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 Power Requirement for Electric Hobs, Induction & Ceramic

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ozak
post Nov 21 2013, 11:46 AM

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QUOTE(S'aimer @ Nov 20 2013, 08:05 PM)
ozak, just to ask, if the back extension wall is already up but yet to do wiring, then does the wiring need to be concealed within the wall?  The electrician has yet to come in because If my understanding goes like this from my dad, the electrician is not from my area.  I'm not usually around to supervise the works so my dad does the supervision daily.
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I believe you like to concealed the wiring rather expose it with trunking. The contractor just need to chisel the wall for the trunking.
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post Nov 21 2013, 11:56 AM

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QUOTE(heowaihong @ Nov 21 2013, 10:28 AM)
Hi Ozak, please advise how to add another DB box at kitchen? Is it possible? Cost?

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This 1 you need to ask the electrician.

Of course it is possible to have another DB box in kitchen or anywhere.

For the cost, you have to do the calculation. Many wire running to the kitchen vs 1bigger wire + DB cost.

This post has been edited by ozak: Nov 21 2013, 11:56 AM
weikee
post Nov 21 2013, 11:58 AM

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QUOTE(S'aimer @ Nov 20 2013, 10:32 PM)
According to sales guy,  the overall or maximum power of the hob is 6000W which means using all 4 cooking zones at the same time. However each zone has different power rate for heating. For eg, Heating Element 4Rings: 2 Rings Ø180mm 1.8kW, 2 Rings Ø145mm 1.2kW. That is my understanding that I may not necessarily utilize all 4 zones at the same time for cooking everyday either so the usage is not going to be 6000W if I'm only utilizing 2 cooking zones at a time? I seldom see people utilize all 4 rings on a gas hob as usually they would utilize min 2 rings when it comes to wok frying etc.
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If you don't use 4 all the time, why buy 4 zone. Buy 3 or 2 zones better. There are hob that are wider even with 2 zones.
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post Nov 21 2013, 12:18 PM

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Like I mentioned before, cost, ergonomic design, brand are some of the factors in my purchasing decision.

Eg; a 2 zone hob is around 1k++ to 2k+ price range depending on the brand but the zones are spaced too closely for some types and cooking is harder with cookware side by side. I have 1 such type at my current place now. You seldom would see any people selling 2 zone hobs doing a demo on both zones at the same time?

For those with wider spacing. the cost is somewhere between 2.5k to 3k+ range. Same for induction hobs except the price is higher. rclxub.gif

In any case, I already purchased my hob and I'd like to think my purchase is a decent buy for the selling price and the ergonomic design. tongue.gif


QUOTE(weikee @ Nov 21 2013, 12:58 PM)
If you don't use 4 all the time, why buy 4 zone. Buy 3 or 2 zones better. There are hob that are wider even with 2 zones.
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post Nov 21 2013, 01:54 PM

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QUOTE(ozak @ Nov 21 2013, 11:56 AM)
This 1 you need to ask the electrician.

Of course it is possible to have another DB box in kitchen or anywhere.

For the cost, you have to do the calculation. Many wire running to the kitchen vs  1bigger wire + DB cost.
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If the cost not much diff, I would rather choose to hav another DB box at kitchen, no need to hack...
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post Nov 21 2013, 02:37 PM

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QUOTE(heowaihong @ Nov 21 2013, 01:54 PM)
If the cost not much diff, I would rather choose to hav another DB box at kitchen, no need to hack...
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Possible cheaper too. If the wire cost is different a lot. It is left the workmanship cost.
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post Nov 22 2013, 11:01 AM

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QUOTE(ozak @ Nov 21 2013, 02:37 PM)
Possible cheaper too. If the wire cost is different a lot. It is left the workmanship cost.
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So, means that there will be one thicker wire run from the original DB box to the new DB box?
Or, else where shld the input for the new DB box? FYI, my house is using underground cables by TNB...
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post Nov 22 2013, 11:42 AM

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QUOTE(heowaihong @ Nov 22 2013, 11:01 AM)
So, means that there will be one thicker wire run from the original DB box to the new DB box?
Or, else where shld the input for the new DB box? FYI, my house is using underground cables by TNB...
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You need two thick wires for live and neutral, one earth, and use 4mm for earth to reduce the resistance.
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post Nov 22 2013, 12:00 PM

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QUOTE(weikee @ Nov 22 2013, 11:42 AM)
You need two thick wires for live and neutral, one earth, and use 4mm for earth to reduce the resistance.
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weikee,

then, the 4mm wire sufficient for kitchen usage?

i am planning to hav:
1) one induction hob (2600W max)
2) Fridge
3) Microwave oven (small scale like 17 lt)
4) Electric oven (small scale also)
5) Exhaust fan, lighting (T5 x 2)
6) Washing machine.
7) Rice cooker
8) Slow cooker
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post Nov 22 2013, 11:00 PM

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QUOTE(heowaihong @ Nov 22 2013, 12:00 PM)
weikee,

then, the 4mm wire sufficient for kitchen usage?

i am planning to hav:
1) one induction hob (2600W max)
2) Fridge
3) Microwave oven (small scale like 17 lt)
4) Electric oven (small scale also)
5) Exhaust fan, lighting (T5 x 2)
6) Washing machine.
7) Rice cooker
8) Slow cooker
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Only one pair of 4mm, nope, better use at least 3 direct from fuse box, minimal 2.5mm is sufficient. Hob to be independent, the rest can evenly share out. Light & exhaust fan (unless you using industrial exhaust fan) are from another light mcb, not from the socket.
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post Nov 23 2013, 04:18 PM

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I was told by the electrician that a 2.5mm cable is sufficient up to 20amp while 4mm cable is up to 25amp..

A search on the Internet does say so: http://www.diynot.com/pages/el/el004.php

Should I go just for 2.5mm standard? He is charging RM 180 for 2.5mm and RM 380 for 4mm... I need to pull 3 of such wirings...
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any good wireman/electrician that is good in service with good pricing around PJ area?
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post Nov 24 2013, 08:48 AM

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4mm rm380 is really cut throat, i think your wireman is trying to discourage you to use the 4mm.

most wireman hardly carry 4mm i guess. anyway cost of 2.5mm per meter length material is around rm1.80-2.00 while 4.0mm is rm3.2-3.5.

generally in concealed environment 2.5mm is rated for 15A and 4.00m is 25A.

QUOTE(sw.boutique @ Nov 23 2013, 04:18 PM)
I was told by the electrician that a 2.5mm cable is sufficient up to 20amp while 4mm cable is up to 25amp..

A search on the Internet does say so: http://www.diynot.com/pages/el/el004.php

Should I go just for 2.5mm standard? He is charging RM 180 for 2.5mm and RM 380 for 4mm... I need to pull 3 of such wirings...
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post Nov 24 2013, 09:44 PM

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says now I ask the electrician to use 4mm cable for both my hobs... As these two are adjacent, one in wet and one in dry... How do I know if he really pulls 2 wires to it?

Testing by using circuit breaker?
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QUOTE(sw.boutique @ Nov 24 2013, 09:44 PM)
says now I ask the electrician to use 4mm cable for both my hobs... As these two are adjacent, one in wet and one in dry... How do I know if he really pulls 2 wires to it?

Testing by using circuit breaker?
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Yes, and hope he also pull two neutral.
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post Nov 24 2013, 10:59 PM

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QUOTE(weikee @ Nov 24 2013, 10:48 PM)
Yes, and hope he also pull two neutral.
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One neutral for each hob? How do I know if he pulls 2?

Anyway, one MCB is for one set of wiring of which all connected devices are wired to this set of wire?
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post Nov 24 2013, 11:34 PM

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QUOTE(sw.boutique @ Nov 24 2013, 10:59 PM)
One neutral for each hob? How do I know if he pulls 2?

Anyway, one MCB is for one set of wiring of which all connected devices are wired to this set of wire?
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You won't know, have to trust him.

Yes, one MCB for one set, if you trip your MCB and 5 power socket got no power, that mean one MCB are loop to 5 power points.
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QUOTE(weikee @ Nov 24 2013, 11:34 PM)
You won't know, have to trust him.

Yes, one MCB for one set, if you trip your MCB and 5 power socket got no power, that mean one MCB are loop to 5 power points.
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Hi Weikee, btw, what do you mean by pulling two neutral actually? Are you saying one hob/oven point require two wires to the neutral point?
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post Nov 30 2013, 01:21 PM

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QUOTE(sw.boutique @ Nov 30 2013, 01:02 PM)
Hi Weikee, btw, what do you mean by pulling two neutral actually? Are you saying one hob/oven point require two wires to the neutral point?
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Every independent point need independent Live and Neutral. Ground can be share.
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QUOTE(weikee @ Nov 30 2013, 01:21 PM)
Every independent point need independent Live and Neutral. Ground can be share.
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Then you two neutral points mean what? For both my hob?

I got another guy to quote.

He will use 4mm cable for live and neutral, while the earth is 2.5mm... Is this ok? Each point will be pull from DB and has one independent MCB.

Are you saying this neutral to be shared between the 2 hobs?

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