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post Feb 19 2014, 04:57 PM

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QUOTE(jagjag @ Feb 19 2014, 04:53 PM)
waste 1 hour of electricity lor..hahaha....
one of the option that i can hav a try..no harm as i mentioned early..thks
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Waste 1 hour and rather than you waste from start sleep til wake up and set for 20-22C over there's has been cost you more than Rm100++

If you can see or notice about your TNB meter set from 22C bilking faster vs 25C bilking slightly slower than try to use more but pay lesser.

He he I knew I'm enjoy my comfort air wow.



This post has been edited by kimsim: Feb 19 2014, 05:27 PM
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post Feb 19 2014, 05:18 PM

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QUOTE(jagjag @ Feb 19 2014, 04:24 PM)
I a bit confused by u...ur supersound sound  hmm.gif  to me....but for the last few days i on a/c during sleep and every morning when i wake up i feel very dry in my throat....but not this morning. So i feel the different not just think of it. And i hope its really because the help of this humidifier...
But u seem like never give a pinch of approval on the machine...
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Set the temperature higher at 23-25c and let it cut out 3-4 hours, keep the fan on. With this way, your rm3++ on that machine consider wasted.
My office air cond set at 19c as to protect PCs, the humidity are quite low. So I have to drink 5-8l of water and wee wee every 1 hour, this is to keep my self "Wet".
Also, we shall sweat during sleep, this is to keep healthy. With our "healthy" life style, in average, 30% of our salary are dumped to doctors.
Back to simple life is still the way.

QUOTE(jagjag @ Feb 19 2014, 04:53 PM)
waste 1 hour of electricity lor..hahaha....
one of the option that i can hav a try..no harm as i mentioned early..thks
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Well, I on it 2 hours earlier.
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post Feb 20 2014, 12:42 AM

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QUOTE(supersound @ Feb 19 2014, 04:09 PM)
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what do you mean? the housing size is not related to the cooling capacity. you have a blower for ventilation dont you? you just apply physics or why do you think outdoor compressor size has shrunk over the years? magic?
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QUOTE(kimsim @ Feb 19 2014, 04:11 PM)
If too much compacted fins gap also not really well to exhaust out heat from fan motor always blow out too much heating air.. To be spoil green envoplment.

Slightly dirty air from strong wind over and stucked on fins to be blocked all fins surface that why many ppls keep complaining won't be cold like new.. Lol
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sorry but i dont agree. you expel the hot air with the fan. you can compact as much as you like given there is airflow - it will not make a difference.

the dirt argument is the same for any given compressor box. small or big wont matter.
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QUOTE(siauann @ Feb 19 2014, 04:50 PM)
consider big ka?  blush.gif  its a terrace intermediate house.

air cond contractor recommend me 2.5hp for living and 2.0hp for master room which i think is a bit over power. coz after add in wardrobe in the master room the area will be small already. same goes to living room
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adding furniture doesnt reduce the a/c needs. it complicated it.

if you want to size an aicron you need to know how many windows (size, insulated, tinted, double glazed, draft), thickness of the walls, ceiling type, ceiling insulation, airflow on top of the room,temp on top of ceiling etc. - there is no general answer. some rooms might need 2.5 while another can use 1.5 or even less. the better you prevent draft and incoming heat the less a/c you need. a properly insulated room can work great with 1 HP while a "normal" room (malaysian standard) would need 2.5 HP. it's just that most of our rooms are designed against a/c to begin with. that included todays high-end condos btw. spend money on making the room a/c friendly and then use the a/c.

comparison number: my house 24/7 a/c to control humidity at 60% (=approcx 26°c) = cost to a/c 1 sqm = 2.30 RM (with the new increased tarif and maximum charge). my friends place (high.end condo in bangsar) cost to a/c just 12 hours per day: 10 RM / sqm. difference: 8x roughly - just because of better windows, no draft, insulation etc. i hope you can understand the difference.
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QUOTE(PJusa @ Feb 20 2014, 12:45 AM)
sorry but i dont agree. you expel the hot air with the fan. you can compact as much as you like given there is airflow - it will not make a difference.

the dirt argument is the same for any given compressor box. small or big wont matter.
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That is my personal reference.

Smaller design was good for high rise housing, bigger design was due to too much cost already.
For me if I can choose still go for bigger one.
Ha ha wait another 5 yrs times in future 2hp outdoor size used for 1-1.5hp compact size already.
For Panasonic never surprise they early in malaysia specs has been used 1hp deluxe model outdoor size like York/daikin current 1-1.5hp inverter outdoor size for Panasonic 2hp non/inverter unit now.

If you not sure then try to install both in your 2 room as different brand and bigger outdoor and smaller outdoor size for other room.

Smaller outdoor size really can take it quicky cold down, I will believe you as latest technology for cutting edge.

This method I had used in 3 yrs back...
Finally I was found that really not suit to me within a year for replaced into bigger size one.

Anywhere money is your, you can choose big or small as your choice only..

In before all the deluxe specs vs standard specs outdoor size really made a different and nowadays all same, but malaysia weather didn't change to 4 season lol.

Sometime for real life and imaging is diff kind.. smile.gif)

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post Feb 20 2014, 08:55 AM

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QUOTE(kimsim @ Feb 19 2014, 04:57 PM)
Waste 1 hour and rather than you waste from start sleep til wake up and set for 20-22C over there's has been cost you more than Rm100++

If you can see or notice about your TNB meter set from 22C bilking faster vs 25C bilking slightly slower than try to use more but pay lesser.

He he I knew I'm enjoy my comfort air wow.
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Haha..my elec bill never exceed 100 all the while..for the past 2 month in my new place oso same...anyhow i will try those method suggest by u...
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QUOTE(jagjag @ Feb 20 2014, 08:55 AM)
Haha..my elec bill never exceed 100 all the while..for the past 2 month in my new place oso same...anyhow i will try those method suggest by u...
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Ha ha I though u did yesterday night already...lol
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QUOTE(kimsim @ Feb 20 2014, 09:02 AM)
Ha ha I though u did yesterday night already...lol
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Yday i hav a dinner wit all my family in my hse..so bz bz ..by the time settle everything olede time to sleep...so no chance to try out the 'on for 1 hour experiment'... biggrin.gif ...
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QUOTE(jagjag @ Feb 20 2014, 09:19 AM)
Yday i hav a dinner wit all my family in my hse..so bz bz ..by the time settle everything olede time to sleep...so no chance to try out the 'on for 1 hour experiment'... biggrin.gif ...
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That's ok... Looks like your bill really crazy save oh. notworthy.gif
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post Feb 20 2014, 10:42 AM

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QUOTE(PJusa @ Feb 20 2014, 12:42 AM)
what do you mean? the housing size is not related to the cooling capacity. you have a blower for ventilation dont you? you just apply physics or why do you think outdoor compressor size has shrunk over the years? magic?
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What I meant is people like to see big stuffs=better.
But what more important is the surface area. It does matters.
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folks, i had been told that the inverter and non inverter type require different pipe size? can any guru here clarify this?
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QUOTE(supersound @ Feb 20 2014, 10:42 AM)
What I meant is people like to see big stuffs=better.
But what more important is the surface area. It does matters.
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now i get you. yes correct. its only about more surface area and ventilating them. how small you pack it is up to the manufacturer.
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QUOTE(hz428 @ Feb 20 2014, 11:37 AM)
folks, i had been told that the inverter and non inverter type require different pipe size? can any guru here clarify this?
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true for all inverters besides daikin. they dont use R22 but a newer gas, which is under higher pressure. you your pipe must be thicker.
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QUOTE(hz428 @ Feb 20 2014, 11:37 AM)
folks, i had been told that the inverter and non inverter type require different pipe size? can any guru here clarify this?
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Different pipe? Do you check the quality of thickness, no right.

From they can bought better grade only.

Once is installed, do not change from R22 or R410a gas works as existing piping.

Unless the aircond installer use air vaccum to high power for suction all the existing oil sticks on cooper pipe or use same gas as new aircond to be purge it out of older oil and re-used back of existing cooper pipe only.
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Different gas pipe of class or grade, they got diff. Cost.

If I'm the contractor for sure I will choose the most close to inverter gas pressure for works it nicely done.
At lease I knew the installation cost until where.

Also now m'sia currency very weak from all imported cooper pipe, for class to grade and only selected for china made to be cost saving..

Lol

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QUOTE(PJusa @ Feb 20 2014, 11:41 AM)
now i get you. yes correct. its only about more surface area and ventilating them. how small you pack it is up to the manufacturer.
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That's why I choose Panasonic over York, compressor smaller and more quiet than York(same HP).

QUOTE(PJusa @ Feb 20 2014, 11:42 AM)
true for all inverters besides daikin. they dont use R22 but a newer gas, which is under higher pressure. you your pipe must be thicker.
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Using the true inverter gas require thicker copper tubing. Maintenance fee also double than non inverter.

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QUOTE(supersound @ Feb 20 2014, 12:00 PM)
That's why I choose Panasonic over York, compressor smaller and more quiet than York(same HP).
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Ok here, for example panasonic can archive 2hp used same size as 1hp outdoor unit.

Do you buy? Just a funny question
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QUOTE(kimsim @ Feb 20 2014, 12:11 PM)
Ok here, for example panasonic can archive 2hp used same size as 1hp outdoor unit.

Do you buy? Just a funny question
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If they produced equal or closed btu why not. Is the same analogy, same engine but some are bigger cc, because internal are different.

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