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post Jun 22 2014, 12:47 AM

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New toy arrive!

1) Got it at RM1400 from Maybank Treats Fair today. Redeem with my credit card point so I just paid RM1070.
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2) The free gift, a foam lance + a brush accessory (I think people who buy it at other shop at normal day also will be given the same thing, so not so much of a free gift in my opinion)
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3) It's actually quite a lot of assembly.
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4) Finally get it done
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@jchue73 since you got the same machine I wish to ask some questions as a 1st time user:

(a) The top holder for hand-spray gun, it does not seem to be nicely design to fit perfectly to the spray gun lance or the spray gun handle. I mean I expect it to slide down from top smoothly, and same when want to take out, but the reality is I have to brute force insert it down and take it up. Are yours the same?

(b) After the trigger on the spray gun handle is pulled completely, it has about 1second lag before the machine starts to pump out pressurized water jet. It is not like the normal garden hose nozzle where the moment we pull on the trigger the water jet out instantly. Are yours the same?

(c ) During installation of the dosage regulator for detergent, there are two transparent tube to be inserted into the plastic, grey color hose fittings (two hose fittings on the machine). But there is no instruction on which tube insert into which hose fitting. Is it doesn't matter?

(d) Come with the machine is a bottle of detergent, with a special cap/locking lid. It is to be used to have soap output in the water jet. I removed the lid (as instructed) and insert the detergent reservoir with opening facing down into the detergent connection, and adjust the dosage regulator (the dial in front) to Max. Then I press on the spray gun handle with the spray lance at Max position. I do not observe any soap/foam water on the ground I sprayed on. Then I turn the spray lance to Mix position, the water is just flowing out like normal garden hose strength (no strong jet effect at all), I can now see very little foam on the ground. I knew now detergent is mixed in the water output. But then is this means that in between Min and Max position of the spray lance, despite the dosage regulator for detergent (the dial in front) has been turn to Max position, there is still no detergent will be mixed at all in the output. The Mix position on the spray lance is the only setting to have detergent output?
That is very slow water flowing rate at the Mix position, kind of disappointed. I was expecting between Min and Max spray lance position, I also has soap output, but in Mix I have normal garden hose flowing rate only. I wonder did I do anything wrong or this is the intended design feature.

(e) In picture 2, the brush accessory. When I connect this to the spray gun handle, the water output is actually just normal flow rate of garden hose, no jet. If the spray lance is removed and left only the spray gun handle, the speed of water flow of spray gun handle alone is the same speed of water flow I got from the brush accessory. I am not sure you have this accessory or not but if you do, is this normal?

Kind of lengthy sorry for the trouble. Appreciate if you can feedback some of your experience with me.

And yes you are right, once the spray lance is removed with only the spray gun handle connected to the machine, the water output is so little. Use pressure washer definitely use much lesser water than normal garden hose.

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Ok I think question (b) you can ignore because I found the following video and I believe mine is behaving normally.
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I think the video also partially answer my question (a) because after I watch it, if you notice the guy does not install the bottom holder for spray lance gun, this enable him to insert the spray gun a bit lower and have the top holder holding more of the middle part of the spay gun handle. And notice he does not pull it out or insert from top to bottom, just straight away take it from front. I tried mine without the spray lance (because I installed the bottom piece) and with just the spray handle alone the top holder can let it slide in (top to bottom) smoother. Nevertheless I still wish to hear your personal experience on my question (a).

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post Jun 22 2014, 11:01 AM

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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Jun 22 2014, 04:23 AM)
fuh grats on awesome toy i so jelly weih XD
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I have a some credit card points to use up and I stumble upon this machine in the fair, so I think this is the most worthy redemption I can get.
I knew you have one too dont jelly rclxms.gif

But this beast is dangerous too, I accidentally spray the dirt buster on my leg and I feel like 100 rotan beating on my toes. So painful. I am going to blast the mouse sneaking into my house with this cool2.gif
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post Jun 23 2014, 07:33 AM

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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Jun 23 2014, 02:32 AM)
mine only rm300 or less je tongue.gif
only pride is that it's german made haha

and yes, sprayed my fingers while i wasn't paying attention, hurts like hell.
luckily it isn't industrial grade with over 200bar or so (iinm anything 150 below should be relatively safe for your flesh) where it's very capable of stripping paint off walls and most certainly able to flay your skin off lol

on a side note, i shot a fly before with my PW, i think it went splat laugh.gif
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Yours model has the detergent mixing feature right? I think is a tube and user inserts it into his own container with detergent in it.
If yes then want to ask is yours PW only output the water + soap when the spray lance in MIX position only? Between MIN and MAX no water + soap output?

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post Jun 23 2014, 01:11 PM

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Thanks bro jchue73 for your patience and detail reply. notworthy.gif I appreciate very much for your input.
hey the two pictures you posted I am unable to see it. Can check is the link correct?

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Anyway, it does not end there. When I replaced the stock dirt blaster to the DB 160 because stuck, I bought a few accessories along the way like the rotating brush and the telescopic spray lance to help wash my windows. sweat.gif

Oh the default dirt blaster comes with the machine can be stuck? Do you have any word of advice on what preventive measure to take to avoid it becoming stuck? When I shake the dirt blaster lance I can hear some kind of ball inside.

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I need to look at it again. Never realised there were two tubes.

It will be more noticeable from the user manual, at the fold out page full with installation instruction diagram. There you will see two tubes.
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Look at picture E.
The puzzle I have is I wonder if I swept the tube left-right will the soap mixing performance improves. But to do this now I will have to take out the dosage regulator again. But I have a feeling that swapping the tube will not do any changes.

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I had to prime the soap to come out and then put on the telescopic mount to get the soap up there in the windows.

What do you mean by this procedure? Do you mean you have to prepare a bucket of soap water yourself first then let the machine feed on this bucket of soap water? (the user manual says this model can suck water from a tank).

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No problem. You are actually the first other K5700 owner I came across actually.

thumbup.gif It is a good machine, I tried yesterday on a full car wash and I am satisfy with the performance. But skill has to change a bit. My first spray not only wet my own car, but also my neighbor car laugh.gif

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Anyway, I just snap the lance into the holder and take it off from the side clamp. No issues.

Yes that is what I do too, thanks for confirming it will do no harm on the plastic holder.

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Yes, many times the dirt blaster has rip off the skin from my hands and legs. cry.gif

Guess that is why the user manual recommends wearing protective attire before start using it. But I think no one will spend the time to suit up like a astronaut before using a pressure washer. laugh.gif


I have watched several youtube video and can confirm that the normal water flow rate when used with the brush accessory is the norm of the tool. There are other accessories from Karcher that produces such trivial water flow rate also. I think I would rather use garden hose in this occasion.

From these videos watching also I kind of come to the conclusion that regardless of brand, the soap mixing ability only works when the lance strength is put at MIN setting. This probably has to do with the physics used to suck those soap into the water in the machine. I will email Karcher to find out more. If want tremendous amount of soap must use foam lance already.

I tried the foam lance that comes in the free gift and it is by far the most fun of the entire PW user experience. I only wish I can control the jet strength with the foam lance but unfortunately it is fix for foam lance. Wonder why.

Look forward to your reply after you check the dosage regulator for detergent hose fitting.

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post Jun 24 2014, 07:42 AM

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QUOTE(superb999 @ Jun 23 2014, 02:28 PM)
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Wow nice toy
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post Jun 24 2014, 07:47 AM

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QUOTE(thom_chai @ Jun 23 2014, 02:40 PM)
@scoutfai Congrats on the purchase! It's every man's wet dream... jk biggrin.gif

Anyway, is the machine suitable for prolonged usage like more than 2 hours non stop cleaning the house compound?
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I am not 100% sure about such duration of continuous usage is within the design specification or not. The machine is water cooled, so I would guess heat build up is not an issue. Having said that, I have not try yet but so far I haven encounter a situation where I need to continuously spray for 2hrs nonstop. Perhaps in the next CNY I might have to do so then I will know smile.gif
Nevertheless, I have read in other oversea pressure washer discussion forum, some people claims they have used it continuously for 3 hrs (but they did not mention is nonstop or stop and go) and have no issue.
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post Jun 25 2014, 07:26 AM

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@jchue73

Got reply from Karcher Asia Malaysia.

1) The dosage regulator for detergent hoses have no specific rule on which hose fittings to insert to. So it is completely arbitrarily and will not affect the performance of the machine.

2) The detergent mixing function will only performed when the lance is at low pressure mode. Hence when user turn the Vario Power spray lance to MIN or MIX (which is a even lower MIN), then only soap will output.

3) Same goes to foam lance, which is the reason why it has no Vario Power feature like the spray lance, because in order to let foam lance produce foam, the water jet must be in low pressure mode, so by default the foam lance is already made into low pressure output opening.
(So I guess it pretty much same like foam gun principle, too much pressure not much soap output)



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post Jun 26 2014, 08:03 AM

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I can see the pictures already. Nice accessories you have there.

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I take out the connection to the telescopic lance and just run the machine (at free flowing low pressure). Then the soap comes out. Once it comes out, I stop and plug it in back to the telescopic lance.

So I guess Karcher's reply does make sense that the soap works in low pressure mode.

Wouldn't this means you will have to repeat this procedure over and over again whenever the soap has finish blast off the wall?

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I don't have Karcher's foam lance. I bought one from ebay. I like it a lot. Foam spray is nice but the spary distance is still limited but acceptable.

I have seen this kind of 3rd party foam cannon before. It has larger detergent container.
My question, what is the function of the dial at the top of the bottle?


Thanks for the reminder and advice on the plastic nozzle. I did read some user review comment on ebay and amazon before on this particular pressure washer model and some of them did complaint about the supplied plastic nozzle breaking apart like yours. I take you advice and have it changed ASAP. wink.gif

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post Jun 27 2014, 10:26 PM

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QUOTE(thom_chai @ Jun 23 2014, 02:40 PM)
@scoutfai Congrats on the purchase! It's every man's wet dream... jk biggrin.gif

Anyway, is the machine suitable for prolonged usage like more than 2 hours non stop cleaning the house compound?
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Ok bro I help you email Karcher Malaysia and here is the feedback.
The K5.700 is designed for home use and recommended continuously nonstop operating duration is about 1hrs.
For continuously nonstop (emphasize here, nonstop, mean the trigger never let go) longer than 1hr, they recommend the light industrial use pressure washer model HD7/11-4C.

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Although it looks giant in size, but the max pressure is only 110 bar. It is electric motor. I think the strength is lies in its durability for long term usage, because it uses crankshaft pump to pressurize the water, which is a much more durable design by nature. Another being the flow rate. K5.700 is only maximum 460 L/h, this one maximum is 700L/h.

Remark that not recommended does not mean cannot. Like what @jchue73 has tried himself, 2hrs continuously no issue. it is just means that it is not the original design intention.
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post Jun 29 2014, 09:55 PM

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QUOTE(thom_chai @ Jun 29 2014, 03:36 PM)
Hey bro, thanks so much for the valuable info! HD7/11-4C is a little too hardcore for household usage I suppose haha.

Still prefer the look of the K 5.700. Not too big, just nice smile.gif
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Easy job only. Since I already started the conversation with the Karcher Malaysia guy so I just continue the inquiry and feedback is rather promptly.
Yes this is a rather overkill for home user unless the home is not an usual home tongue.gif But if want long time usage then no choice got to go for industrial entry level.
Or alternatively, you can buy those brands that sold in Tesco, 100 bar or more less than RM300, can get 2 and use alternate. Though I personally feel this suggestion sound like dump ass but scientifically speaking it will work.

If you browse Karcher Singapore, you will find that Karcher Home & Garden use pressure washer has 3 ranges (entry, medium, premium). K5.700 is at the top of the medium level. Karcher Malaysia website only has up until medium level, I am guessing Karcher Malaysia does not bring in premium level machine.
Premium level is K6 and K7, higher pressure, higher flow rate, and definitely can work longer too. I think one K7 will cost about RM2k+ after conversion.
I email Karcher Malaysia whether they got carry K7 or not. Wait for me update. smile.gif

But I think K5 series pressure level is already overkill for home user. K7 up to 160 bars max pressure. I think you can blow the side mirror away. brows.gif

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post Jun 30 2014, 09:21 PM

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QUOTE(thom_chai @ Jun 30 2014, 10:12 AM)
Cool, haha. I actually saw the HD7/11-4C at the local shop here yesterday and man it was huge. Forgot the price, if not mistaken, i think close to 3k.

Anyway, instead of picking up the monster power washer, I ter-bought

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Can't wait to try it out  biggrin.gif

Oh wait, I only have 5.5" pads now. Have to burn wallet for new backing plate again sweat.gif
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Congratulate on the new toy. This is exactly the next toy I am saving for now.
The price you got it quite ok, may I know where you bought it?

Ok I got feedback from Karcher Malaysia, unfortunately K7 is not sold in Malaysia by Karcher Malaysia because the unit price matches closely with the entry level HD series pressure washer (light industrial use), hence their marketing team thinks no market for it in Malaysia.
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QUOTE(thom_chai @ Jun 30 2014, 01:31 PM)
Yup, it's DWP849X. I bought it locally here at Sarawak smile.gif
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ignore my question, didn't realize you answered already.

Wow surprise to see that Sarawak price even more competitive than Peninsular price!
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post Jul 6 2014, 09:35 PM

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Some new collection of my microfiber towel from ebay. Finally I have something decent to touch on my ride's skin. smile.gif

1) All at a glance
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2) The thickest one. Claimed by seller 1100gsm. Although I measure with a kitchen scale and calculate manually it ends up 980+gsm only.
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3) Side view. By far the thickest I have come across.
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4) Feel quite plush on the fingers
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5) Next in term of weight is this.
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6)
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7) Not too bad on the fingers.
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8) Just some common weight MF towel
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9) Drying towel. Love it. Used it today, works great! One piece actually enough for my small humble ride.
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post Jul 6 2014, 09:37 PM

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10) Big enough for my whole windscreen.
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11) For window cleaning exclusively. or for wiping away coating.
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Personally think this seller over claims the weight by about 20%. Nevertheless still quite decent MF towel to use.


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post Jul 8 2014, 12:44 PM

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QUOTE(thom_chai @ Jul 8 2014, 10:24 AM)
Looks good. Those mfs should be able to last for long long time. Mind sharing what's the total damage for this order?  brows.gif
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Yes that is what I hope too. Wish it is just one time investment.
Total damage RM460+ tongue.gif
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post Jul 8 2014, 09:44 PM

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QUOTE(g88 @ Jul 8 2014, 01:45 PM)
1/4 price maybe can consider. Paying Rm500 for cloth maybe is bit too much  ohmy.gif  sweat.gif
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Haha agree, is not cheap thing but is a one time investment for me.
Nevertheless if you want this quality and thickness you got to import from oversea local no people produce such weight gsm and blend ratio. Then I find out that most of those USA or Europe quality mf towel also import from Korea so I straight go search Korea seller.
The easiest to get locally will be Osren but even their premium mf towel I think at most 400gsm and blend ratio unknown.

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post Jul 12 2014, 09:39 PM

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QUOTE(iamsobloodysick @ Jul 10 2014, 05:55 PM)
50ml pot, RM xxxx (4 digit).

it is durable but not permanent though. it is WAX!

3months still can sheet the water well.

it is challenging when washing the car, the surface is ultra hydrophobic.
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Is Swisswax one of those boutique wax brand which offers lifetime FOC re-fill for the buyer?
Mean when your bottle of wax finish, you just contact them and send your empty bottle back to them, they return with a bottle full of new wax to you again. And you can do this FOC for lifetime, the only cost to bear is courier.
Read about this kind of policy from some oversea forum.
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QUOTE(LazyJin @ Jul 12 2014, 10:58 PM)
Mind sharing the source/seller of your towels?
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Don't mind at all.
Seller is this: MF Towel
This is the company own web. Atop

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post Jul 13 2014, 06:49 PM

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QUOTE(iamsobloodysick @ Jul 13 2014, 08:55 AM)
The free refill service is Zymol
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shocking.gif Then how many bottles of Swisswax you bought before up until now?
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Want to inquire opinion and user experience regarding the SONAX Wheel Rim Coating NanoPro.
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So far my experience is this wheel rim coating cannot last a single wheel wash from me.

My wheel rim washing routine consists of using Osren Degreaser FX 1:10 ratio, with spoke wheel brush and wash mitt. I do a very thorough wheel brushing. 4 wheels cleaning + wheel arcs cleaning on average will take me 1hr. From here I guess you more or less can estimate how much brushing I am doing.

The brush I am using are detailing purpose wheel brush. They are soft.

Last week I applied the coating. I spray once on the entire wheel, then wipe clean & spread with lint free towel. Then I wait like a minute, do a 2nd spray, and wipe clean and spread with the same towel same side also. I have to wipe and spread it with towel because the can spray just simply do not release mist that is fine enough to avoid run on the wheel surface. I watch the youtube video of Sonax and they also recommended wipe and spread with towel.

I then let the wheels dry overnight. I drive like normal for a week, then today I wash it using the routine I mention above.
Before I spray degreaser on the wheel rims, I rinse it with water jet and I can see clearly there is water beading. So I take this observation as the coating holding pretty well on the rims. Then after I done cleaning, I rinse it with water again, I can immediately notice a great reduction of beading strength, maybe I should say no beading at all, with this observation I concluded either the coating has been removed or has gotten so weak.

This is actually my 2nd time applying it and the experience is exactly the same with my 1st time. The 1st time I even wipe the rims with IPA 25% before spray the coating. Frankly speaking I am kind of disappointed by the product. I was expecting month long durability.

So I want to ask is anyone here who use SONAX Wheel Rim Coating NanoPro, experience such poor durability also or do you get superior durability? Even my Meguiar's Ultimate Wax can last longer than this Sonax product.
Do you think is my cleaning too aggressive so it removes the coating? (but without such brushing it will not clean well, and the bristles is so long it shouldn't be strong scrubbing effect neither).

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