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post Dec 5 2013, 03:32 PM

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4 wires is inside your house?

Mean 2 are to power the bell, 2 wires are the switch. When it short bell will ring.
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post Dec 5 2013, 06:42 PM

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Get the bell that use the same wiring. If you have neutral outside, raining time + your outdoor switch leak your bell will continues ring. Worse if someone press the switch maybe electrocuted.
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post Dec 5 2013, 09:38 PM

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Imagine the switch are wet, and someone press it, the body will flow current to the earth.

Get a correct bell, of all you know after few years your kids are playing the bell switch, if its configure via neutral is very dangerous.

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post Dec 5 2013, 10:30 PM

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QUOTE(sw.boutique @ Dec 5 2013, 10:11 PM)
To illustrate the door bell that I was referring earlier... I wonder why there are 4 holes?? Upon closer check, every 2 holes at the bottom and at the top connecting to the same copper plate in it... [attachmentid=3755235] [attachmentid=3755236]
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Learn how to read the symmetric diagram. It already tell you from the symmetric diagram on the switch. Did you see the image on the switch?
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post Dec 5 2013, 10:33 PM

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QUOTE(sw.boutique @ Dec 5 2013, 10:05 PM)
Then what kind of door bell is not configured through neutral completing circuit?
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I don't know of any door bell that run direct 240v circuit. Most of the door bell I seen are 4 wires, the Live (240v) and Neutral from the incoming are connect to one side of the transformer, another two wires is connect to the external switch (your outdoor switch), when the switch are press it will complete the circuit and your door bell will rang.

If you are unsure, better ask someone with electricity know how to help you.
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post Dec 6 2013, 12:00 AM

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QUOTE(sw.boutique @ Dec 5 2013, 11:20 PM)
But I just wonder why my friend house has been using this too for ages... Same model, as door bell at outdoor?

So this 240v will be sufficient to kill a person? Sorry ah side way a bit... I also saw those outdoor switches...Will it be safe then? I have some at the side  blink.gif
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Because house door bell are run on lower Voltage. The switch do not pass high voltage.
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post Dec 6 2013, 12:19 AM

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QUOTE(sw.boutique @ Dec 6 2013, 12:08 AM)
So my switch above can pass thru standard voltage? In another words, both door bell button and door bell I got are rather alien here? I got them when I went Taiwan  blink.gif
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Your switch can handle standard voltage (240v you mean?) But is crazy to use 240v for door bell switch. No matter how you water proof it, water will pass-through sooner or later.
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post Dec 7 2013, 05:46 PM

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QUOTE(sw.boutique @ Dec 7 2013, 03:44 PM)
I have then bought a Legrand-branded one with built-in transformer smile.gif

I have learnt the hard way... Spent extra unnecessary... LoL!

Just wonder if I can actually add the transformer like 12V one to this 220v doorbell and this 220v door bell will still work?
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Nope, that will not work. You need to made another circuit to drive the original circuit.
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post Jun 2 2014, 10:21 PM

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QUOTE(Bubble Ring @ Jun 2 2014, 09:50 PM)
Here you go... biggrin.gif
Conversion from 4-wires type to 2-wires type doorbell.
No major modification needed. Just add one terminal block connector. thumbup.gif

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Please take note of this type of doorbell design weakness!
If your doorbell switch located at outdoor and exposed to rain water, make sure you use the outdoor rated switch.
Non-outdoor rated switch will give you headache due to short circuit caused by water. rclxub.gif
Short circuit will lead to nuisance MCB tripping. vmad.gif
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Please don't do this kind of wiring, can kill the person pressing it when wet.
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post Jun 2 2014, 11:20 PM

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I have a feeling this may not be an outdoor design door bell, or not made for Malaysia market.
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post Jun 3 2014, 11:37 PM

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QUOTE(N73 @ Jun 3 2014, 10:56 PM)
Yup, this door bell I actually bought from Thailand. I buy this door bell mainly of the brand name and sound i like BUT very unfortunately you guy mentioned this is not suitable for outdoor. If u go to Schneider Malaysia website you may found they sell the weatherproof door bell switch BUT just cannot find this door bell sell in their Malaysia website.
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Waterproof switch don't last forever chances it fail before your door bell, and may lead to leak.
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post Jun 7 2014, 11:29 PM

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QUOTE(Bubble Ring @ Jun 7 2014, 10:03 PM)
I found this outdoor enclosure box for doorbell switch at lelong.com.my. biggrin.gif
If you really like it, just go ahead install your doorbell. Ensure proper weather sealing for the switch.

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Few months later you see lots of small friends inside.
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post Jul 8 2014, 07:53 AM

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QUOTE(Bubble Ring @ Jul 7 2014, 09:00 PM)
You can't add step-down transformer to a doorbell system that required AC 240V as input power source.
Just buy the weatherproof switch to solve your problem. biggrin.gif
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Is not the safest and convenient choice.
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post Jul 8 2014, 07:56 AM

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QUOTE(N73 @ Jul 7 2014, 11:59 PM)
How about a step down transformer plus a relay? Will it work?
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Why have to do all these trouble? Get one with 4 wires will do

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post Jul 8 2014, 07:57 AM

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QUOTE(S'aimer @ Jul 8 2014, 02:53 AM)
Speaking of weatheproof switch and it's a bit off topic but just to ask if anyone installed outdoor switch sockets?
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You mean 3 points plug socket? I have one outdoor but is not expose. Have to switch off from inside when not use.
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post Jul 8 2014, 12:22 PM

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QUOTE(S'aimer @ Jul 8 2014, 12:12 PM)
Yes, I have 2 3point plug socket outside but not exposed, currently have weatherproof cover-the plastic type. I believe one socket is for the future mini water feature outdoors. But don't know why need one more 3 point plug socket.

After seeing the concerns over weatherpoof cover etc, makes me wonder whether I should ensure extra protection.

I have a doorbell switch under Pieno range by schneider but not sure if also need to have cover?
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If you are running low voltage door bell, don't need to have cover. Or if the switch are design for outdoor weather resistance. Even if you need I am not sure you have a direct fitting cover for that switch. Usually are universal and is slightly bigger.
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post Jul 8 2014, 12:24 PM

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This one is something solid biggrin.gif

http://www.tlc-direct.co.uk/Manufacturers/...roof/index.html
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post Jul 8 2014, 12:44 PM

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QUOTE(S'aimer @ Jul 8 2014, 12:30 PM)
Door Bell is 10A 250V. That link you provided looks solid but need transformer right?

The 3 point plug socket is 13A 250V
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Door bell can handle that but you don't need that amount current. Most Important is it design for outdoor for 230v? If it leak out during raining someone pressing the door bell may get electrocute.
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post Sep 11 2015, 04:33 PM

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QUOTE(peri peri @ Sep 11 2015, 03:31 PM)
240v is dangerous but switch is not 240v, we based it on 6A. power socket is 20A. Hence, 6A is like ant bite
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You try 240v 6A, see got ant bite. even 1A of 240 enough to kill you. 240v AC with small amount of Amp will be enough to kill you. even with 0.5A


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post May 22 2017, 09:44 AM

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QUOTE(ozak @ May 22 2017, 09:31 AM)
You looking for unusual fetish. Where to get? 😝

Suggest to you to use some prerecord audio electronics board. Put a switch and you can use it.
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Arduino biggrin.gif

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kGnMqPERvCw

Got less complex design, just google around.

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