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Why you should do compounds and freeweights, Screw machines unless necessary
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TSdarklight79
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Jun 13 2006, 10:09 AM, updated 20y ago
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I'll eat your food
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People consistently forget that bodymass and strength are stimulated in 2 distinctly different ways
1) Directly 2) Indirectly/systematically
Directly is easy....you do a set of biceps curls, your brain says "ouch, shit, my biceps hurt, let's build some strength and muscle there to prepare for this so that next time it doesn't hurt"
Indirectly/systematically is where people get hung up. You do a set of squats, and directly, your brain says "ouch, my quads hurt, let's build some muscle there. Damn, so do my hammies, let's add some muscle there. Oh shit, my ass hurts, we need to put some muscle there. Egads, my back and traps are sore now too, that bar feels heavy, let's add muscle there. Good god, I feel like I'm getting squashed....that...weight...balance...heavy...lord helpmeplease...RED ALERT!!!!RED ALERT!!!"
as a result, signals are sent throughout the body to stimulate overall strength and development. This happens with barbells and dumbbells, NOT SO WITH MACHINES!
Machines isolate body parts, which is unwanted when doing heavy compound excercise such as squats...compound ex. stimulate not only the primary muscles but also the other secondary muscles allowing for more growth overall..i have also found that CERTAIN machine dont offer a correct path of movement, such as smith machines, they r terrible for military presses because at the bottom of the ROM the bar moves away from the body and causes injury.
This post has been edited by darklight79: Jun 13 2006, 10:15 AM
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Lurker
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Jun 13 2006, 11:26 AM
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L U R K I N G
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QUOTE(darklight79 @ Jun 13 2006, 10:09 AM) People consistently forget that bodymass and strength are stimulated in 2 distinctly different ways 1) Directly 2) Indirectly/systematically Directly is easy....you do a set of biceps curls, your brain says "ouch, shit, my biceps hurt, let's build some strength and muscle there to prepare for this so that next time it doesn't hurt" Indirectly/systematically is where people get hung up. You do a set of squats, and directly, your brain says "ouch, my quads hurt, let's build some muscle there. Damn, so do my hammies, let's add some muscle there. Oh shit, my ass hurts, we need to put some muscle there. Egads, my back and traps are sore now too, that bar feels heavy, let's add muscle there. Good god, I feel like I'm getting squashed....that...weight...balance...heavy...lord helpmeplease...RED ALERT!!!!RED ALERT!!!"as a result, signals are sent throughout the body to stimulate overall strength and development. This happens with barbells and dumbbells, NOT SO WITH MACHINES! Machines isolate body parts, which is unwanted when doing heavy compound excercise such as squats...compound ex. stimulate not only the primary muscles but also the other secondary muscles allowing for more growth overall..i have also found that CERTAIN machine dont offer a correct path of movement, such as smith machines, they r terrible for military presses because at the bottom of the ROM the bar moves away from the body and causes injury. Sounds like SM
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TSdarklight79
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Jun 13 2006, 12:15 PM
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I'll eat your food
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QUOTE(Lurker @ Jun 13 2006, 11:26 AM) Sounds like SM  What's SM?
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malaysianPotato
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Jun 13 2006, 12:23 PM
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I need more space to write stuff here...
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QUOTE(darklight79 @ Jun 13 2006, 12:15 PM) What's SM?  sadism & masochism?
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TSdarklight79
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Jun 13 2006, 12:26 PM
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I'll eat your food
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QUOTE(malaysianPotato @ Jun 13 2006, 12:23 PM) Oh... he should've put S & M. Well, squats do hurt like a b**** though.
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LYFfan
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Jun 14 2006, 01:46 PM
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Getting Started

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QUOTE(darklight79 @ Jun 13 2006, 12:26 PM) Oh... he should've put S & M. Well, squats do hurt like a b**** though. Especially if u got tendonitis plus previously torn ACL. Waah, the pain is like that which only true masochists would enjoy.
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malaysianPotato
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Jun 14 2006, 03:49 PM
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I need more space to write stuff here...
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QUOTE(LYFfan @ Jun 14 2006, 01:46 PM) Especially if u got tendonitis plus previously torn ACL. Waah, the pain is like that which only true masochists would enjoy.  or if you've had to have your knee reconstructed...
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JackX
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Jun 14 2006, 07:32 PM
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I remember I fell on my back after the 20th squat
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TSdarklight79
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Jun 14 2006, 11:05 PM
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I'll eat your food
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QUOTE(JackX @ Jun 14 2006, 07:32 PM) I remember I fell on my back after the 20th squat  Holy shit! Why didn't you use a power rack??!!
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FleshWound
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Jun 15 2006, 07:42 AM
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Getting Started

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JackX lives to tell the story!
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pizzaboy
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Jun 15 2006, 08:59 AM
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Look at all my stars!!
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20 reps? ......wohh
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goliath
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Jun 15 2006, 10:20 AM
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any websites to show proper way of weightlifting?? i'm doing transition from machine to freeweights now. but not sure whether is it a correct position or not This post has been edited by goliath: Jun 15 2006, 10:21 AM
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TSdarklight79
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Jun 15 2006, 10:24 AM
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I'll eat your food
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QUOTE(goliath @ Jun 15 2006, 10:20 AM) any websites to show proper way of weightlifting?? i'm doing transition from machine to freeweights now. but not sure whether is it a correct position or not  bb.com. Type exercise guide at the search engine.
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TSdarklight79
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Sep 9 2006, 04:48 PM
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I'll eat your food
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BUMP
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jones007
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Sep 9 2006, 06:37 PM
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hmmm.. i joined and gym which owned by a friend of my mother.. and all i play is using the machines.. and i find it quite effective so my question is.. can i rely 100% on machines to build up? or i need to do some dumbell lifts myself?
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nezzy
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Sep 9 2006, 06:41 PM
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QUOTE(jones007 @ Sep 9 2006, 06:37 PM) hmmm.. i joined and gym which owned by a friend of my mother.. and all i play is using the machines.. and i find it quite effective so my question is.. can i rely 100% on machines to build up? or i need to do some dumbell lifts myself? which machines do u use?
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jones007
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Sep 9 2006, 06:59 PM
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erm.. i dono le.. all types.. each machine are only for specific muscles only.. so i basicly use almost everything la..
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bata
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Sep 9 2006, 07:35 PM
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damnn la......my knee sakit when doing squats again..... any idea why?? maybe my posture??
Chow.
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iDk
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Sep 9 2006, 10:20 PM
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not to offence gym machine user, but the machine really kind of useless. It dont give you the proper path way of lifting or moment. For those old schooler, they said machine is for sissy.
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bata
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Sep 10 2006, 03:11 AM
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my gym only hav machines~~~ haihhh....what to do..... then im a sissy la like tat >.<
Chow.
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