QUOTE(rihuhs @ Sep 11 2014, 07:09 AM)
wahlao crazy price
but settled down with desktop now

plus 17" is a bit too big for me when it comes to laptops

desktops are more fun

yeah it's much better to grab something light when you're usually on the move.
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it's better be clear: dfo units are cheaper because for some reasons or the other, they are considered as 'not perfect' by dell's standards. one thing to note is that although they're usually tagged as refurbished, there are new ones with something like minor cosmetic wears.
i have a m17x r4 dfo. when it was passed to me i could see that it was kind of dusty. (imagine how long it stayed in warehouse lol!) later i learned that it was a refurbished unit. (i am still glad because the seller was kind enough to tell the truth).
.. and it turned out to be a damn good machine. (stock 3840qm, gtx 680m, killer 1103 .n, 1x hdd. all i did was to add 2x 512gb sata ssd, 1x 256gb msata ssd, and swapped the 32gb stock ram with performance ones).
i abuse it a lot. (i do that to my machines. the guys who handled my cases know). however come to think of it, this r4 has never let me down since day one. not even once. (there was this one time i got pissed and hit the keyboard so hard the keys came out. when i calmed down i just put the keys back and moved on. they are still working fine haha!)
to me, although it was tagged as refurbished, it's a perfect machine. however, if you really MUST have spanking new stuff, then go to dell directly, or get them from reliable sellers, and pay the right price.