power most]
4. ..
5. profit

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post Jun 29 2006, 04:41 PM

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QUOTE(e-jump @ Jun 29 2006, 03:38 PM)
well, a protip in getting psu's
1. get the ones with wattage suitable to ur rig. the more W the better. for future device add in
2. at least got few reviews on particular psu, n user feedbacks
3. high Ampere on each rail, esp 12v rail [where proc n devices suck power most]
4. ..
5. profit

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Well, many seniors also using the PowerLogic products and claim its good for its value.. Mana tahu is CAP ITIK value.. doh.gif doh.gif doh.gif
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QUOTE(Amedion @ Jun 29 2006, 04:41 PM)
Well, many seniors also using the PowerLogic products and claim its good for its value.. Mana tahu is CAP ITIK value..  doh.gif  doh.gif  doh.gif
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I've said this many times before already... everything cost money wan.

Situation 1:

a) 500W psu --> $200
b) 500W psu --> $400 but proven to rock

Obviously the $200 one is not really up to job despite what the box says and how many real power, truepower bullsh1t it's got on its labels.

Alternatively... Situation 2:

a) PSU with proven track record cost --> $300
b) PSU with LED bling bling, sleeving, show off name * --> $280

= Psu B have to save cost from somewhere. In this industry, even 10cent also can kira until die wan so if there's a price gap....especially if its big. There's usually a reason why.




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post Jun 29 2006, 05:23 PM

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Wah ... Nuclear Boom , H- Bomb ..... So many post after i left for 3 hours ...
Thanks for all the info ..... But still the war is there .... Who should i thrust than ....

Ask everyone to buy Acbel , Enermax , Cooler master ..... Not everwhere got sale .. ... Even the shop sale PD Computer set only use 380watt PSU .... should we blame then for sale Good Computer with Low rating ....

Getting Expansive PSU is the answer ? How expansive is consider Expansive ... still the question ... My RM180 PSU still not expansive enough to make the produce a better PSU ..... How much a Switch Mosfet cost ? Increase wattage up to a certain level , the price do not vary much .... 20A Mosfet may only cost RM 20 or low , i can get RM5 if i buy more than a certain number from my dealer ... the whole electronic cost only a little .... Just where the Money Goes ? Cheap RM40 PSU that claim for 450Watt can be forgiven ... But RM180 PSU ....????


I quote From http://www.dfi-street.com/forum/showthread.php?t=29248
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Some of these PSU's are dangerous to your system, some are just sub-standard,
however NONE can be recommended, for high performance or over-clocked systems.

Achieve
Aerocool
Allied
Apex
Aspire > Dangerous! They don't even pretend to meet the ATX/AMD/Intel specs!
Austin
Codegen
Colorsit
Coolmax
Demon
Deer
Duro
Dynapower
Eagle
EagleTech
Foxconn
Foxlink
InWin (except FSP models)
JustPC
Kingwin
L&C
Logic
Linkworld
MGE
Mustang
Power-Man (except FSP models)
Powmax
Power-Up
Powerstar
q-tec
Raidmax (except Topower/Tagan models, not sold with cases)
Robanton
Rosewill
Thermaltake (except the Thermaltake W0057 PurePower 500W)
Turbo
Turbolink
Ultra (except X-Finity)

Some of these PSU's are dangerous to your system, some are just sub-standard,
however NONE can be recommended, for high performance or over-clocked systems.


Most of them never heard before ....
But still ATRX or PowerLogic or SonicGear is not in the list , and not people review it anyway ... So are they Chap ITIK ? a grade lower than Chap Ayam ones .......


QUOTE(e-jump @ Jun 29 2006, 03:38 PM)
well, a protip in getting psu's
1. get the ones with wattage suitable to ur rig. the more W the better. for future device add in
2. at least got few reviews on particular psu, n user feedbacks
3. high Ampere on each rail, esp 12v rail [where proc n devices suck power most]
4. ..
5. profit

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Ehm, 500w PSU , even if it is Its MAX POWER RATINGS , The worst PSU would diliver at least 60% of their Power , that is approximately 300W , But what we talking is the Real Power series of Powerlogic ... (Which they claim to be max out at 1Kw for 60seconds in Maximum possible ussage for my series) .... Do not seems logic at all ...

If a PSU is in low power and high Ampere Demand , The Voltage will Surge Down , By Logic , the switching power supply will try to recorver by increase Frequency of "switch" to stable the current .... The time that The controller circuit responds is the flactuation you get ... when you load the computer suddenly and see the voltage Going Down and Up ...

Since My Processor Only 90watt ... Plus other component ... ehrm ... x1300 still not making up the full use of 500w ... i think by calculation , only 380W at the Max ...



Anyway . I had off all the Powersaving Feature of the Processor , Includes TM1 , Speed step , Enhance C1 control ... and the outcome is even better .... More Current Drawn but better outcome . Better than before i disable it ...
Off all the feature will increase the ussage of Wattage from 90W to 120W for my P4 and become extremely hot .....

(For your information , i had read some article that if your PSU is Overpowered , and Use <50% of its Continious Power Rating , The efficientcy of PSU will be very Low , and i think this is my problem , because i use much less than 50% of its power capability , the whole thing is unstable .... I think this is the Disadvantages of Switching Power Supply . Thats why the better Wattage PSU i change , the worse it become . Any advice on this please .)

The Condition is better than before , Just still there is a problem , why it can't Boot at First Boot , but can Boot only when restart button being pressed ....

I had a good reply i read just now .. He claim that My Computer may had a cold Boot issue ... Just curious , does PSU really affect Booting ? But why not when i am Gaming ? or converting Movie ... Or PRIME test .... Or even Memtest , 3DMark , Sandra ....
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I had a good reply i read just now .. He claim that My Computer may had a cold Boot issue ... Just curious , does PSU really affect Booting ? But why not when i am Gaming ? or converting Movie ... Or PRIME test .... Or even Memtest , 3DMark , Sandra ....
usually cold boot issues r caused by the bios/mobo itself, as the psu only supply power, n trip it when sudden surge[protect], nothing else.
and the psu circuitry have nothing to do/connect to the mobo.
any bios update on ur particular mobo? or try reverting to older one n test
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QUOTE(sniper on the roof @ Jun 29 2006, 03:07 PM)
On senior member here:
- there's those who might be teenage noobies spending his ample free time reading post ,repeating them to collect postcounts while surfing friendster trying to buaya someone
- there could be those who knows what they're talking about but hardly post.

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Ehm why this comes in ?
... what's the Point Collecting Post Count ? even i have 1 billion post count , i still can't buy a Conroe Processor with it . But i have spend all the time which includes all the Stremyx cost and Electricity , which can be equal to the future Conroe price ...

Anyway , just stick to the Discussion ... No Buaya please , Just PC and PSU ....

e-Jump ...
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usually cold boot issues r caused by the bios/mobo itself, as the psu only supply power, n trip it when sudden surge[protect], nothing else.
and the psu circuitry have nothing to do/connect to the mobo.
any bios update on ur particular mobo? or try reverting to older one n test


Thats why i really want to ask all the experts here before i buy the really expensive cooler master 550W SLI ( argh ... the shop here dont give things in between ... either the worst PSU or the Best PSU ) and the ARTRIX is the 2nd best i can get so far .... here .

Anyway , i had update the Bios to the new ones but it is still the same with the old ones .. I saw the discription on Bios fix is just to fix some Graphic thinggy , nothing mention about the Power Supply ...

Anyway , i still confuse here ... Ya very confuse ... Now i am in a delima now ... Weather i should buy a x1800 Graphic or split have to buy x1600PRO + CM 550w SLI ....
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i used to love powerlogic. cause the name sounds so professional. not to mention they offer the cheapest bang for bucks psu. but once i got hold of one. disaster struck. lost one HD due to power problems. this really causes a set back. more over when i asked opinions from my friends, they say Sonic Gear is good in making marketing strategy. professional names and professional packing will really caught the customer's eye. their statement on where pure power and max power will confuse most consumer into thinking the ability of the psu can be maxed out on such a low price. In short i fell for their trap.

based on experience, i personally think i-cute can do better than power logic. My MEC 300w is now officially on my friend's p4 and it's still running till today.

now i think the best way to know a good psu is to judge by its weigh if you're too noob to judge PSU. good psu are ultra heavy
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QUOTE(RIGmaster @ Jun 29 2006, 06:10 PM)
Ehm why this comes in ?
... what's the Point Collecting Post Count ? even i have 1 billion post count , i still can't buy a Conroe Processor with it . But i have spend all the time which includes all the Stremyx cost and Electricity , which can be equal to the future Conroe price ...

Anyway , just stick to the Discussion ... No Buaya please , Just PC and PSU ....
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Read it in context.
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post Jun 30 2006, 10:45 AM

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QUOTE(Vervain @ Jun 29 2006, 06:27 PM)
i used to love powerlogic. cause the name sounds so professional. not to mention they offer the cheapest bang for bucks psu. but once i got hold of one. disaster struck. lost one HD due to power problems. this really causes a set back. more over when i asked opinions from my friends, they say Sonic Gear is good in making marketing strategy. professional names and professional packing will really caught the customer's eye. their statement on where pure power and max power will confuse most consumer into thinking the ability of the psu can be maxed out on such a low price. In short i fell for their trap.

based on experience, i personally think i-cute can do better than power logic. My MEC 300w is now officially on my friend's p4 and it's still running till today.

now i think the best way to know a good psu is to judge by its weigh if you're too noob to judge PSU. good psu are ultra heavy
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Oh.. Atrix quite heavy also.. Not judging by that lar.. laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif
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for ur info i've tried using CM.. yes CM...
to be precise.. CM ACLX 450W.. cannot powerup my system.. weird eh?
even using 400W chap keretapi berapi is no sweat..
is it becoz of the dual rail?
haih.. these days buying PSU also base on luck..
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QUOTE(8tvt @ Jun 30 2006, 11:40 AM)
for ur info i've tried using CM.. yes CM...
to be precise.. CM ACLX 450W.. cannot powerup my system.. weird eh?
even using 400W chap keretapi berapi is no sweat..
is it becoz of the dual rail?
haih.. these days buying PSU also base on luck..
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What the hell is cap keretapi berapi? laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif
Yeah.. really depends on luck.. It whether u get cap BAGUs or Cap ayam/itik/keretapi berapi.. doh.gif
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QUOTE(8tvt @ Jun 30 2006, 11:40 AM)
for ur info i've tried using CM.. yes CM...
to be precise.. CM ACLX 450W.. cannot powerup my system.. weird eh?
even using 400W chap keretapi berapi is no sweat..
is it becoz of the dual rail?
haih.. these days buying PSU also base on luck..
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NF4 memang picky on psu mar...

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