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Investment 4 Critical Signs of a Bubble Market, Property Investment
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TScybermaster98
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Nov 15 2013, 11:14 AM, updated 12y ago
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The collapse of the US housing market bubble emphasizes how important it is to figure out what property is really worth, from a fundamental perspective. Make sure you’re not over-paying!
There are 4 yardsticks to avoid buying in bubble markets:
•Price to Rent Ratio (or Yield) •Relative Prices •Affordability •Price of new builds
VALUATION TOOL 1: THE PRICE TO RENT RATIO
The gross rental yield) is the housing parallel to the price/earnings ratio. Here is a set of rules of thumb for the housing market:
VALUATION YARDSTICKS FOR THE HOUSING MARKET
PRICE/RENT RATIO GROSS RENTAL YIELD (%) 5 20 Very undervalued 6.7 15 Very undervalued 8.3 12 Undervalued 10 10 Undervalued 12.5 8 Borderline undervalued 14.2 7 Fairly priced 16.7 6 Fairly priced 20 5 Borderline overvalued 25 4 Overvalued 33.3 3 Overvalued 40 2.5 Very overvalued 50 2 Very overvalued
But there are exceptions to this. When strong future growth in value is expected e.g in areas where transport infrastructure is being upgraded then relatively weak present earnings can be acceptable.
There are several good reasons why people should pay attention to the 'valuation parameters':
Higher rental yields push the housing market higher
If rental yield levels are high, this will tend to mean that the interest cost of buying a house is low, compared to the cost of renting a house:
•Potential buyers will pay less to borrow from the bank (in order to buy) than they pay when renting a house. Many will move from being renters to buyers. •Entrepreneurs will find it makes sense to buy houses to make money, i.e., buy in order to rent them out.
Both these factors put upward pressure on house prices.
Lower rental yields put downward pressure house prices
If rental yield levels are low, this will tend to mean that the interest cost of buying a house is high, compared to the cost of renting a house:
•Potential buyers will find that to buy a house involves paying much more to the bank, than it costs to rent a house. Buyers, especially first-time buyers, may have difficulty financing housing. Banks will be worried about over-lending at loan-to-income ratios which mean that a slight increase in interest rates will mean financial crisis for the borrower. •Entrepreneurs will find that buying-to-let won't pay.
The house price can be viewed as a kind of circle, with houses prices moving from yields of (say) 4% to 11%
•Yields shifting down to 4% would represent danger. •Yields rising to 11% would signal opportunity.
VALUATION TOOL 2: RELATIVE PRICES
People tend to actively look for cheaper and better alternatives. Where houses are very highly priced, people will seek more affordable alternatives. So if you’re buying property that’s amazingly expensive on a sqaure foot basis compared to its surrounding developments – BEWARE!
VALUATION TOOL 3: AFFORDABILITY
If house prices are so high that few people can actually afford to buy them, then their value will likely fall in future. A reasonable measure of value is a country’s GDP per capita. In a country where the ratio of house prices to GDP/capita is high, it’s a fair bet that houses are overvalued.
Relative to GDP/Capita levels: •House prices in Luxembourg, Belgium, Norway, Denmark and Austria seem cheap. •House prices in the UK, Italy, France and the Netherlands seem comparatively expensive.
VALUATION TOOL 4: PRICE OF NEW BUILDS
If house prices are much higher than the cost of building (construction costs), developers are motivated to put up buildings. So when you see a rush by developers to build, that’s a danger sign. As new supply comes into the housing market, that tends to put pressure on prices. So when house prices are far greater than new-build costs, it's a very clear signal that prices are likely to come down.
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TScybermaster98
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Nov 15 2013, 11:33 AM
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QUOTE(Kevin Chan @ Nov 15 2013, 11:23 AM) and .... who's gonna pluck some Malaysia number in ? U don't need any numbers for specific countries. This is a general article written for all markets in general. The 4 signs are very real.
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TScybermaster98
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Nov 15 2013, 11:34 AM
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QUOTE(Skywing1981 @ Nov 15 2013, 11:33 AM) in short, a bubble is otw I think the bubble is already here. Its just a matter of when and how bad the burst is gonna be. Some areas may experience major drops in prices while others may only experience stagnation.
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TScybermaster98
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Nov 15 2013, 11:38 AM
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20 Very undervalued 15 Very undervalued 12 Undervalued 10 Undervalued 8 Borderline undervalued 7 Fairly priced 6 Fairly priced 5 Borderline overvalued 4 Overvalued 3 Overvalued 2.5 Very overvalued 2 Very overvalued
Just look at the numbers right next to the wordings. Ive amended above.
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TScybermaster98
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Nov 15 2013, 11:47 AM
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QUOTE(Glcotan @ Nov 15 2013, 11:43 AM) it will be depending on the financing cost/interest rate also. This is gross rental yield. Not net.
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TScybermaster98
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Nov 15 2013, 11:48 AM
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QUOTE(Kevin Chan @ Nov 15 2013, 11:46 AM) lets check how many page before this get close ...
everyday, bubble, UUU, DDD, budget effect ... not bored one meh ? It wont get closed if everybody can comment in a mature manner. Articles and discussions like these are meant to educate.
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TScybermaster98
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Nov 15 2013, 11:50 AM
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QUOTE(tat3179 @ Nov 15 2013, 11:49 AM) And what's the average yield of rental nowadays? 4%? 3%?  Yes about 4%.
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TScybermaster98
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Nov 15 2013, 11:53 AM
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QUOTE(skyp @ Nov 15 2013, 11:50 AM) somehow i feel landed property will stay strong a bit longer.. Yes agreed. Landed property generally has better sustaining power while condo's provide quicker rate of return.
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TScybermaster98
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Nov 15 2013, 01:46 PM
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QUOTE(ProPStaR @ Nov 15 2013, 12:31 PM) Great but a few comments as below •Price to Rent Ratio (or Yield) the yield has taken US as a yardstick in which current yield is extremely high after the collapse of the housing bubble. In malaysia yield is dropping. in fact it is hard to find a property in which rental can cover monthly installment. i would say 5-6% yield is reasonable based on the nett mortgage interest of 4.2%. •Relative Prices This is again has taken US as a yardstick. Generally i would have agreed to this but in malaysia property isn't just a normal roof over the head. Lifestyle property with unique selling point has been a great hit. So while i agree to take this relative prices approach, i would still consider premium price to be paid for unique product. Otherwise, there is nothing to judge the price of fernel which has been a great hit. •Affordability Totally agree with this. but affordability has also been boosted due to low interest rate in our country. It is not just depend on the GDP/ house price •Price of new builds Agree, however information is not available to us. Bro, im sure you know that sales of new launches are never a yardstick of the future capital appreciation rite? That's just the herd mentality. Sometimes the herd is right but sometimes the herd can be dead wrong. Watch National Geographic and ull see some resemblance. Fennel is a good product if investors have the holding power to go beyond 2017. If not, they are treading on dangerous water. Same as those who rushed to buy Tropicana Gardens in Kota Damansara. Many of them are very happy with their paper gains. But will these paper gains translate into actual subsale upon VP? We'll have to wait and see.
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TScybermaster98
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Nov 15 2013, 01:47 PM
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QUOTE(joeblows @ Nov 15 2013, 01:00 PM) Interest rate can be changed at any time.
In fact, given that it is in record lows - I (in agreement with most experts) only see it going up soon. Havent seen you around for some time. How have u been? its been a while eh?
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TScybermaster98
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Nov 15 2013, 01:50 PM
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QUOTE(limch @ Nov 15 2013, 01:20 PM) People will always complain the high price of property. In fact, people never stop complaining about high prices. They all regret ten year later that they did not buy. This story repeats and repeats. Study the history, learn from the history.
For own stay, ability to hold is the key because the value of the house will remain unlock unless you sell the house.
People are getting wiser. Gone is the low share prices during economic meltdown. I don't see anybody complaining about high property prices (at least not on this thread). High property prices is not an issue compared to high and unsustainable prices. You need to know the difference. Besides, im also a property investor but a very prudent one. I was looking to purchase my 5th before end of this year but with the latest news, ive adopted a wait and see approach.
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TScybermaster98
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Nov 15 2013, 01:52 PM
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QUOTE(mlpk @ Nov 15 2013, 12:50 PM) Not to forget about the following that add burden
1) increasing BLR (increase blr 0.50 up soon) 2) increasing Electricity (in talking to increase of 19% next year) 3) Increasing petrol (propose to uplift subsidy and free float base on market price). 4) Increasing Assesment ( in progress already) 5) Difficult to get loan 6) GST 7) Housing loan have to paid up by 10 years No housing loans need to be paid up in 10 years. This clause is only for the refinanced amount that's greater than the original loan amount.
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TScybermaster98
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Nov 15 2013, 03:38 PM
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QUOTE(joeblows @ Nov 15 2013, 03:28 PM) Good, my friend. Btw, since you are another TTDI kaki, you may be interested: Since I informed my agent contacts that I'm looking for good-value props around TTDI, phone has been ringing non-stop with news of 2 auction units in TTDI. 1 unit 2000sf TTDI Plaza 910k 1 unit 1700sf Sinaran TTDI 950k Both non-bumi, agents desperate to do a deal. Seems like subsales is plenty slow. Those prices are close to 2010 prices IIRC..... Already viewed the sinaran one. Just next to LRT but again next to LRT track too! LOL....so got pros and cons. Aiyo! Not these 2 condo's la. Very poor sales / capital appreciation. Hold many years also not sure if can make any profit. These 2 condo's good for own stay only. TTDI Plaza is the worst. Bad feng shui. None of the retail outlets there are doing well. So many change of owners. Dunno what's wrong with that place. Anyway, those prices are the starting auction prices rite? Furnished or bare? This post has been edited by cybermaster98: Nov 15 2013, 03:42 PM
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TScybermaster98
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Nov 18 2013, 09:11 AM
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I think besides the possible hike in the BLR, next year would also see a hike in the stamp duty.
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TScybermaster98
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Nov 18 2013, 01:22 PM
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QUOTE(Seremban_2 @ Nov 18 2013, 12:31 PM) Dear Friend out there,
-BLR increase to -BLR 7.0 onwards, Cukai Tanah & Cukai Pintu Increase, Developer producing supply of houses in volumme year by year, stricter bank loan and etc etc.
When all these factor will bring down the subsales price especially the High End Houses then it will have a good bargain in subsales property. What u mean -BLR7.0?????
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TScybermaster98
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Nov 18 2013, 01:25 PM
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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Nov 18 2013, 11:30 AM) What will happen if stamp duty raised to 10% for subsell? Add to selling price? When there is a slump, it naturally means that it becomes a buyers market. So sellers need to improvise in order to make a sale e.g lowering price, renovating, offering better quality furnishings, etc. Its already a renters market now and in some areas its already a buyers market. That's why its actually quite scary to see ppl buying up new launches with the herd mentality without doing proper research.
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TScybermaster98
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Nov 18 2013, 02:18 PM
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QUOTE(New Klang @ Nov 18 2013, 01:37 PM) scary? not doing research? other people"s money. not our concern. It is our concern. This is the type of mentality which brings about property slumps and crashes. If everybody is a smart investor, would we have property crashes? We will have slumps as a natural cycle but not property crashes.
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TScybermaster98
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Nov 18 2013, 05:26 PM
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QUOTE(New Klang @ Nov 18 2013, 03:32 PM) If you predict weakness, you should keep quiet, be ready and take advantage.
I would. We can only take advantage if its a slump and not a major crash. Major crashes especially with prolonged periods of recession will result in an economic collapse. When that happens, taking advantage of cheap properties will not be your primary objective. Survival will.
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TScybermaster98
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Nov 18 2013, 05:28 PM
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QUOTE(Seremban_2 @ Nov 18 2013, 03:14 PM) BLR increase same as Monthly installment increase and it will squeeze the family income monthly. This will encourage more selling than buying in near future. I wasn't asking about the effects of a BLR increase. I was asking what he meant by -BLR 7.0.
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TScybermaster98
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Nov 19 2013, 08:59 AM
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QUOTE(Drian @ Nov 18 2013, 06:20 PM) The main reason buyer can hold is because of low interest rates. Make it higher and then they'll start selling Yes that's true but a simple rise of 50 basis points will not add much pressure on owners to sell. I think the real problem for owners will begin when the BLR hits 8.0%. Most investors with multiple properties wouldn't be able to withstand interest rates at this stage. Even I will be in trouble. But I don't see the BLR increasing beyond 7.1% in 2014.
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