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Bubble Ring
post May 19 2014, 08:39 AM

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QUOTE(psyntium @ May 18 2014, 01:42 PM)
hi guys,

need ur help.. i just bought this door bell @ houz depot.. but confused with the wiring.. i have Red + Black + 2x White wire from the wall.. I know that the white wires are for the switch, and red and black wires for the power.. but how should I wire it to the door bell.. no proper instruction is attached with the door bell package..  sad.gif

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No need to worry about the L vs. N connection.
No specific orientation, just ensure the AC 240V connected to the input of the step down transformer.
Refer to this post for further details. biggrin.gif

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post May 19 2014, 09:13 AM

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QUOTE(N73 @ May 19 2014, 12:35 AM)
just found out I bought the wrong door bell Schneider Model 99AC220 with 2 wirings after read thru this forum. Haiz waste of money oredy. Does anyone know where can I get the Schneider door bell with 4 wirings? Please share here.
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If you compare the doorbell owned by psyntium vs. sw.boutique, the two are entirely different design.
However, the doorbell with two wires design still backward compatible with existing wiring (4 wires type).
It's just a matter of connections. For further assist, post the picture of the doorbell. wink.gif
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post May 19 2014, 09:27 AM

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And please makesure your live wire RED and BLACK don't have supply or electric. Before you do the joining.

OFF the breaker to the wire or RCCB/main breaker if you don't no which 1. Pay attention to the safety.
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post May 19 2014, 12:57 PM

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QUOTE(Bubble Ring @ May 19 2014, 08:39 AM)
No need to worry about the L vs. N connection.
No specific orientation, just ensure the AC 240V connected to the input of the step down transformer.
Refer to this post for further details. biggrin.gif

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oh tqtq.. thanks for the guidance!.. managed to get it work now.. biggrin.gif
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post May 19 2014, 08:41 PM

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QUOTE(psyntium @ May 19 2014, 12:57 PM)
oh tqtq.. thanks for the guidance!.. managed to get it work now.. biggrin.gif
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post Jun 2 2014, 12:59 AM

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QUOTE(Bubble Ring @ May 19 2014, 09:13 AM)
If you compare the doorbell owned by psyntium vs. sw.boutique, the two are entirely different design.
However, the doorbell with two wires design still backward compatible with existing wiring (4 wires type).
It's just a matter of connections. For further assist, post the picture of the doorbell. wink.gif
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I managed to take the photo of the door bell internal as per attached.
Please help to confirm whether I can use it for double storey house in return. If not any way to make the modification?


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post Jun 2 2014, 09:50 PM

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QUOTE(N73 @ Jun 2 2014, 12:59 AM)
I managed to take the photo of the door bell internal as per attached.
Please help to confirm whether I can use it for double storey house in return. If not any way to make the modification?
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Here you go... biggrin.gif
Conversion from 4-wires type to 2-wires type doorbell.
No major modification needed. Just add one terminal block connector. thumbup.gif

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Please take note of this type of doorbell design weakness!
If your doorbell switch located at outdoor and exposed to rain water, make sure you use the outdoor rated switch.
Non-outdoor rated switch will give you headache due to short circuit caused by water. rclxub.gif
Short circuit will lead to nuisance MCB tripping. vmad.gif
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post Jun 2 2014, 10:21 PM

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QUOTE(Bubble Ring @ Jun 2 2014, 09:50 PM)
Here you go... biggrin.gif
Conversion from 4-wires type to 2-wires type doorbell.
No major modification needed. Just add one terminal block connector. thumbup.gif

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Please take note of this type of doorbell design weakness!
If your doorbell switch located at outdoor and exposed to rain water, make sure you use the outdoor rated switch.
Non-outdoor rated switch will give you headache due to short circuit caused by water. rclxub.gif
Short circuit will lead to nuisance MCB tripping. vmad.gif
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Please don't do this kind of wiring, can kill the person pressing it when wet.
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post Jun 2 2014, 11:18 PM

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QUOTE(weikee @ Jun 2 2014, 10:21 PM)
Please don't do this kind of wiring, can kill the person pressing it when wet.
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Yup, warning already given about the potential short circuit hazard!
That's the reason why there's a another variant design with step-down transformer. nod.gif
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post Jun 2 2014, 11:20 PM

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I have a feeling this may not be an outdoor design door bell, or not made for Malaysia market.
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post Jun 2 2014, 11:40 PM

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QUOTE(weikee @ Jun 2 2014, 11:20 PM)
I have a feeling this may not be an outdoor design door bell, or not made for Malaysia market.
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Pros and cons... unsure.gif

Transformerless: Simple, reliable and low-cost. Suitable for indoor application like apartment.
Step-down transformer: Safer due to transformer isolation. However, the system always on standby mode and consume electricity.


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post Jun 3 2014, 10:56 PM

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QUOTE(Bubble Ring @ Jun 2 2014, 11:40 PM)
Pros and cons... unsure.gif

Transformerless: Simple, reliable and low-cost. Suitable for indoor application like apartment.
Step-down transformer: Safer due to transformer isolation. However, the system always on standby mode and consume electricity.
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Yup, this door bell I actually bought from Thailand. I buy this door bell mainly of the brand name and sound i like BUT very unfortunately you guy mentioned this is not suitable for outdoor. If u go to Schneider Malaysia website you may found they sell the weatherproof door bell switch BUT just cannot find this door bell sell in their Malaysia website.

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post Jun 3 2014, 11:37 PM

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QUOTE(N73 @ Jun 3 2014, 10:56 PM)
Yup, this door bell I actually bought from Thailand. I buy this door bell mainly of the brand name and sound i like BUT very unfortunately you guy mentioned this is not suitable for outdoor. If u go to Schneider Malaysia website you may found they sell the weatherproof door bell switch BUT just cannot find this door bell sell in their Malaysia website.
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Waterproof switch don't last forever chances it fail before your door bell, and may lead to leak.
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post Jun 4 2014, 09:21 AM

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QUOTE(N73 @ Jun 3 2014, 10:56 PM)
Yup, this door bell I actually bought from Thailand. I buy this door bell mainly of the brand name and sound i like BUT very unfortunately you guy mentioned this is not suitable for outdoor. If u go to Schneider Malaysia website you may found they sell the weatherproof door bell switch BUT just cannot find this door bell sell in their Malaysia website.
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I have change 2-3x the door bell switch for over 16yrs. Due to the degrade of the plastic and switch mechanism spoil. Mostly cause by the UV sun. While the indoor door bell last till now.

So when the switch mechanism spoil, the internal contact is expose. I cannot immediately get a new 1 and change. That is dangerous when somebody press the switch. But the switch is no longer there. His finger is going to touch that 240v contact inside. Specially at night. sweat.gif

I have to get a pvc tape to temporary seal the hole. While go and buy a switch. But lucky my door bell switch contact is not 240v or 2 wire bell.
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post Jun 7 2014, 10:03 PM

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QUOTE(N73 @ Jun 3 2014, 10:56 PM)
Yup, this door bell I actually bought from Thailand. I buy this door bell mainly of the brand name and sound i like BUT very unfortunately you guy mentioned this is not suitable for outdoor. If u go to Schneider Malaysia website you may found they sell the weatherproof door bell switch BUT just cannot find this door bell sell in their Malaysia website.
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I found this outdoor enclosure box for doorbell switch at lelong.com.my. biggrin.gif
If you really like it, just go ahead install your doorbell. Ensure proper weather sealing for the switch.

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post Jun 7 2014, 11:29 PM

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QUOTE(Bubble Ring @ Jun 7 2014, 10:03 PM)
I found this outdoor enclosure box for doorbell switch at lelong.com.my. biggrin.gif
If you really like it, just go ahead install your doorbell. Ensure proper weather sealing for the switch.

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Few months later you see lots of small friends inside.
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post Jul 7 2014, 04:02 PM

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QUOTE(N73 @ Jun 2 2014, 12:59 AM)
I managed to take the photo of the door bell internal as per attached.
Please help to confirm whether I can use it for double storey house in return. If not any way to make the modification?
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Anyone knows how to modify the two wired door bell to four wired door please share. I was thinking to add step down transformer BUT don't know how to connect the wiring diagram. Appreciate ant sifu can help here.
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post Jul 7 2014, 09:00 PM

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QUOTE(N73 @ Jul 7 2014, 04:02 PM)
Anyone knows how to modify the two wired door bell to four wired door please share. I was thinking to add step down transformer BUT don't know how to connect the wiring diagram. Appreciate ant sifu can help here.
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You can't add step-down transformer to a doorbell system that required AC 240V as input power source.
Just buy the weatherproof switch to solve your problem. biggrin.gif
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post Jul 7 2014, 11:59 PM

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QUOTE(Bubble Ring @ Jul 7 2014, 09:00 PM)
You can't add step-down transformer to a doorbell system that required AC 240V as input power source.
Just buy the weatherproof switch to solve your problem. biggrin.gif
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How about a step down transformer plus a relay? Will it work?
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post Jul 8 2014, 02:53 AM

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Speaking of weatheproof switch and it's a bit off topic but just to ask if anyone installed outdoor switch sockets?

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