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post Oct 14 2014, 09:25 AM

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QUOTE(weikee @ Oct 14 2014, 12:34 AM)
Don't know how your room design. If its close area with poor air circulation humid will build up, and not good for wood and cloths. You get the mushy smell and promote bacterial growth, if you have window or open area that can give good air circulation, just leave it open after use and humid dry out.
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Humidity is not an issue for Malaysia, as it is very high already, so no such thing of humidity build up.
If it really build up like you say, now is 80-85%, how much you want?
Seal the whole room by closing windows and doors also resulting to poor ventilation, this is worst than "poor circulation".
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post Oct 14 2014, 09:54 AM

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QUOTE(weikee @ Oct 14 2014, 09:48 AM)
Yes ventilation is a better term to use. Putting humidifier in already high humidity temperature we have here will cause more problem without good ventilation.
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Why need to use humidifier? Just to full fill people has, I need to have also?
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post Oct 14 2014, 11:20 AM

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QUOTE(chongkiatz @ Oct 14 2014, 10:33 AM)
Ok, so if using the air cooler to blow myself when in fitting room and study room, just make sure window is open and let the air flow

For my study place i think should be ok since is upstair living room, open air

I not expected whole room to be  cold like aircond, have a cold air.blow when my wife  make up or when im  surfing is enough , 2hour enough to build up humid?
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A table fan is all you need thumbup.gif
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post Oct 14 2014, 11:28 AM

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QUOTE(halcyon27 @ Oct 14 2014, 11:25 AM)
Yes split vs window type. The former has blower and compressor split whereas the latter is interlinked. I thought so too that you might still like the high ceiling. The volume above the ceiling needs not be cooled. What's more important is the air surrounding the room up to 8-9ft. That's where most occupants are and it's key that they feel the cooling.

If one AC place it on one side of the wall where it faces the kitchen. Here's where long throw blowers like Mitsubishi (Electric and Heavy Industries) and Samsung really comes to play. The long throw mode can reach the kitchen so long as the circulation path is not obstructed. Normally, installer would place it at 8-9ft high.

If two dedicated AC normally because room orientation and placement limitation, Sharp gull wing or Samsung triangle can consider. But Samsung needs 4 core wires vs the rest that needs 3.
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Long throw only are good if you always clean the filter and set to the max.
Skip Samsung as far as possible, not that reliable compare to others.
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post Oct 14 2014, 12:21 PM

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QUOTE(chongkiatz @ Oct 14 2014, 12:19 PM)
My study area will have ceilling fan, just wan something cold air blow me when im surfing web and update some facebook pages, installing aircond is possible, just i wondering is that ceilling fan + air cooler is enough? I could save some money and electric bill too
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Circulating air will be cheapest method, comparing heat transfer equipment, regardless of heating and cooling.
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post Oct 14 2014, 12:24 PM

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QUOTE(halcyon27 @ Oct 14 2014, 12:00 PM)
Normally high humidity is not an issue if the temperature is cool like 27 degrees. Lower temp means wetter and most likely it beget mists as dew point is reached. 80-85% at 26-27 degrees, then it's pleasantly ok. But in a room that's already baking hot and it never goes down below 29 degrees is not healthy also. Have to consider one with the other.

Mostly, the surrounding environs come into play. Brick walls and glazed floor tiles normally has that coating that keeps moisture intrusion low or negligible. The excess humidity builds up and as temperature rises it feels very "kook". If the floor is marble (broken or tiled) and the wall uses venetian plaster (similar composition as Ipoh marble) then the excess moisture is wicked away. Even in hot afternoon outside, the house whose floor is marble and walls are using venetian plaster it will be surprisingly comfortable even at 30 degrees and 75% humidity.

ell as excess drying rate for the lungs of young chidren.
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If I still living in Malaysia and never being send to work in ME, yes, you are right.
But nope, some of your statements are totally wrong.
Humidity and temperature are 2 separate things.
I can have high temperature but low humidity and I won't sweat.
I can have low temperature but high humidity and I sit in my room also I'll sweat.
Both humidity and temperature will yield a heat index and that's the factor to determine how "hot" is hot.
As said before, humidity in Malaysia are constant throughout the year, so it won't build up or go down much. Only temperature will be changed. High rise building are good heat collector.
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post Oct 14 2014, 01:25 PM

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QUOTE(halcyon27 @ Oct 14 2014, 12:38 PM)
Bro, yes if extrapolated that way. But in our context, here 28 degree at 80-85 is still quite uncomfortable and that's correct. Like you said not that low but still high humidity.

High rise building heat collector very perceptible at the penthouse or highest level and not so if any lower and in between. The mitigating factor is wind movement at that elevation.

Humidity in Malaysia varies from locale to locale but in urban dwelling esp inside landed homes the only constant factor is high humidity and high temperature without AC is uncomfortable. Unless one sleeps outside with mosquito netting different story. Normally windows closed because: 1) mosquitoes 2) noise intrusion from street but that's the side effect
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Don't standardize KL landed property to other locations. I sleep with windows open and never have both of your said problem. Choose the right place to stay are more important than want to show off. Is very obvious you are the kind on showing off type.
I seldom eat meat now and mosquitoes don't like me. You want a sick lifestyle but does not means I need to follow you.
If a single high rise building in the middle, then yes, it will be good, but what if all rise together? You get nothing.
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post Oct 14 2014, 01:42 PM

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QUOTE(halcyon27 @ Oct 14 2014, 01:38 PM)
Bro, sorry if I come off that way but that's the truth in some parts of KL and PJ it's a urban heat island where I live or used to live. No joke. Some places need them and in some not too much of it required. I'm sharing what I have experienced but that doesn't mean any of our points is not valid.  No one is asking anyone to follow anybody here. Don't cloud the issue. Peace ok?
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KL and PJ are surrounded by buildings.
While in Seremban still surrounded by trees.
2 different cases, so your logic still fails sweat.gif
And the amount of waste gas also play a part.
That's why I won't getting rm2000-3000 extra a month but losing out my health and morale.
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post Oct 15 2014, 04:46 PM

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QUOTE(g88 @ Oct 15 2014, 04:15 PM)
been using daikin and Pana for many many year. never encounter problem. My friend also using MHI and ME also no problem....so ?? Conclusion is count on luck haha...

seriously not joking
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Many years ago air cond are controlled by a small thermostat. As long as the fins are not blocked, it will work as it is.
But now air conds are equipped with fancy unwanted stuffs and controlled by ICs, reliability can't be predicted. Best is ask the service center people, they will know what fail the most. Like LCD/LED/plasma usually are overheating problem(need to power off totally for 20-30 minutes after 2 hours).
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post Oct 15 2014, 04:48 PM

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QUOTE(leonhart88 @ Oct 15 2014, 04:45 PM)
I like cold sensatiin like in arctic. If you see many ppl use aircond with their bedcover/thick blanket liao.
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But in exchange you will have respiratory problem later on. Drink more water and set higher °C, good for your wallet and health thumbup.gif
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post Oct 15 2014, 04:54 PM

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QUOTE(g88 @ Oct 15 2014, 04:50 PM)
Thats really defeat the purpose....outside freezing but inside so warm... shakehead.gif
Technology era....we just have to bear with it
thumbup.gif  thumbup.gif  well advice.
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When I was in the first 2 months in Qatar, I got flu twice because of setting the temperature lower. Since it is paid by my company doh.gif
The electric bill about rm1500(after converted) since 4 of us always turn the air cond on 24/7 and set at 18-20°C, is very nice indeed, but really not good to health.
So I just stick to the basic type air cond and set higher, use shorter period.
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post Oct 15 2014, 05:30 PM

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QUOTE(halcyon27 @ Oct 15 2014, 04:57 PM)
Agree with the first part. That's how I got asthma. And that's how I learnt from some doctors about aircond and dehydration. More pronounced if it's pregnant woman in first trimester. Serious morning sickness (aka pregnancy induced dehydration).
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When our lung are subjected to cold and no water, it will generate flame and later cough doh.gif

QUOTE(leonhart88 @ Oct 15 2014, 05:04 PM)
My acer laptop led on 24*7 with sleep mode only still working already 2 yrs
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Warranty how long?

QUOTE(leonhart88 @ Oct 15 2014, 05:05 PM)
Low wattage ma..but faster cold is best. Heard MHI 25 degrees srk cm 03 already like ice cold sensation. So save money ma
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No such thing of cool faster, lots of factor to be considered about on "Fast". Like my living hall using a 2HP air cond, sit near to it really fast, but not for others. My room also the same, now less sun shine in the afternoon, so cooling down takes lesser time. Earlier of the year it take longer.
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post Oct 15 2014, 08:33 PM

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QUOTE(halcyon27 @ Oct 15 2014, 05:44 PM)
Ya, the phlegm helps slow down rate of dehydration but it narrows the passageway hence inducing breathing difficulties. But then that was long long ago. Now ok dy. After doctor showed how it's related, just realized that all I needed is just enough not to sweat or feel discomfort.

MHI won some awards for their innovative circulation feature. One thing they did was to study that cooling is mostly to satisfy the area where occupants are and then spread out around it. The other one is PCB sealing against humidity for greater reliability.
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Yup, that's right. That's why now I set 24°C(since is basic type and need to energize capacitor to start the compressor unit), on the fan and set it to turn off after 2-3 hours. Now my air cond run time about 5 hours.
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post Oct 16 2014, 04:26 PM

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QUOTE(RedDevils88 @ Oct 16 2014, 03:46 PM)
york vs panasonic. which 1 do you guys recommend?
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York if you on it then sleep direct.
Panasonic if you are moving around.
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post Oct 20 2014, 09:11 AM

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QUOTE(kimsim @ Oct 18 2014, 05:54 PM)
Went to hotel they used pana Econavi inverter model, I feel that the wind noisy quite strong.

This is very normal?



Pana inverter deluxe 13k btu feel like really keep warm not cold or too efficient on normal 4x5m room size.

Even set on 22C but the cooling wise just feel like 25C only, anything went wrong?
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Went to electrical shop yesterday and tested Mitsubishi air cond, ask them to close the shop's door and turn off all the display TVs and audio system.
Set the air cond to coldest and fan at max. Very noisy compare to my non inverter Panasonic air cond.
Is this normal for Mitsubishi air conds?
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post Oct 20 2014, 09:14 AM

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QUOTE(chongkiatz @ Oct 20 2014, 08:42 AM)
Ok, wil ask them use thick copper which can use for future , thx  happy.gif
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Copper are active to water but not on air cond system. No need to use thicker type as it is waste of money.
And do not conceal all the piping, not advisable to do so. Hack the wall, put a PVC pipe that are slightly bigger than your air cond pipe and wire so that they can enter the PVC pipe. Much more easier when you want to remove the old pipe/wire. No need to hack again.
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post Oct 20 2014, 01:32 PM

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QUOTE(kimsim @ Oct 20 2014, 09:20 AM)
Lol Pana supporter again
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Not really want to support Panasonic, as your testing method are wrong.
If you want to say I'm a Panasonic supporter, then is same to you also, as MHI supporter. At least I won't simply step down a brand by some subjective test.
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post Oct 20 2014, 01:52 PM

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QUOTE(kimsim @ Oct 20 2014, 01:49 PM)
Whatever brand for me all the best, just due to some reason they cutting cost an issue, but still selling like premium brand..
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Is it? But at least the shop I visit do able to tell me all the pro and cons of every brand he is selling. I even have to buy him a coffee and have a long chat. He do carry both MHI and Panasonic. Both can be noisy like what you said when push to the max. So your logic failed whistling.gif

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QUOTE(leonhart88 @ Oct 20 2014, 02:11 PM)
Pana many ppl complain..at least Mitsu not many people complain. Mitsu=daikin. pana is lower than both. pana=sharp=samsung liao
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It depends which shop you went. Some shop is because of profit margin low will not push people to take.
If Panasonic is a pariah brand, their WM won't offer 12 years warranty.
And Daikin = York, MHI is still MHI nod.gif
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post Oct 20 2014, 02:35 PM

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QUOTE(leonhart88 @ Oct 20 2014, 02:27 PM)
Pana not ice cold too just windy not nice. daikin and mitsu nice cold ice rather than just windy.
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Yeah, this is 1 of the topic I discussed with the shop owner. Best way to come out such misleading statement is, use a 1HP brand that you wish condemn in a 22*12ft room and 1.5-2HP that you wish to praise. Sure you can have such statement comes out doh.gif

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