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post Mar 9 2014, 12:31 PM

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What model is huper optik sech? How come it is not listed in huperoptik.com?
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post Aug 22 2016, 02:40 PM

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Reporting back after 6.5 years of using huper optik c40 and c60. Just like new the first day.

SmartTAG, GPS all still good and no issues. Heat rejection is still as good as the first day.


Will report back again in another 2.5 years. Happy tinting

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post Sep 3 2016, 02:01 PM

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QUOTE(0168257061 @ Sep 2 2016, 11:35 PM)
Both VLT non jpj compliance for front wind screen.
Did u bump into trouble before ?
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Nope, it gets lighter as year goes by. Probably looks like 60/40 or 70/30 now. Definitely can see inside. biggrin.gif
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post Oct 9 2017, 09:21 PM

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QUOTE(epie @ Oct 9 2017, 11:44 AM)
hi guys
need recommendation to tint my alza and comply with jpj guideline
main purpose is to reject heat
budget is below 2k
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huper optik. after installation of other brands, still my favorite among all compared to all other branded tint

I just realized that all branded films are the same. just pricing difference due to marketing

Point of view, darker always provide better heat rejection for branded films, not those house or pasar malam tints

huper deteriorate after 5 years but the cost to reapply still better than 1 lump sump of expensive ones since they still deteriorate anyway over time

just learned a lesson the Hard way paying an arm and leg for branded tint just to find out it still burns my skin during daytime driving because need to comply to JPJ rules with the stupid vlt thing

No matter what brand if it's too clear, heat rejection is close to none. fuck


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post Oct 9 2017, 11:24 PM

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QUOTE(-Aktan- @ Oct 9 2017, 11:15 PM)
Which branch u did it?
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for which one? the branded one that burns my skin even though it's the highest range and the most expensive one or huper optik?


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post Oct 10 2017, 12:46 AM

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QUOTE(-Aktan- @ Oct 9 2017, 11:58 PM)
For huper, and the first branded one. Haha
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Either u go compliant or none. Compliant ones feels like no tint at all. C40 all round + c60 was my best combo all time.

Huper tint will become brighter as years pass.

if u go all c60 will still feel skin burning sensation if u don't have high uv on original glass like perodua cars

My old Honda civic fd front windscreen already default 30 vlt, when puspakom did b5 without tint just barely pass 71% for front, 74% side yet c60 still gives me a burning sensation



maybe I should apply oku for sensitive skin

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post Nov 1 2017, 12:46 AM

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I won't recommend Raytech. Already on the highest range Rx still feel the burns.

should have just stick to my good old huper sad.gif


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post Nov 2 2017, 03:11 PM

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QUOTE(celciuz @ Nov 2 2017, 01:58 PM)
Intereting... the HO even better than Raytech RX eh... which model is it from HO? Next time can consider that too... I'm using RX at the moment.
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Ceramic 60 for front, Ceramic 40 for driver& passenger, Ceramic 30 for all back

The suggestion above are not JPJ friendly nor compliant but very cooling and comfortable to block sun ray in the hot afternoon. No burns at all in the afternoon sun.

I did a review of HO after 7 years+ of usage. Deteriorates after 5 years but still better than other brand i used.

I have not used any security series from HO as installer say they kinda suck in heat rejection compared to normal HO. Maybe some rich forummer would like to try and review.


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post Nov 2 2017, 03:14 PM

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QUOTE(Lord Gitsy @ Nov 2 2017, 01:13 PM)
Hi, Thanks for the feedback. You can send your car back to Raytech shops to have BTU meter testing on the films. I suggest you can add another layer of darker tint if you don't want too much sunlight come into the car smile.gif
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Boss, what is the purpose of the BTU meter testing after installing the tint?

Add another layer of darker tint need to add $?
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post Nov 3 2017, 04:52 PM

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QUOTE(Lord Gitsy @ Nov 3 2017, 11:44 AM)
Oh i see bro. I wondered why you said RX will feel still burn after tinted because the VLT is follow the JPJ regulation. Your suggestion of the H brand combination is not compliance with JPJ rules. VLT for Front is VLT60% and driver & passenger is VLT42%  hmm.gif
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This is why you need to have more variety in products to cater for other consumers requirements. For me, I will sacrifice compliance for comfort. The reason why I went to your shop is because your tint specification states higher than your competitors when in fact after application and comparison it fares much worse. I had the assumption that your tint is superior because of the specification, marketing, etc and you did not mention that lower VLT will yield better heat rejection.

I have the assumption that your tint has both comfort and compliance based on the spec sheet. I realized this is false and now you mention here of cos H brand is better because the VLT is lower hence the heat rejection is better. But that is not what is stated from your spec sheet of your top range RX?????

I consider this borderline unethical marketing. Not to mention the pricing as well.

All tint shops I went to starts with this question,

Comfort or Compliance?

Now I paid for a product which I do not like because I want comfort instead of compliance but I was not asked the question, and based on my assumption. Hence I was wrong and I share with the members here why RX is inferior to H brand with lower VLT.

I would have just gone straight with 1 layer of HO with lower VLT instead of asking customers to go stick another tint if your tint doesn't work as I hope bro, if u told me earlier, "bro this is compliance tint, will not be as good as lower VLT tint".

But hey everyone also wants business right.





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post Nov 4 2017, 10:29 AM

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QUOTE(SportyHandling @ Nov 4 2017, 09:55 AM)
Huper Optik C30 is already very dark to the eye and certainly not JPJ-compliant. I have the C40 for all windscreens except for the front windscreen which is Sech60 and the C40 is just borderline dark to the eye. If tested the C40 will also fail JPJ requirements but if looking just with the eye, it still looks "okay" - a little dark but not too dark like the C30.

The Huper Optik Sech60 for front windscreen and C40 for all other windcreens side and back are not as cool as the V-Kool package I had in my older car. But for the price (RM1,500-1,700) for a C-segment vehicle it's not too bad when compared to >RM2,000 for V-kool.
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v Kool elite? does it still block gps signals?
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post Nov 4 2017, 03:57 PM

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QUOTE(SportyHandling @ Nov 4 2017, 10:36 AM)
Yes, V-Kool Elite. In my case, unfortunately it does block GPS signal 70% or 80% of the time, meaning there is only 20% - 30% chance I can get GPS signal in the car. That was more than 5 years ago when I had the V-Kool elite on the Nissan Sylphy. Not too sure if the latest V-kool version still block the GPS signal but since it is the metal type I presume GPS will still be an issue.

If I were to choose a tint for a new car again, it would still be a tough choice although my previous experience suggest that V-kool is cooler than Huper Optik for the almost similar VLT, not only due to the GPS issue but the higher cost when compared to lower cost of Huper Optik. Huper Optik can match V-kool only if you go with darker tint such as C30, I suspect.
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Thx, good info smile.gif

Next car will stick back with HO.
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post Nov 14 2017, 05:37 PM

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QUOTE(jchong @ Nov 12 2017, 04:21 PM)
After checking the specs I see what you mean by the above.

Raytech Ultra 70 (for windscreen), VLT 73%, TSER 58%
Huper Ceramic 60 (for windscreen), VLT 60%, TSER 42%

Looking at TSER, in theory the Raytech should be much cooler than Ceramic 60, even though the VLT is higher. But in practice you feel the Ceramic 60 performs better. Hmmm.....

Lord Gitsy you got any comment on this?
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I already mention it in my previous post and learned my lesson. The specs are on paper only. Any TOM DICK AND HARRY can put whatever VLT and TSER they like. And I ate the BS. Simple.

There is no governing body to regulate the tint specification sheet. I want to get more business so I just hantam higher VLT la, who's going to tangkap me for wrong specification?



Get my point?


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Eastman Completes Acquisition of Solutia
KINGSPORT, Tenn., July 2, 2012 – Eastman Chemical Company (NYSE:EMN) announced today the completion of its acquisition of Solutia Inc. (NYSE:SOA). The approximately $4.8 billion acquisition supports Eastman’s growth strategy to increase revenues and profit margins by expanding the company’s geographic reach, especially in emerging markets, and establishing a more diverse and sustainable product portfolio. Eastman expects the acquisition to be immediately accretive to earnings, excluding acquisition-related costs and charges.

“We are pleased to complete this transaction and welcome Solutia to the global Eastman team,” said Jim Rogers, Chairman and Chief Executive Officer of Eastman. “The addition of these strong businesses, unique technologies, and highly differentiated products is expected to contribute strong cash generation and a solid return on capital to Eastman. We are confident this acquisition strengthens our position as a top-tier specialty chemicals company and establishes a powerful combined platform with significant opportunities for organic growth. We are committed to the successful integration of Solutia and look forward to delivering the projected growth and synergies from this combination.”

Eastman acquires Solutia, Inc.
•Total 2012 Sales Revenue of $9.1 billion
•Approximately 13,500 employees worldwide
•43 manufacturing locations and several sales offices around the globe
World’s largest solar control film manufacturer

Eastman is a global specialty chemicals company that produces a broad range of advanced materials, additives and functional products, specialty chemicals, and fibers that are found in products people use every day. As a world leader in the diverse markets it serves, Eastman is focused on delivering innovative and technology-based solutions while maintaining its commitment to safety and sustainability. For more information, visit www.eastman.com.

https://www.huperoptik.com/en/news/detail.aspx?t=9&id=80





Eastman Chemical Company is the world’s leading manufacturer and marketer of high performance films for automotive and architectural applications, and is sold under the LLumar® window film brand as well as under the FormulaOne High Performance Auto Tint® by LLumar®, Vista™, SunTek, Huper Optik & Design®, IQue®, V-KOOL® and Gila® Do-it-Yourself window film brands.

http://northamerica.llumar.com/window-film...lm-manufacturer




KINGSPORT, Tenn., December 11, 2014 – Eastman Chemical Company (NYSE:EMN) today announced that it has completed the acquisition of Commonwealth Laminating & Coating, Inc. The acquired business is part of Eastman’s Advanced Materials business segment, and is expected to be accretive to 2015 earnings excluding acquisition-related costs and charges.

“This acquisition will help us better serve the broad and diverse customer base for window and protective films while supporting expansion of our product offerings and the use of window films,” said Brad Lich, executive vice president. “We’re also very excited about adding the SunTek® brand to our performance films products portfolio.”

The addition of Commonwealth’s expertise, paint protection technology, brand and sales channels, and experienced workforce is expected to support growth of our performance films products.

“Eastman is committed to providing continued superior products, service, and support to customers worldwide as we integrate these two businesses,” said Travis Smith, vice president and general manager, performance films. “We’re excited to bring Commonwealth employees together with our world-class global performance films team to benefit customers and support our growth ,” Smith said.

Commonwealth had 2013 sales revenue of approximately $100 million. The acquisition includes Commonwealth’s manufacturing facility and master distribution center in Martinsville, Va., and nine sales distribution centers that serve the global market.

Forward-Looking Statements: This release includes forward-looking statements concerning current expectations regarding the benefits of the acquisition of Commonwealth Laminating & Coating, Inc. and projected financial and operating performance and results following completion of the acquisition. Such expectations are based upon certain preliminary information, internal estimates, and management assumptions, expectations, and plans, and are subject to a number of risks and uncertainties inherent in projecting future conditions, events, and results. Actual results could differ materially from expectations expressed in the forward-looking statements if one or more of the underlying assumptions or expectations prove to be inaccurate or are unrealized. Important factors that could cause actual results to differ materially from such expectations are and will be detailed in the company’s filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission ( the “SEC”), including the Quarterly Report on Form 10-Q for the quarter ended September 30, 2014 that has been filed with the SEC. Filings made by Eastman are available when filed with the SEC on the Eastman web site at www.eastman.com in the Investors, SEC Information section.

Eastman is a global specialty chemical company that produces a broad range of products found in items people use every day. With a portfolio of specialty businesses, Eastman works with customers to deliver innovative products and solutions while maintaining a commitment to safety and sustainability. Its market-driven approaches take advantage of world-class technology platforms and leading positions in attractive end-markets such as transportation, building and construction and consumables. Eastman focuses on creating consistent, superior value for all stakeholders. As a globally diverse company, Eastman serves customers in approximately 100 countries and had 2013 revenues of approximately $9.4 billion. The company is headquartered in Kingsport, Tennessee, USA and employs approximately 14,000 people around the world. For more information, visit www.eastman.com.


http://www.eastman.com/Company/News_Center...nd-Coating.aspx


All branded under same parent see which one cheaper and better.

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post Nov 22 2017, 04:42 PM

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ccording to a recently filed court document, a South Korean distributor has filed a lawsuit against Eastman Chemical Company for allegedly knowing and selling defective window films after one of three key ingredients was removed in an effort to cut costs. The lawsuit was filed in the U.S. District Court Southern District of New York on Saturday, April 15.

The plaintiff, Seoul-based Sae Han Sheet Co. (SHSC), although an international distributor, is authorized to do business in New York, and the supposed defective films were shipped from the state. Therefore, jurisdiction will preside in New York. SHSC is also suing Commonwealth Laminating and Coating Inc. (CLC), John Does and ABC Companies 1 through 20—pseudonyms for individuals believed to be involved.

SHSC says it had been a national distributor of the SunTek brand since 2008 and, at that time, was invited by CLC to be its exclusive distributor in South Korea. However, in December of 2013, it alleges the the manufacturer nulled the exclusive distributor agreement, saying the plaintiff failed to meet sales minimums. Han continued to purchase and sell SunTek films through December 2016 as a non-exclusive distributor, even after CLC’s acquisition by Eastman in 2014.

SHSC alleges that Eastman wanted to cut costs, and, therefore, removed one of the three key ingredients in SunTek automotive films. The documents reads, “ … Contemporaneous to its acquisition of the Suntek product line and the business of Commonwealth Laminating, defendant Eastman Chemical undertook a post-merger ‘profitability review’ of the Suntek product line.

“Upon information and belief, defendant Eastman Chemical came to a decision, within its upper management, that ‘cost cutting measures’ would justify the discontinuation of one of three principal ingredients in the manufacturing process of the Suntek automotive tinting film. Shortly thereafter, it began to manufacture the Suntek tinting film and held it out to the market, not only within the United States, but throughout the world, as ‘the same’ yet missing a key ingredient.”

According to the lawsuit, the plaintiff argues that the removal of this ingredient happened sometime between late 2014 and early 2015, and that Eastman has continued sell the films.

Han claims that Eastman acknowledged the defect in an attempt to suppress negative press from spreading throughout the U.S., and sent him replacement films. He says these films were, too, defected. He also alleges that the defected products have cost him a loss of profit, a loss of customers and business opportunities.

The plaintiff demands judgement against the defendants on the following:

compensatory damages;
punitive damages;
return of remaining products to defendants;
all consequential damages including loss of profits, legal fees, expert fees, and costs;
any other relief the Court deems just and proper under the circumstances.”
Eastman Chemical Company had no comment at press time. Window Film magazine will continue to follow this story as it develops.


https://www.windowfilmmag.com/2017/04/eastm...an-distributor/


Commonwealth Laminating and Coating Inc. (CLC) manufactures tint for RAYTECH with custom specifications based on Raytech's website. Now i understand why.

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post Nov 24 2017, 04:47 PM

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QUOTE(JimmyChan77 @ Nov 24 2017, 04:33 PM)
Seems someone is doing their homework...

http://search.nfrc.org/search/apd_film/fil...ch_default.aspx
Here a website, for you to check out most of the tints value.
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May I know which Film Series/Model Number CIR80 belongs to?

Has anyone contested and brought Raytech to tribunal for a refund before?
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post Dec 21 2017, 12:44 AM

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QUOTE(magic_underwear @ Dec 16 2017, 01:31 PM)
Just tint my Mazda CX-5 yesterday using Hüper Optik. Initially was suggested Select 75 (FWS) and Ceramic 40 on the rest. End up opting for Ceramic 40 for entire car as was told Select 75 (and even Sech 60) may stumble upon issues with Smart Tag and access card for my condo due to the metal and other commodities in the film. C40 isn’t as dark as I want. Would have gone C30 but le misses is afraid of stumbling upon JPJ 😒. It looks ok dark now as my interior is in dark shade. Now waiting for the film to completely dry off and stick well with the screen.

Let’s see the heat dissipation/rejection and the rest are as good as it quoted or at least a good fight against our glorious sun.

*The above is solely my own opinion as yours may differ.
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So how's the heat rejecting on all c40. Leather seat? If yes got burn backside or not


Another branded tint I installed bbq my backkside nicely after only 30 mins in the hot sun. POS


The HO darkness will go lighter as it deteriorates. Your C40 will become c60 in 5 years time biggrin.gif
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post Dec 26 2017, 03:59 AM

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QUOTE(ry8128 @ Dec 25 2017, 02:56 AM)
I had my car tinted for 1 year already, using Raytech highest spec (Centurion RX + Ultra 70). So far for me the performance are not good enough. I still feel the car is very very hot if park for long time under the sun (not much different compare to my other car which just tint for 1.2k).

Anyone facing this issue? Or is there any way to check is my film really is ori raytech, or if it is ori, how do i know is rx and u70? And yes, I did my tinting in authorized raytech dealer.
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Go hq check. This tint is shit compare to other brannded tint

Same problem

Will go hq there and double check
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post Dec 27 2017, 09:50 AM

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QUOTE(Lord Gitsy @ Dec 26 2017, 10:24 PM)
Hi, your comment is quite harsh. Raytech have more than 30 branches in Malaysia, as a genuine seller here, we will act responsibly to solve the every customer problem and not run away of your problem. Please kindly send your car to our shop for a solar meter testing and consult our sales team. Our window film consultant can solve the thing for you.

For a FAIR comparison, please do not compare Raytech JPJ compliance products with ILLEGAL TINTS (Means visual light transmittance (VLT) % is not met the JPJ requirement at the particular window).
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The FAIR comparison is I compared your RAYTECH RX SERIES (TSER 62%) + ULTRA 70 (TSER 58%) with other brand that has SIMILAR specification on paper.

If other so called "ILLEGAL TINTS" has the same spec with your raytech RX and U70 series are legalized by JPJ , your RX and U70 is far below the advertised spec on paper . You keep spouting FAIR comparison, is your paper spec FAIR?

It is not fair that you put the paper spec as higher as those ILLEGAL TINTS that has similiar TSER and yet not performing up to expectation and I am sure a lot of customers bought into that.

I compare same TSER with your highest end RX TSER and U70. What is not FAIR? I let the forummers judge what is NOT FAIR.

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Your spec is higher than those so call ILLEGAL TINTS. But based on my own usage on this 2 tint, your RX probably cannot even compare with those tint with the same spec on paper. If i was ever ask to pay again for another RT tint, I would have just rather throw my money into the drain or let JPJ tangkap me and pay for saman than go with a product which does not perform as it advertised.

If you can proof that RAYTECH tint has a TSER of 62% for RX and U70 TSER 58%, I will eat back my words and offer you and your team a public apology.


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post Dec 27 2017, 02:54 PM

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I feel it's very unethical to mislead consumers to think that a certain brand is superior than others by publishing unrealistic figures of the specification.

I was one of the victim of this misleading paper specification and the reason I'm being very vocal about this is to make sure future consumers be aware on the tint specification.

A lot of good money has been wasted on this and I hope this post serve as a notice and reminder to all looking for a tint to cool their car. Everyone works hard to earn money only to waste it unnecessarily on tint that doesn't perform as it advertised.

As jamespaul said on post #3855 and I agree after experiencing 2 different branded tint with the same paper specification. A max TSER for 70% VLT probably is 45-50% +- 2% MAX. Any higher than that is probably unverified and unjustified.

And I realized all branded tints are the same. In the future, I would rate my tint purchasing based on priorities below:

1) Price
2) VLT (Compliance / Non-compliance)
3) Brand
4) Feasibility (GPS / SmartTag / Future RFID)




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