probably not gona ignore him~~ but he does ask the same repeat questions everywhere~~ i will probably ignore the repeated ones~

im not telling you to get it, im just saying its imo the 'best' of the lot.... not a very fair competition given that you are comparing cars of completely different segments AND completely different price ranges.

unless you want to consider the accordana, my opinion still stands~

edit:
iirc, you mentioned you were from brunei or something.... if other brands are priced similarly (have got no idea how cars are priced there) i dont understand why one would even consider a proton

This post has been edited by lsm1991: Jun 14 2016, 11:56 AM

yes, has all that on the stuff on the top spec model..... and technically not really exp, remember d-segment.... dont bulk all cars into the same category a 3/5 series does not cost the same as an S class, dif segment

i notice a few things, you sometimes say its expensive and stuff, so best car would be the axia, why cause its cheap and moves forward but sometimes completely bulk everything together, ignore pricings /segments so in this case, best car would be one of those multimilion dollar volvo's/ s classes/ godknows what other sensor loaded moving computer there is cause.... well car drives you


This post has been edited by lsm1991: Jun 14 2016, 12:30 PM

5/7, perfect argument by all means continue your good work

Facelift and pre-facelift models look very different.... Best you just google that and see 1st hand.... Some say that the prefacelift models look horrible and the facelift ones look sharper...
The main dif between the two is that the facelift models have an extra transmission cooler installed from factory, other than that, mechanically I'm pretty sure they are basically the same... It does not mean that the facelifted models will be 100% problem free, it just means that the chances of it failing are reduced.... Some prefacelift owners did install a transmission cooler by themselves (zth forums has a thread all about that)

1)I don't think so.... I don't even think most dealerships even allow you to bring the car away to an sc (not sure, maybe more mahal cars are an exception)
2) can't really tell unless it overheats while testing, whines a lot, jerks abnormally or pumps out error codes
3) no idea

best value given that, the car has already depreciated alot more.... a vios of the same age would have depreciated less leaving you less money in hand.... for a short term user, the best car would be the car that i) depreciates the least during your ownership, ii) wont cost you much issues during that time, and iii) poses the least risk (tax, insurance, accidents, theft, other random money consuming things and whatnot)

haha this is actually very true..... assuming he is tilling to ride around in what ppl consider to be a cheapo car
some just dont wana touch it..... reliable as it ca get this one, cheap to repair too... you also cant lose much when you sell it off... the only issues with it is its status.... and its safety features....

i like heuristics.... you can actually come up with a mathematical formula to heuristically calculate the best car for yourself hehehe thats what i did. But be warned.... each person distributes points very differently so one mans formula will not apply to another person and this formula will change over time due to forgotten attributes/weights or a change in lifestyle.

lol.... ini mesti mau shorty car....

maivee
iris
jazz~

pro...
proven tech, been around for quite a while, reliable, pretty decent fc, okish performance, decent built quality (soso)

con...
imo abit exp? not really loaded with goodies for the price you pay, safety features also abit meh, looks pretyish?


other cars include... pikanto (me no like)

=_= true.....

till this video, never seen this in my life...

1992 ehh 1 yr younger than me hehe... the fiesta is a very nice car actually, fun to drive and actually nice and snug on the inside

its a car known to have some issues..... one cannot claim that all will face the issue, but most do have an issue with the gearbox....
well, if you do not face them it might come. if you dont ever face the issues, you will still need to change that clutch pack sooner or later cause its a wear and tear item, one way or another you will still need to pay for that clutchpack, there is no escaping paying for that clutchpack.... am speaking about the autos, no knowledge whatsoever about the manuals with the 1.4l engine

the fiesta may give you issues, but one thing is for certain, its not a cheap car to maintain (uncle has one, he likes it but, does admit, can be expensive to run).
If you are willing to spend that much on the car, mazda 2 is a generally ok car, no major issues (afaik)
I have a feeling that you are leaning towards the sportier cars, why not a neo, interior quality is poor(no offence owners) but parts easy, maintenance easy, large support locally (means you can get some help easily too) hehehe, wait for zenix to comment haha he might have some other suggestions....

haha cikgu rupanya, want to emmit the young fun sporting teacher outlook ehh ? actually neo with even the original r3/cps kits look pretty good....... swift is nice but, i dont like their resale values, iirc, they are quite exp for what they are....

side note, zenix really loves latios he really likes em (actually xtaulah if he likes them or likes recommending them due to their value)

lol you and nasbbq1992, you guys have chosen the same type of car, cheap to buy, potentially a bomb to maintain.

dont believe everything you read, unless you see it for yourself and you can confirm its new, if its a car in a shop, i would doubt them even further....

1. Ford has the 3 year / 100k warranty, so for 2012 means the vehicle has been serviced regularly till 2015/2016.
- maybe, maybe not... that gearbox is something that can randomly fail.... check how much the clutchpack costs before you get all hyped up, that probably has not been changed yet
2. Found the UK owner manual online, seems the major service is at 100k-120k km. Not sure if it's the same for M'sia version but I probably won't keep it that long.
- things do go bad even before those mileages are hit, dont expect everything to go as planned
3. Safety and spec wise better than any local car I can get at RM50k
- no.... stuff like the iris, preve probably have as much toys... at the cost of wearing the harimau badge

honestly its not that easy to tell..... an sc wont really be able to tell you much more unless it was serviced with them in the first place.... the older the car the less easy it is to tell if its been tampered with..... the best tell tale is always service records.... meticulous service records are the most reliable way to tell if the milage seems legit, 2nd would be inspecting the car itself pedals, steering these 2 are relatively easy to change at a kedai potong true BUT most dont change stuff like the seats, seatbelts, basically stuff you touch.....

agreed, i would just walk away at that point

contact the shop ask ask and always ask, sometimes they wrongly use the pics (means, one of the cars pics might have been accidentally uploaded wrongly), sometimes they are ar$$h@les who keep reusing the same pic then later say, ohh thats sold, we have another one (even after you already asked if it was available), pics just an example, and sometimes 2 different sales men, with dif prices (god knows why, but this has happened b4, note that the cheaper advertised price does not necessarily end up the cheaper otr price)

personal opinion, the value of 2nd hand cars isnt fixed, really depends on, condition, how desperate owner is, and lastly how much the buyer/seller wants to let it go/take it for

no.... they need not speed up things... they should, but well~