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post Sep 10 2008, 05:21 AM

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A question here. Is Microsoft Front Page enough to make a good commercial website? I've learned Front Page a long time ago and have never learn other web development software such as dreamwaver.
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post Sep 10 2008, 10:49 AM

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QUOTE(cybermick @ Sep 8 2008, 08:18 PM)
guys & gals, i got my blog template enhanced by a prominent blogger in malaysia about a year ago. charges were reasonable and he done everything without meeting me. now im thinking to do a facelift again, any web designer willing to take up the job and kindly PM me your quote.

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QUOTE(R4yMoNd @ Sep 10 2008, 03:53 AM)
how much should i charge my client for an e-commerce website (joomla or oscommerce) with light template modification?
she is my ex lecturer who wanna open online business. pls let me know whats the market range in Malaysia. n im not a professional web designer
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Not a professional web designer + light template modification. Charge for installation, modification time and training. Around RM1000-1500 max.

But best is you work out your own hourly rate to be more precise.

QUOTE(Federer @ Sep 10 2008, 05:21 AM)
A question here. Is Microsoft Front Page enough to make a good commercial website? I've learned Front Page a long time ago and have never learn other web development software such as dreamwaver.
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To make a good commercial website, you need to know and understand what makes the website function. And yes, I'm talking about the code. Frontpage can only lead you to a certain point and you're going to still have to ask for guidance on custom development stuff later. Thus, my answer is; No.

Anyway, good commercial websites are built on other developer tools (Notepad++ or etc). Developers in selected companies use Dreamweaver because the company assume it's the right developer tool. However, I believe good developers know the difference of using Dreamweaver and other development tools. So I don't want to discuss about it here. If you want, you could search for it in this forum first then create a new topic (if necessary).
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post Sep 11 2008, 12:41 AM

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QUOTE(etsuko @ Sep 10 2008, 10:49 AM)
LO! Mike, smahpop helped you kar? tongue.gif
Not a professional web designer + light template modification. Charge for installation, modification time and training. Around RM1000-1500 max.

But best is you work out your own hourly rate to be more precise.
To make a good commercial website, you need to know and understand what makes the website function. And yes, I'm talking about the code. Frontpage can only lead you to a certain point and you're going to still have to ask for guidance on custom development stuff later. Thus, my answer is; No.

Anyway, good commercial websites are built on other developer tools (Notepad++ or etc). Developers in selected companies use Dreamweaver because the company assume it's the right developer tool. However, I believe good developers know the difference of using Dreamweaver and other development tools. So I don't want to discuss about it here. If you want, you could search for it in this forum first then create a new topic (if necessary).
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Anyway, don't use notepad if you are coding. Use wordpad. Notepad will make an internal server error if you using it to write for php or cgi/perl script. Remember to upload using ASCII instead of BINARY format.
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post Sep 11 2008, 12:50 AM

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i use notepad to edit PHP files occasionally (fast loading mah) and have no problem with it but notepad is a horrible editor to use for development la. smile.gif
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post Sep 11 2008, 12:57 AM

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No... it's actually the best editor for development easy to use and navigate but actually lack of line ruler
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post Sep 11 2008, 12:00 PM

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I don't use Notepad per say but Notepad++. tongue.gif
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post Sep 11 2008, 12:32 PM

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Anyone could estimate works like this cost how much ?
PS: If without the flash menu thingy is it better ?

This post has been edited by danilo5753: Sep 11 2008, 12:34 PM
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post Sep 11 2008, 03:23 PM

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QUOTE(etsuko @ Sep 11 2008, 12:00 PM)
I don't use Notepad per say but Notepad++. tongue.gif
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i agree with this one. notepad++ is one of the best text editors i've used
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post Sep 12 2008, 07:28 PM

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nah... not smashpop though... splashmilk did it for me...
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post Sep 15 2008, 09:44 AM

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Hi~

How much is the market price for HTML website? (15-25 pages)
E-commerce website also, for freelancer.

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thanks!
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post Sep 19 2008, 03:38 PM

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what do u think of this website?

www.bubbleebizz.com.my

honest comment are appreciated

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post Oct 3 2008, 11:46 AM

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QUOTE(danilo5753 @ Sep 11 2008, 12:32 PM)
Anyone could estimate works like this  cost how much ?
PS: If without the flash menu thingy is it better ?
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this website is using template so wont cost much with or without flash ... template you can download anywhere or you can buy from templatemoster for 40 to 200+ USD you can go check it out



QUOTE(iamzacky @ Sep 19 2008, 03:38 PM)
what do u think of this website?

www.bubbleebizz.com.my

honest comment are appreciated
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overall is ok is just the colour ... need to tweak
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post Oct 3 2008, 02:14 PM

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colour and content needs tweaking.

i also did not immediately get the point of the site when i opened it. had to look aorund 1st. that shows poor planning of the site.
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post Oct 4 2008, 02:19 PM

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thanks for your feedbacks.

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i also did not immediately get the point of the site when i opened it. had to look aorund 1st. that shows poor planning of the site.


are you saying i need to have a focus point or something? wats your solution?

and color huh....hmmm ok...will change it later. but wats with the content? care to elaborate?

hey we should have a thread about website review thingy smile.gif because this seems to be a little out of topic
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post Oct 4 2008, 03:53 PM

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my solution?

its not easy to give a simple solution here. to design a site you need to consider many factors.

just think yourself as the visitor. would you know right away that it is what it actually is?
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post Oct 4 2008, 05:03 PM

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i think i understand.
u r right on the considering lots of factors.
doing it is one thing. to convince your buta-it boss is one hard job for me to do because of my bad explanation skills tongue.gif
will update it once work start
thanks
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post Oct 5 2008, 02:31 PM

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no problem =)

make sure you put enough thinking into your designs. that is the most important part of design.
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post Oct 20 2008, 08:53 PM

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i'm working as freelance web designer too... but we work as a team... so anything goes fine and professional. we also had e-Learning n etc. here is my website -> www.firdausluct.com
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post Nov 6 2008, 10:09 AM

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post Nov 6 2008, 10:22 AM

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QUOTE(danilo5753 @ Sep 11 2008, 12:32 PM)
Anyone could estimate works like this  cost how much ?
PS: If without the flash menu thingy is it better ?
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QUOTE(iamzacky @ Sep 19 2008, 03:38 PM)
what do u think of this website?

www.bubbleebizz.com.my

honest comment are appreciated
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Graphic wise, I give you A.
Functionality wise, I give you F.
The first rule in web design is for any visitor, not just your targeted visitor, is to get the gist of your website, and the benefits they will get from your service/product in which you offer from your website, within the first few crucial seconds.
Mysoft is too simple until i have no idea what it offers.
Bubbleebizz is too clouted with stuffs and images, even the background too, and too many links.
For these two sites, I have to click on ABOUT US to know what you guys are offering.
So an F is for you two tongue.gif

QUOTE(Ah Fei @ Oct 20 2008, 08:53 PM)
i'm working as freelance web designer too... but we work as a team... so anything goes fine and professional. we also had e-Learning n etc. here is my website -> www.firdausluct.com
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This is good. But why IluvIslam.com is advertised at the top of your site?
You did well in highlighting what you do, but still fall short of answering the most pertinent question: why must I choose you?
Also, your add : IluvIslam.com is really unprofessional. Not about religion here, but its about RELEVANCY.
For reciprocal links, normally it would be done on a "Partners" section or "Portfolios". Not simply at the top whereby this site (by the domain name itself) doesn't indicate anything to do with Web Design or your professional services.
It looks as though you are eager to promote religion more than doing business.

My 2 cents. smile.gif

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