Then do you get notification from mine?
Edit: Sorry, didn't read fully.

This post has been edited by scoutfai: Jul 24 2014, 06:43 PM

Congratulation on the new toy.
Is the car wash kit free gift from the shop?

Where is your Karcher PW now? Which model of Karcher was that?

Yes agree. Karcher, Borsch is like Toyota and Honda comparison. Both from Germany, both are reliable tool manufacturer but everything that you get from Toyota (Karcher) is at a higher price than Honda (Borsch).
Since the Borsch Aquatak model is later than the Karcher current series of pressure washer model, so no doubt the design by Borsch will incorporate more new idea. What more, Borsch even got a Borsch-to-Karcher adapter so Borsch PW user can use Karcher accessories.

What is meant by hard or soft water?
I use straight from water pipe one, without passing through any filter.

I am no sifu.
Google is my sifu.
ok according to wiki,
hard water = water that has high mineral content.
soft water = the opposite, water that has low mineral content.
If that is the definition you mean, then I am definitely hard water user. Because I do not yet have a filter.

So you are suspecting the water quality/purity/cleanliness is the issue?
But then if water quality is the only cause, it should mean i experience this every time, unless we have to further deduct that the water quality level straight from water pipe fluctuate highly, so if user is lucky, he might get cleaner water, if unlucky, more mineral content water.

I am going to finish off my Sonax shampoo soon (another bottle), this time I try buy a big volume of distill water from Tesco and see this will resolve the reduction of surd and lubricity ability or not.

Do you use some kind of filter that able to turn hard water to soft water?

Interesting demonstration although I do not know how many commercial hype is involves.



Explaining exactly the problem I am facing (assuming the man is honest).

g88 Do we have water filter that has ability to do water softening in Malaysia?
Are those less than RM100 water filter like the follow:

able to achieve water softening?
This kind of filter easily obtain in normal store or shop and the filter core also very economic. If it can do the job then it is really worth.

g88
Alright I think theoretically nail down the reason of my car shampoo problem.
Just not yet able to theoretically nail down why when the shampoo is fresh open, problem do not occur. Well of course it could be simply luck. The water hardness at the day I use the freshly open car shampoo is soft.





From the last video I think ordinary water filter will be useless in softening the water since the filter only capture particles, where ion in water, like Ca^2+, is still not capture.

Need something like the device shown in the video, a resin with chemical to absorb the calcium cation from pipe water.

You also sifu mah.
Yah feel great. Previously already got people advise me invest into a filter. Since then I just on the survey stage only on what filter to get (kind of grateful do not buy it yet). But that advise was solely for avoiding serious water spot and particles grinding on paint in case got main water pipe repairing work, mud get deliver together with water.
Didn't expect shampoo performance also reduced. I remember the water I use at those time when I experience shampoo performance drop was crystal clear from eyes sight some more. Well, human eyes cant see calcium ions.

BTW where do you get the Sonax gloss, in gallon! I also want to buy. Sonax Malaysia told me they do not import gallon stuff.

Trust you then.
Then what option I have in Malaysia?

Sometime I see some houses outside got this big tanker thing:



These are water softener right? Are this suitable to use?
Roughly how much damage will be on our wallet?

What do you mean by marine supplier? Place that sells ocean activity stuff like yacht accessories shop?

Is that means one can just buy the resin (wonder how much it costs) and put it in any long height tank and just simply water flow through the resin will get the process done?

Why the picture you post got a electric supply for the device? Not just flowing water only?

Seem like a very cost demanding device to use on a long run.

This one very fast finish consume leh. Do not think cost effective enough for long run. But thanks for the idea.

But i curious, from video once such chemical pour into the water, there is white precipitation formed and settle down at the bottom. How you want to remove this residue?

You are a rare person who can wash the car without soup. I doubt you got drive the car out or not.

Share some pics what poison you bought for yourself.

This post has been edited by scoutfai: Jul 25 2014, 11:28 PM

Osren carries it regularly.
or Krismas also got help his friend selling previously, if he still has stock you might have some luck.
You can DIY though.

Well when it becomes the only choice left then got no alternative option. This koi hobby one of the rich guy hobby

The residue I mean is the calcium salt, insoluble from water so it appears whitish. Like when you add milk to teh O.
I saw it from video in youtube (can't recall which one as I surf quite a lot of hard soft water video this two days).
The video presenter wants to eliminate the calcium ion in the hard water, so he added something (I think chemical like what you posted), then white residue (not particle form but like smoke in the water) form, which is a kind of calcium salt, because it is insoluble so it forms whitish precipitate. Then the remaining water is soft water because no calcium ion in it already.

So the product you shows does not form anything at all? But the calcium ion got to convert to something else and then goes somewhere. The product you show is it just reduce the chlorine content in the pipe water?

There must be some treasure in the box, show it!

Karcher invented the pressure washer. Their core business still the industrial pressure washer, so home & garden usage kind of lack a bit in speed of R&D.
Yah I feel the Borsch 3 in 1 nozzle is genius idea too. But I bought my PW in a fair and no Borsch there so I still happily chosen Karcher .
Usually where you will search for your Borsch PW accessories? Or the provided lance already enough for you at the moment you do not invest into more accessories yet?
Karcher accessories in Malaysia quite easy to find, I think this one Borsch needs to catch up.

This post has been edited by scoutfai: Jul 26 2014, 08:34 PM

Can reverse osmosis water purification system produce water quality same as a water softening system or not?
From reading it says reverse osmosis process removes many types of molecules and ions from solution (pipe water in this case). Since water softening system is aim to remove the calcium and magnesium cation, which are just ions, so reverse osmosis can remove these cations as well I guess?

Some humble opinions.
From my understanding, the general consensus in detailing forum is they mean the same machine.

Read

However, if you have to be extremely rigor in terminology usage, then you might say all random orbital machine must be dual action. But not all dual action machine must be random orbital machine. Why? Because to be "random orbital machine", you got to have characteristic of "random", which means unpredictable pattern in layman term. A Flex VRC3401 Forced Rotation Dual Action Polisher, for instance, has predictable orbiting and rotating motion, i.e. before the machine is turned on, you already can know what kind of path the pad will move if you were to place a pencil on the pad and let it draw its own path. It is by this feature, Flex 3401, cannot be a random orbital machine. And it will be silly to say something like "forced random orbital machine", but make sense to say something like "forced dual action machine". If it is forced, it can never be random already.

Nevertheless, general forum consensus is, they are the same. You tell people " I am using RO" or "I am using DA" , everyone knows what you are talking about.

As for pad attachment system, common. All use Velco, or Hook & Loop system. Backing plate attachment system, will be same for traditional RO/DA, but for some special kind of DA like Rupes and Flex, will be proprietary design of the brand. In the old time of detailing you will find pad integrated into backing plate, but I think such thing is very rare now.

Having to say that, RO and DA mean the same thing in general, if you see a machine only printed "Orbital", then be caution, it is not a RO or a DA. it is just a wax spreader. More commonly known as traditional orbital buffer.


The Meguiar's DA Power System

use the same pad attachment system. See the velco site of the backing plate here:


If you are asking backing plate attachment system of the Meguiar's DA Power System, sorry, this device is designed to have a fix backing plate. You cannot change to other backing plate. So you forever lock down to using 4" pad.
One thing worth reminding is The Meguiar's DA Power System is FORCED rotation like the Flex 3401.
I tried it once. Do not feel ergonomic for long use.

A decent RO/DA will have speed selector. But there are of course RO/DA without speed selector, but these are usually designed for wood sanding works. Of course utilize it for polishing is can but you got to accept the disadvantage of no speed control.

I believe the Black & Decker RO polisher you mean is this which you can find at Ace Hardware or Tesco easily:

I have never use or touch this machine before. But from the following video:



It feels like a wax spreader to me, if it is true then it is just an orbital, not RO/DA. Not sure it has speed control or not. But this one cannot change pad. You can only use the two types of elastic loop wrapping cover provided with the machine.

This post has been edited by scoutfai: Jul 30 2014, 09:03 PM

I think the reason I care about it now because I suffer from the effect, and the effect is something I can notice it. My shampoo effectiveness reduced, and it happened quite a lot of time recently compare to old time. I don't know why, but this change of water quality definitely dislike it.
If the water softening system is like RM3K and one year change once only, then yah actually I will invest into it. because not only can use for wash car, other home usage also will be benefited. But heck now I know that it needs to be recharged every few days interval and the recharge concentrate salt solution need to buy also, then it becomes too unaffordable for my current financial ability. Even if I won a lottery and can own the machine at the beginning it is still unaffordable in the long run. So got to call off the idea, at least for now.

Another reason is simply for sake of knowledge & curiosity only. Knowing more will not harm mah, right?
Maybe one day in future got salesman come promote me water softening system and claim something like buy once never need to invest into recharge the resin again, then I know this is a con.

Osren Malaysia carries one model called Ultramate DA. So far this is the highest input wattage rating DA. I am using this model. Feel working fine for DIYer and weekend warrior.
Price about RM880 by Osren Malaysia.

Meguiar's Malaysia also got its DA (not the drill attachment kind), but it is sold at RM1600 by Hypercoat Malaysia. It is 550Watt, with some features the Ultramate does not have but even so Hypercoat still overprice it by a lot. You can get it from Autobacs Singapore at about RM1k for machine only. Malaysia one is comes with a package.

A even cheaper alternative will be this:
Shinemate

The above are all traditonal DA. with 8mm throw, non-forced.

If you want big throw, either Rupes or the China made copy of Rupes, which is now sold by GoodWellCarGoods. I think RM900 per unit.
Forced one so far only Flex, carries by MTIS in Malaysia.

Generally speaking if you buy it personally in Singapore the price will be cheaper than you buy it in Malaysia.

Eih, my youtube video you can't see?

This post has been edited by scoutfai: Aug 1 2014, 07:30 AM