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post Feb 14 2014, 01:47 PM

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QUOTE(freestyler87 @ Feb 14 2014, 01:45 PM)
thanks for your reply... the room is ready as it were... im not going to concealed the wiring...

is that item 4 & 5 is additional cost?
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Laying new cable sure need to pay extra.
With such hot climate, when doing renovation, make sure every room have an air cond point.
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post Feb 14 2014, 05:59 PM

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QUOTE(syafu @ Feb 14 2014, 03:49 PM)
Does the new cable laid from DB or from nearest electric point?
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Shall be from DB for safety reason, unless you know the plug point wire they used is high quality type.
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post Feb 15 2014, 02:02 AM

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QUOTE(vramlizard @ Feb 15 2014, 12:42 AM)
Guys need some advice between inverter and non invernter..Wats the difference between this two in this situation as both are 1.5hp

A. Both set at 24
B. Both set at 18
C. Both set at Auto

Which one will be more saving? 4-5hrs use..2 person..but we do have visitors up to 5 person some time...
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Living room? I'll prefer 2HP Panasonic basic type, full blast set at 25 for 1 hour and people complaint too cold.
For the sake of comparison, our mod already table out the actual savings, just check out the replies here.
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post Feb 16 2014, 11:11 PM

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QUOTE(glamour @ Feb 16 2014, 09:40 PM)
Looking for
2hp and 1hp aircon
Non inverter
What brand should I go?
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How much is your budget? For quiet operation and lower noise generation, Panasonic will be good.
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post Feb 16 2014, 11:13 PM

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QUOTE(meteoraniac @ Feb 16 2014, 04:13 PM)
Hi would like to have some opinion on the proposed layout of the aircon

Initially I've had plans to install cassette ceiling air con but due to the limited height space, i had to forego the plan and instead install 2 wall mounted aircons

I was wondering if the below is sufficient for coverage?

its 24 ft wide and 70 ft long, but the net length is probably 50 or so as I have separated the dry and wet kitchen (previously the yard) with glass partition

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Just 1 2HP for dining and living together, move the 2HP at your photo a bit more center.
Have the blower unit blow towards you are not a good idea.
Last time I also like this, but it is very cold.
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post Feb 17 2014, 07:59 AM

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QUOTE(meteoraniac @ Feb 17 2014, 12:06 AM)
thanks, 1.5hp seems big for an area that small. good idea smile.gif
im not sure if 2 is sufficient to cover the area, but will check with the aircon technician, certainly save costs on purchasing another unit

thanks for the input
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For living and dining, you no need to be cold, just for cooling.
Your "24ft" is not really 24ft as some of the space are eaten by the stair. And you don't really have 50ft long also, most is about 40-45ft.
Partition your wet kitchen to dining/living(for feng shui and less headache on cleaning air cond)
After minus out everything, I guess you will only have 21*25. So, it should be enough. Also, having meal is not that good to have full blast of air cond, not that good also.
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post Feb 17 2014, 08:30 AM

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QUOTE(glamour @ Feb 17 2014, 08:16 AM)
No budget. As long is cool and don't give much problem
Cause now got so many brand in the market
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My bedroom(1.5HP) already used for 8 years while my living already 3 years(2HP)
All are Panasonic, nothing fancy on the functions, just the most basic type.
For this type, the part that will fail is the capacitor if you set it such that it will cut in cut out regularly. Now I don't really run them for the whole night, I just run them for 2-4 hours max, so it will be on constant load till it stops.
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post Feb 17 2014, 08:35 AM

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QUOTE(kimsim @ Feb 17 2014, 08:31 AM)
Compare brands from cooling faster then go for ME inverter as your choice.

I'm not salesman, but I'm really tried many brands before, so I was prefer or suggestion only.

Hitachi DC inverter a bit slower cold down and slightly noise airflow but so far no issue.

ME = Mitsubishi Electric
DC inverter really impressive of confort air & cooling fast & quiet at all, from 21db only.
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shakehead.gif shakehead.gif Peple already said "non-inverter", don't be hard selling or unless you are going to pay the difference, then is ok. whistling.gif
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post Feb 17 2014, 08:58 AM

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QUOTE(kimsim @ Feb 17 2014, 08:44 AM)
Unless they going to change gas from R22 instead of R410a to be solving cooling faster than traditional R22 now.

For me I don't mind to pay higher as one stop painful.

If I was pay lesser to install but in future effect my operates & duration hours for more into calculating day by days.. So my life's lagi painful sad.gif
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Don't be a chicken and try to avoid on answer my question.
As said, since you keep on boasting inverter are good, you pay the price difference for our friend to buy inverter type.
You no need to keep on saying inverter can save money which in actual it does not really. Even our moderator already come out the calculation and you never replied him but choose to keep on coming out such misleading replies. A photo from seller that says saving money on bills you boast it big, but the small words below you keep quiet. Even manufacturers can't really give an exact figure but you can?
Try to prove our moderator's statement wrong first, else stop mislead others.
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post Feb 17 2014, 09:07 AM

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QUOTE(kimsim @ Feb 17 2014, 09:04 AM)
Lol..

Don't try to telling ppls you are using per day maximum at 2-4 hours max.

That your statement smile.gif)
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This is a fact, not all people will use long hours, as said before, it is depending on how long we need to use.
Anyway, are you going to pay the price difference to our friend?
And guess you are old already, and forget to provide details that our moderator's statement are wrong. I'm waiting for this.
Or you already chickened out and now trying to play word games and doing personal attacks only?
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post Feb 17 2014, 12:04 PM

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QUOTE(kimsim @ Feb 17 2014, 09:16 AM)
You would like to commended ppls reply, that's your business.

I got my suggestion without any commission here, from what my opinion of usage everyday I knew what I was replied here.

So far I affected only you guy can't accepted the real life..
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Is just simple, show us the numbers to prove you are right. Is is really so hard for you?
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post Feb 18 2014, 01:22 PM

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QUOTE(jagjag @ Feb 18 2014, 10:08 AM)
My new aircond ( Daikin ) is making giving me this small problem. Ever since in my old hse, whenever i using aircond during my sleep, i will feel this dryness in my throat but its bearable most of the time. Since i move to my new hse with new aircond, this " dryness " is become worse. My son oso affected by this...
As what commonly practice is that we put a pale of water to moisturized the room temp, but this is not working for me. I saw there is a thing call Humidifiers that suppose to increase the humidity of the room..anyone use this and izzit works.....
How much this actually cost.....
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1 of the air cond function is to reduce the humidity which in other term make the room cold. You can dump money on humidifiers but you will still have this problem.
You see, like Middle East, day time is very hot but night it is very cold. This is because the humidity are very low there(no moisture presence) so the heat won't really maintain.
Using humidifiers will make the room still have moisture which will cause air cond to work harder.
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post Feb 18 2014, 01:46 PM

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QUOTE(jagjag @ Feb 18 2014, 01:43 PM)
Mmmm...then what its ur suggestion on this problem???? Use humidifiers and lower the temp...pay more for electrical as well..it this the only solution
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The only way is change your sleeping style. I ditched the comforter and set the air cond to cut out after 4 hours. Temperature at 24c.
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post Feb 18 2014, 03:29 PM

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QUOTE(jagjag @ Feb 18 2014, 02:54 PM)
Comforter...i never use this but my wife prefer this. But how comforter affect this ??
Yes i normally cut it off after 4 or 5 hour ( ard 3 o 4 am ) but when i wake up, i still feel the dryness ...
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I on it earlier just to cool down the room. Then I'll sleep. So my exposure time is about 2 hours.
Comforter is quite a big layer and it provide warmness. Last time before we ditch this, we need to on the air cond for the whole night and set it at 20-21c.
After this, 2-4 hours with 24c already very cold for us.
Just ask your wife, what she like, an user with sickness with a happy doctor and TNB or a healthy user with sad doctor and TNB?
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post Feb 18 2014, 03:48 PM

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QUOTE(jagjag @ Feb 18 2014, 03:37 PM)
What i mean is my wife will use comforter when the weather is cold enuf. We never purposely on the a/c or set to lower temp just in order to use comforter. I tot u r saying that comforter had something to do with the dryness i mentioned.
BTW, we really seldom on the a/c unless the heat is unbearable like this past few weeks. I can say, through out the whole year, we use a/c less than 20% of the days, so TNB for sure is not tat happy anyway.
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But still, once you use air cond you have dryness problem, right? Never on no problm, on sure got problem. This means there's something wrong somewhere, right?
And you know what is the function of air cond, so change the way you use it and see how it goes. Simple and direct way.
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post Feb 18 2014, 11:16 PM

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Feb 18 2014, 10:35 PM)
High temperature doesn't must mean high humidity, but high humidity must have high temperature.

Cold air is less humid generally.
Why cold air less humid?
Because cold air cannot hold on more moisture compared to hot air.
The amount of water vapour inside the air is directly related to temperature, higher temperature, higher vapour can be hold by air.
But high temperature doesn't means must high humidity, it can be low or high in humidity due to present of water vapour.

In desert, high temperature but low humid
But in tropical rain forest, high temperature, high humid.

Why we see water droplet from the blower cooling coil? When a high humid hot air passed through the cooling coil, the temperature of air drop, causing water vapour inside being condensed out as water.
But if the hot air is less humid, the less condensate or water droplet produced.

The same why we see water on outside of our iced water glass.

Extract or inject humidity purposely in the air doesn't affect the temperature of air directly (apart of evaporating effect of water vapour that can cause temperature to drop down a bit).

Humidity only affect our body feel about the temperature due to sweating.

A. 35C with high humid here
B. 35C with low humid in desert

Our body will fear more hot in A, due to our sweat has difficult to evaporate in A, which make us feel hot.
While in B, sweat has much easier way of evaporate, which make our body cooler or feel cooler.

But in reality, both air is at the same temperature

So don't expect inject humidity into air, then temperature will rise or drop, the same with extracting humidity from air, expect temperature to drop.
Humidity affect our body feel about it, humidity doesn't affect the air temperature except due to effect of the humid or moisture/water vapour/water evaporating, then there is some cooling effect due to evaporation instead of humid itself.

So if air is cold, then it must less humid
But if air is hot, it doesn't must be high humid.

High humid doesn't make the air cool, but we feel cool in damp raining day (typically when we can get high humidity reading time) due to

1. It is after rain, which generally air is cooler, no sun, better breeze etc.
2. Our cloth absorb moisture from the air, due to high humid of air, hence the evaporating effect that induce cooling effect.
2. Evaporation effect of moisture around.
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Still kinda blur on this. But good explanation.
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post Feb 19 2014, 02:43 PM

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QUOTE(jagjag @ Feb 19 2014, 09:21 AM)
Hey guy, my wife bought this after recommendation from a friends,
http://www.myfirenzzi.com/firenzzi/item.ph...ifier&itemIdx=2
Try it last nite..on a/c at 23ºC til 4am, off the fan and let the humidifier on till 5am. Set the humidity level at 60%.
Awake ard 5.30 n doesn't feel tat dry in my throat....awake bcoz getting hot without a/c and fan sad.gif  . But my humidifier does not off at that time..
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So this first try its consider successful....maybe...
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Well, if you off the air cond earlier while you still sleeping, you won't really feel the dryness.
And to test is that rm500 wasted or not, you shall be setting your air cond to work at 20c(when you have dryness problem) and not 23c.
Also, when air cond set at 23-25c, the humidity won't be low, Malaysia's humidity is average about 70-80%.
Places that still has trees around will give you 23c also during night time.
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post Feb 19 2014, 04:01 PM

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QUOTE(jagjag @ Feb 19 2014, 03:22 PM)
Most of the time if i on the a/c during sleep, i will set it off early but still feel the dryness.
Well, 20-23ºC is wat normally i set ...
BTW, its not 500 but 320 wat i paid....hope it wont wasted...
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Most of the time is your thinking bias that makes you feel good.
Our greatest enemy is still our own brain, you feel that there's changes, then it will be changes.
But from your wee wee you will know.
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post Feb 19 2014, 04:09 PM

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QUOTE(PJusa @ Feb 19 2014, 04:08 PM)
actually size of the compressor is not that relevant. its how much surface has been squeezed inside that can dissipate heat. most compresors now are smaller because the manufacturer can squeeze more surface in a smaller box (the fins are finer essentially). comparing the housing size wont do you much help i fear.
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post Feb 19 2014, 05:18 PM

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QUOTE(jagjag @ Feb 19 2014, 04:24 PM)
I a bit confused by u...ur supersound sound  hmm.gif  to me....but for the last few days i on a/c during sleep and every morning when i wake up i feel very dry in my throat....but not this morning. So i feel the different not just think of it. And i hope its really because the help of this humidifier...
But u seem like never give a pinch of approval on the machine...
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Set the temperature higher at 23-25c and let it cut out 3-4 hours, keep the fan on. With this way, your rm3++ on that machine consider wasted.
My office air cond set at 19c as to protect PCs, the humidity are quite low. So I have to drink 5-8l of water and wee wee every 1 hour, this is to keep my self "Wet".
Also, we shall sweat during sleep, this is to keep healthy. With our "healthy" life style, in average, 30% of our salary are dumped to doctors.
Back to simple life is still the way.

QUOTE(jagjag @ Feb 19 2014, 04:53 PM)
waste 1 hour of electricity lor..hahaha....
one of the option that i can hav a try..no harm as i mentioned early..thks
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Well, I on it 2 hours earlier.

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