Hye ~ i am planning to buy a car ~ currently using MYVi 1.3 (2010) ~ And personally I like 308Turbo for a long time ago ~ hahah ~ kinda my dream car (that i can buy) ~ 2ndhand value for 2010 308 Turbo is around 60k - 70k ~ worth it or better buy new preve?

Or any other option for car less than rm70k ? I gonna sell my myvi so my downpayment is quite high ~

This post has been edited by mr.hikano: Oct 22 2013, 05:51 PM

look for 6 speeder 308. pls be aware of conti's maintenance before u dcide to own one.

308 Turbo,a problematic car,Peugeot in Malaysia is notorious for its service problems,do think twice!add a little bit buy Vios J,Rio,Almera,at least it's new

Hey. Mind to elaborate more on the problematic part? Just curious to know.

yup ~ may i know the problem with 308T??

actually almera not bad ~ only the exterior ~ but if we put some bodykit ~ better

read here
http://kereta.info/peugeot-308-turbo-probl...d-308-for-sale/

Depends on your luck. If you are normal driver and NEVER pedal to the metal, and never rev until 4800rpm, then the problem is minimised..

308T, prepare for knocking.
If taken care well, is a great car.
After 3 years of owning, it became reliable.
Although during the 3 years, lots of problem.
Like constantly flat battery, water pump problem and etc.

My dad regularly use fuel addictive to reduce the knocking.
Which reduce but not preventing it from happening again.

I drove it before, quite nice. (mum's car)
Only like the acceleration, which make it easy to merge into lane.

preve was lousy, same as suprima s, I mean the build quality, the plastic came off when my pants cling on the panel below the seat... and the door panel can move when I try to feel the material, although it's not hard plastic, but I felt unreliable. More of is the car was too high tech, you need to put your remote into the car before pressing the push start button??? WTF?? Then what's the point of the push start button? Why not make conventional key instead... The push start button is for our convenient to not look for our keys in our bag or pocket, but proton use old BMW tech which is put the key only press the push start button which is totally time waster... and one more important thing is the whole car is on electronic lock, which means there's no manual lock on each side of the door, and it can be opened by pulling two times at the door... worst part is, if the battery died, will the lock works??? The sales man even told me this car has higher hp than altis, and I thought doesn't our law in this country max speed is only 110km/h is allowed? More is this car comes with timing belt!! Although it's proven quieter than timing chain, but if you were the customer you want a timing belt or timing chain? Even 2005 myvi is with timing chain, have they complain that it's loud than a saga?? For that kind of money, I rather spend on low spec honda city plus the discount given just few Ks more than cfe preve... or cheaper than the SS. Just my point of view after looking at the car, don't pump me kao kao ya... XP

Speaking of pug 308T , I JUST saw one white pearl one today, a lady of early 30s was driving it....Very nice...I was behind it quite long....NOT because I wanted to because it was jam the two lanes....and not that I was complaining too as the butt is quite sexy....the bonnet there got a silver like metal across it , horizontally.... and the way the rear light side it curves like the girl's hip. thats the cute part.

Turbo written below the 308....

Honestly....it does look like a sporty lady's car to me...I tot the car look great with a lady driver in it cuz the car doesnt look aggressive but sorta smallish sporty in a pretty one.



This post has been edited by wayfeel: Oct 22 2013, 07:51 PM

French car? Avoid unless u really a die hard.

Y r french car (or european car in general?) so bad meh? maintenance or durability problem?

I have 3 units of Renault Kangoo and in 1 year, spent close to RM 30k just to maintain them. Everything so damn expensive and parts hard to find. Even halfcut also expensive.

If u clueless about cars, avoid every French marque. When there's a problem, u need a reliable workshop to help out.

Man....I like your review. brutally honest and alot of facial expression there . But it doesn't change what most other ppl think of the car but good honest contribution though. I hope ppl will consider what you say as well but let's all not be too dramatic here shall we hehe

then it is both maintenance (very expensive repairs tere, mate) and durability problem then....since it's rare, of course, its only logic that the parts r Much less accessible....even recon jdm also abit uncommon de and koreans too, what more frenchtoast....my fren had a inokom atos...i think that'll be his last kimchi ever....

regarding the durability, i think those frenchtoast r made for relatively 'colder ' climate country especially the car parts/componenet, so when u bring over/import to msia to use in Msia climate.....erm....go figure

Damn scary man.....good heads up for those who want to consider used pug 308T.

but is there a way to check ont he usage/durability of the turbo and the chain? and is chain so easily break one meh.... how much horsepower tis car oh....lol

I dont think its the weather issue. U watch Top Gear also they always joke about French car will break down easily. True also cause when they do challenges with used french car , it does break down. Same with british car

A Pug 308T year 2010 should be without manufacturer warranty while a new Preve with 5 years manufacturer warranty.

If vehicle maintenance in term of parts, wear and tear are your main concern, you might have the answer now.

While European have the best test for cars... they don't last long. Then again, Europeans tend to change cars every 2-3 years because they don't bother fixing. Cars over there are cheap and when there's a problem, they simply junk it.

Don't buy used French cars especially Peugeot. If you want to know the answer, go ask experienced mechanics and used car dealers. If you want to buy Peugeot, buy new and within the warranty period. Preve Turbo is good value.

ahhh, another dude falling in love with the double edged 308T.

Performance wise
Preve's 'soft' turbo is no match at all compared to 308's twin scroll.

BUT, and it's a big one, the 308's ridiculously high rate engine problems is something you should not take lightly. It's a gamble.

If you decided it, good luck to you, as you will need lots of 'em.

308T is a great machine within the budget. However, avoid eariler batch with 4 speeder.
If you have some knowledge abt car or have no issue to spend times to diagnose the car most of the time. Go for this lovely pretty.
Else or u just wan a 4 rolling wheels vehicle on the rd or u have limit knowledge on car, avoid this double-edge blade. Moreover, this usedcar have no longer in warranty.

Lol!!! Pug is sold all over the world and is famous in hot harsh desert Iran as the locals there luxury dream cars. Even if the Pug doesn't last long, it is still using a globally recognised engine & gearbox.

As for TS:
Preve/Suprima Turbo, the engine design is taken by modifying old MMC 4G92 engine. When MMC merged with Chrysler and wanted to heal its ruined reputation, they took back almost everything from P1. That was when the S4 Campo engine was made after 4G15 is banned from Wajunk. Its turbocharger is obsolete wastegate type turbo that most brands no longer use them due to lag and prone to carbon buildup. Preve/Suprima turbo could only start spinning from 2000rpm or higher, depends on gas pressure. On certain sudden deceleration and needs to accelerate again, the gas pressure might need much higher RPM to spin turbine.

FC wise, refinement and proper turbo go to Pug's Prince THP engine. Want to go for car with turbo, make sure it is Variable Geometry Turbocharger or Twin-scroll Turbocharger that could operate from lower RPM as in Pug THP at 1400rpm with no more lag. Check with Pug owners especially newer batch on maintenance. The earlier Pugs, there have been incompatible issue with our hot & humid climate. The new ones, if they are willing to check our weather and come up with proper parts that could withstand our heat, they should be ok. Can't help you on this as my tech buddies have left Pug technical few years ago.

This post has been edited by jayraptor: Oct 23 2013, 11:39 AM

So many techinal terms ya... haha
Anythg to do with the weather?

White is exclusive for Turbo. There's no white 308 VTi.

I'm currently owning a AT4 308T for more than 3 years now. Yes, there were problems. Yes, the maintenance and parts are on the expensive side. And yes, if I were to choose again, I will still choose 308T.

Keep living in your ideal world. Why is it everytime you open your mouth rubbish just flows right out of it?

I am with you, Pogostik. I also own the 4-speeder 308T. Had some depollution errors during the warranty period but the parts was replaced by Nasim satisfactorily. I had a good SC last time which was KS Service. Maintenance actually is not very expensive because you only service the car every 10k km or 2x/year. Each service costs around RM400+ which is actually comparable with the Honda City VTEC 2005 which I previously owned.

As for the blog posted earlier, yes, there were some manufacturing problems in the earlier 308T which caused the timing chain to break. My timing chain is still running good, however there could be some problems with the chain tightener which can loosen and cause depollution problems. There is also a guy on the AW forum, Chargerguy, who is a Pug expert and he has helped me solve several problems.

The parts can be expensive if bought directly from the authorised SC but its cheaper outside. Chargerguy can also help source out cheaper spare parts. Overall, I have enjoyed driving the 308T. It's very stable at high speeds and the turbo is quite addictive. Like Pogostik said, if I were to choose again, I will still choose 308T.

If you want a real honest answer, no matter how, avoid the Peugeot, if not you will be really regret. My colleague was one of the victim, he bought the 308 VTi in 2010 and this car back to service centre not less than 30 times, engine problem, gearbox problem, air cond problems, non-stop until the day he traded-in for another ride and in these 2 years time he lost damn a lot of times, money....... think carefully!

Try not to go for uncertained vehicles which will bring you problems later on. Why not buy new? Nasim's after-sales are notoriously known to be poor, and in the even of a breakdown and parts need to be replaced, it's not only you are paying more for these replacement parts but the possibility that you may need to wait for several weeks for the parts to be available. Few friends who owned Peugeot don't have much good words for it when it comes to reliability and maintenance. When it comes to driving, it can be good. But when problem crops up after warranty period, then you will feel it. Especially if warranty period is over.

The Preve is quite a solid car with decent handling. Only the Turbo engine is not very refined and loud but guess that is what to expect for a vehicle that's below RM70k. Brand new you have peace of mind.

And I believe Proton's after-sales service is anytime better than Peugeot Nasim's too.

308 prince engine ka? heard very problematic wooo

we own a white 308T in my family, and it is one of the most problematic car..

Aircond broke down less than a year and i saw the bill to change the thermometer and cooling fins.. RM4.5k++ (under warranty) and even so.. we had to wait for 1 month and had to drive without air cond due to parts being brought in from France..

Even the windscreen water spray (left side) stopped working less than 2 years and again, had to wait for more than a month to change part.

Also, the air cond is very weak for the 308. i believe the air conditioning system was not made for a hot weather like what we have here. It takes significantly longer time to cool the car down.

In simple;
Preve is a normal girl with no surprise , normal maintenance, no kicks... = boring
308T is a wild girl, more tricks, heavier maintenance, always merajuk... = more excitement

What are you looking for?

How about the performance , is it comparable to 05 City vtec too?

At first , of course, I would immediately thought that the 308T can out accelerate the city vtec but after I came across 308T official 0-100 is 9.1s ....that reminded me of the city vtec launch by WKN was around 9.1s too...however, unofficial 0-60 time but it's close...

so I'm asking u since u own both cars

The Honda City can accelerate 0-100km/h in 9.1s? Stock std?

I believe so. but I m not 100% confirm. To verify, you have to dig abit from WongKN articles. he did a detailed write-up on the city vtec.

but it should be stock cuz he was testing various launch mode with the car and the best one was about 9.s....if modding it would defeat the purpose ady.

He is my friend. I will ask him. AFAIK, it takes about 11-12s to do 0-100km/h.

This post has been edited by htkaki: Oct 23 2013, 11:10 PM

Updates : It's the Jazz Hybrid (CBU). It clocked 9.9s. He can't remember the exact time for City iVTEC but definitely not that fast. So, I guess it is about 11-12s.

No. Cars like Vios/City reach the century sprint in 11s-12s. If its less than 10 seconds, lots of cars no need to sell liao.

We would see so many ah bengs on the road with Vios / City intimidating others to race everyday. LOL

Some people are so imaginative that they think there is a VTEC "kick" in a City 1.5. Gosh, fanboyism has reached new level~

I usually feel very respectful for most of your replies....very 'professional' kind of way but you really sound funny tonight

R u so enjoice putting down ppl? "LOL" somemore

Mistake can happen. and it's nthg to do with fanboyism...you're so dead wrong on that and u think u r so smart by mocking. but i can honestly tell you, if i was wrong, then it was my mistake of wrong memory or wrong reading. i'll try to find that article back if i could, but still, im telling u that u r wrong of so quick to coming to judge/mock ppl to feel superior. exaggeration somemore...what new level. is your life so lack of drama you've to dramatise your reply when u can simply point out that i'm wrong then I go back to check on my facts , if I was not lazy but I think I should for my own sake so that I can prove to myself if it was my memory really degrading on me....


=UPDATES=

the below is written by wongkn in his article May 2005 and all the 10 tries of 0-60mph are sub 9s

""As can be seen, the Jazz 1.5 VTEC returned quite unexpectedly good results, to me at least. It consistently did the 0-60mph run at a time of between 8.7 to 9.0 seconds for an average of just above 8.8 seconds !! This was really astonishing especially at the time I was doing the runs. By comparison, the 'reference' cars in the mid-sized and full-sized 'sports-sedan' segment, the Civic 2.0 i-VTEC and the local Accord 2.4 i-VTEC returned averaged times of 8.5 and 8.6 seconds respectively, not a lot faster than what the Jazz did !

This optimum acceleration rate and lack of gearshift are the 2 key factors to the great time of 8.8 seconds for the 0-60mph run."""

http://asia.vtec.net/Reviews/JazzVtec/

So, are you saying now....that many cars no need to sell liao and alot of driving honda city are ahbeng on the road race everyday?

Well, I own a 05 city vtec....I'm a car enthusiast but not a riceboy as my car is completely stock with only customised floor mat, a window visor, a cheaplak low profile duckbill spoiler and a tomcat exhaust (totally less than 1k spent on car modding in 8 years of ownership) which i eventually took down as i given the car to my mom to drive now but yes, I certainly like to play 'racing ' with drivers who always tiong other car for simply that I like speed to feel I'm alive...but that's about it. So you are wrong again about ahbeng becuz i'm far from it.


But actually , that u have mentioned it, I kinda doubt about that result that sub 9s is slightly far-fetched....however, i think high 9s is achieveble tho but surely will be inconsistent. but it is true that vtec city 05 is quicker than Sentra 1.6 auto, Altis 1.6 auto, Vios 1.5 auto, Switft 1.5 auto, Waja 1.6 auto, Gen2 auto on factory paper.

=UPDATE #2=

QUOTE
"Left foot on the brake pedal, lightly squeeze the throttle and feel the
gearbox tension up and let go of the brake for the launch"--- City Vtech
Article

"Looking at the chart, the effect of a good and not so good run can be
clearly seen. The two data points on the 'wrong side' of 11 seconds were
from a less than optimal launch. But once I developed a 'feel' for the
launching method, it was relatively easy to get it consistently right and
this is clearly shown by the majority of the runs delivering times below
11 seconds"--- City idsi Performance check article.

Another site edmunds.com in their 2007 article, tested the jazz 0-60mph sprint for 9.3s

Economy and power
Both trim levels for this front-drive, five-door hatchback (the Fit is offered in base and Sport trim) feature a 1.5-liter, 109-horsepower VTEC four-cylinder engine. Delivering 105 pound-feet of torque at 4,800 rpm, it posted a 9.3-second, 0-60-mph sprint.



This post has been edited by wayfeel: Oct 24 2013, 03:09 AM

It's not the jazz hybrid that does this...it's the 05 vtec jazz and also not the i-vtec city but the 05 city vtec....they r both very capable of hitting sub 10s. I'm sure, as when i accelerated from standstill, the car kinda squated. the hybrid i don't know . so is the current city....they r not as powerful as the 05 city vtec....my friends of current city admit themselves because it no longer uses the CVT of 05 city which contributed to the quick n responsive engine...somehow. you own the 05 vtec city, you should know what your car is capable of ...unless you didn't know the best launch mode or u less spirited driving with it? Apology if offended but I do like to stress again that the 05 city vtec is a very capable car for it's segment

I would rather try my luck on Preve or SuprimaS than Pug.

to these jap car fanboys all Peugeot is problematic.. u buy h&t it will never go wrong..godsends car!

Well,i'm not exactly know the problems but there a lot owners of 308T complaining about their car..
Check it out here,http://forum.autoworld.com.my/index.php?showforum=41
But every cars got their own problems but for peugeot it's entirely different story,its service center incapable to solve the electronic problems.Try to imagine when your car get problems and no Sc can fix it then sell it to second hand dealer at low price ..

watch to much top gear UK

In reply to your question, no the VTEC cannot out-accelerate the 308T. At high speeds the City feels floaty and wobbly. I know cos I have driven the City at up to 150 kn/h but don't dare go higher. The 308T, manage to drive near to 200+ km/h but don't really dare to look properly at the speedometer at that speed cos its freaking scary. Anyway, those speeds were done on a deserted highway at night.

he failed to mention that suprima/preve use low inertia turbo. peak torque at 2000rpm still can be considered as low and good enough. of course u cant compare with twin scroll or vgt.

0-100kmh possible to out run. but in real world 240nm at 1600rpm is very handy compared to na toque curve. especially in highest gear acceleration. in fact i never drive 1.6thp 0-100 in 9.1 sec everytime i drive 308t or 508.
gile ke ape.

Well I never officially timed the 2 cars. But like you said, the higher torque at lower rpm makes driving a lot easier.

you may opt for executive variant which equipped with normal key ignition. by the by i do prefer soft plastic rather than hard plastic in toyota or honda. it do makes some different when comes to scratch resistant. not to mention lesser chances for the noise generated from plastic vibration.

No need to apologize. I don't own any Honda. I was surprised that the City can accelerate that fast. To me, even the Civic is sluggish.

This post has been edited by htkaki: Oct 24 2013, 11:13 PM

Our climate is hot and humid. Carmakers should make sure the model they wanted to sell in that particular country could withstand the local weather & temperature there. In Europe nice winter weather, everything tend to last longer there compared to here. So cars that are sold here required stronger material to withstand the heat expansion and also must come with more cooling items such as larger radiator, cooler and the cooling tubes to gearbox.

Those grey imports especially, if they imported cars directly from Japan without much modification done to adapt to our weather, more likely they will breakdown faster. Happen in 90's often, those imported Mercs & Japan only models like Inspire tend to overheat that led to breakdown.

Since the Pug is now assembled locally, the French should know that the cars sold here must be able to withstand our local climate and condition for long term. French deals a lot with Arabs since 70's in many things so they should know what they are doing.

As tested, the S4 engine without turbo could hardly pull the Preve/Suprima around. Its torque below 2000rpm (no turbo assist), especially around 1500-1800rpm (as per K3's comment) is way less than 100Nm that is way weaker than other 1.6L engine strength, does it mean you have to floor the pedal to over 2000rpm just to keep the car moving (over 1300kg kerb weight) in bumper to bumper crawl and city driving?

Don't be fooled by the specs, you don't always get the peak torque at 2000rpm with that obsolete turbocharger. Preve/Suprima engine sounds weak when you floor it, like Mr K3xxx modified cars with poor torque, it sounds hollow yet noisy require lots of revving just to keep it moving. Braarrrr Braaarrrr.... This is directed to Mr K3xxxx, not you. Don't be offended. It's using timing belt that could not operate VVT at optimum level.

LoLz ... see i told you u are good in Hallucinating ..
You never sit on my ride pun .. lolzzz
most ppl know my ride damn silent one .. not a single exhaust noise .. lolz

THat give us more assurance u pull everything out of ur tiny little unlogic mind .. lolz

Do you own Volkswagen in the first place? Or you just took that as your username to bash conti with false problems, etc in which you are personally with crappy N-brand.

Based on your comment, it shows that you are the type that stick to Japanese make and won't go conti at all. If that is the case, aren't you supposed to avoid P1 as well when they no longer get MMC engines especially Preve/Suprima? It's not even Japanese made.

Warranty or not, you still fork out own money for the service. Your N-brand Teana/Sylphy, the fragile CVT gearbox maintenance, you still have to pay with own money while under warranty. So what crap are you talking about here? As for the few unlucky but lucky cases for some Sylphy owners that had the CVT gearbox steel belt dislocated a bit, lucky for them it happened while under 3 years warranty, any guarantee for them after the 3 years? How do you explained the X-Trail, Sentra N16 and Cefiro engine blown cases due to excessive overheating when no more warranty? Aren't they paying with own money too?

chill bro. haters will hate.
i'm not a big fan of proton but i dont think u need big torque to crawl in traffic jam under 2000rpm. lol.

To be exact, Vios/City 1.5L 0-100km/h in 11.8s to 12s. The City new one is more sluggish than Vios. By the way, both the Vios/City aren't really performance cars, take them for racing would risk getting into understeer and hit something for thinking they have conti handling.

News for those who praised Insight, Jazz, CRZ hybrid like they have great FC:

http://www.worldcarfans.com/113101664547/h...europe---report

Diesel owned the weaker hybrids in 100% city driving actual FC. People are dumping these cars out of Europe and America. Those people here still want to go for these cars, there'll be lots of surplus stocks when the official phase out begin. So peoples junk is treated as precious gems here. For Japanese makes, only Toyota hybrid still left standing.

nah its okay ..

Just trying to clear stuff for other forumers .. but this Genius keep stuffing in his own Logic ...

Your old city vtec CVT is indeed feels more powerful than the 09 City. However if higher speed, the new one feels more stable. New one is heavy, thts y Vios can out accelerate it and FC goes up. Not only because of the 5AT vs CVT. Weight penalty sux man..

I owned the previous version City with D15B Vtec engine Type-Z. When I test drove the current facelifted City, I was like WTH...0-100km/h its so slow...LOL. Gearbox not as jerky like my old 4AT though.

yea , dont need big torque to crawl...but if not enough tork to crawl, very annoying tuuu...

I wonder if putting a deck lip spoiler will improve stability slightly...if at mid speed 120-160. Feels more stable is seem just a gut feeling & instinct when your floor the pedal hee...I've heard ppl say before if the car hardly driven over 160 before (ESPECIALLY prior runned-in) then the car will feel floaty around at higher speed...otherwise...they quite grounded. I'm not sure if there's any truth in that or not...Myb difference of tires grade, road condition and even tire air pressure all that might influence that floatiness of a car at 160 or so

What is this nonsense you are spewing? And what is it about my N-brand Teana and Sylphy? Why was this in the discussion? I think something is wrong with your head.

Agree, my previous model is 09 city. Real slow machine. Vtec? Lol

I have to agree with Volkswagen2. I owned conti cars in my life and owned a Volkswagen as well. It was ridiculously riddled with issues and problems and most of the time I had to camp at the service center waiting for the car to be fixed and also had to go through with fake promises time and time again. The longest I had to wait was a month for my DSG box to be replaced due to part shortage. The same story I have heard from my colleague who was also my so called "brother-in-arms" because while I was going through shit, he was going through the same shit with Peugeot as well. Long replacement times for parts and constantly seeing the damn check engine light appearing on our dashboards.

Test driven the latest Proton's and personally, I believe Proton has really gone a long way and the cars themselves are fundamentally good. If a friend asked me the same question between a 2nd hand Pug308 or a Preve and his criteria is reliability and getting from Point A to Point B with the least amount of hassle, I will without a doubt say get the Proton. If he wanted the Pug308, I will say go with his own choice and heart but I will definitely share with him all of the issues that past owners have faced, warn him of the possibility of having to constantly send the car in to the Service Center especially if his work schedule isn't exactly flexible.

I miss my oldshoe city type z vtec yr 2002. When the rpm reaches 4k you really can feel the vtec kick in. It is like the whole drivetrain wake up. Sadly the vtec nowaday cant feel that.

yup..me too used to drive a type z 1.5 vtec from 2003 to 2009... very good car!!! fast and simply fun..replaced with the current city..not so fun..

whats wrong.

ive drive about 3 years of peugeot 406 then upgrade to 407 till now.

problem? nah, mostly the abs sensor n maybe 1 day the double wishbone system will die but we got a club and sources here in malaysia. dont worry, u like the car then just buy it.

this is not renault kangoo, this is peugeot la

Used peugeot?Good luck!

There is no nonsense. Based on your comments all these while, you know nuts about conti. There is nothing in your comment that talks about conti all these. Those who really owned conti could have given some facts properly.

If VW so that unreliable, wonder why so many buy them nowadays? The Passat and Golf look dull but people still go for them when they could go for the nicer Mazda 6. So why is that? For Japanese brand, the most reliable is Toyota followed by Mazda then MMC, etc. Honta is never durable while N-brand, not sure whether they have overcome the overheating issue. Can you explain?

You say no nonsense, I say nonsense.

dun wanna rev >5k buy diesel la

Why is it everytime you open your mouth rubbish just flows right out of it? Keep it up. Good for some laughs.

Please know that a lot of people buying the car does not mean it is good. Is Proton Saga BLM good?

beside a toyota, my family n i owned 2 used n 1 new Honda, no problem pun...wat ru talking about lol

Well, the Prince engine in 308 is quite manja.. U rev rev a lot later it will go to limp mode and depollution error

lol limp mode. reflash ecu may solve this?

Do you own N-brand like Cefiro, N16, X-Trail that have several cases of overheating at SC? Read properly.

As for your crappy Honda, drive it rough together with your Toyota, 10 years later, you tell me which one still in 1 piece. Answer is Toyota. Honda engine will experience more leakage, wear and tear, failure, etc compared to Toyota. Understand?

This is why Toyota is reliability king. Honda is not, not even close. Mazda, MMC and even Korean Hyundai-Kia are more durable than Honda. You can find Toyota and now Korean made included on harshest condition Arab states today. Mind you, only cars that have proven reliability/durability survive on those terrain and condition.

This post has been edited by jayraptor: Nov 12 2013, 09:58 AM

Ofcourse, car price here are so expensive, they don't have much choice.

Thanks to people like jolokia mentality that put their own priority and interest on top, they ruin things up and make others suffer. Even he himself not getting much bonus and incentives compared to few years back due to all time low car sales and economic slump. He doesn't think about others, so he too became victim of other bad people with similar mentality as his.

When more and more people are poor, every1 is holding back their horses and stick to exiting rides. Would you pay RM20 to go to this weekend motorshow? jolokia will definitely be there with his free visitor pass granted to car companies certain staff.

Crappy? Lol....why are you so emotional &..

...I don't get your logic.
U mention honda never reliable but it's few of the more reliable brands irregardless of order...my previous post I just mention we have hontas at home and didn't give problem. I think it's a valid owner input/
these r little cars not to be driven harsh like in Arab states, what has Korean cars and toyota made in the harshest condition has relevancy to do with honda being a reliable car for a normal household usage in malaysia ROFL....
Are you hallucinating there. and are the brands toyotas and korean car brands being under attack here?

most cars after 10years will not be surprisingly to replace parts be it any brands. there are both 10 over to 20 years toyotas and hontas cars OTR
DUDE....R U OK



This post has been edited by wayfeel: Nov 12 2013, 06:07 PM

I have a 7 year old Vios at home....and uh....no.

have changed driveshaft, valve seals, wheel bearings etc. etc. some of them as early as the third year. Now the engine mounting is due for replacement. My friend's dugong changed O2 sensors in the second year.

Some of them are understandably wear and tear, some just failed prematurely.

yea.....still no. Toyota wears out just as soon as any other brand.

This post has been edited by dares: Nov 12 2013, 06:23 PM

Back to the topic plz. Huhu

good popcorn is good

308T maintenance will burn your wallet to ashes.
buy preve.new.

PADAN MUKA ! dares
YOU QUESTION PROFESSOR JAY ?

let me ask you a simple question,

If you buy the New Preve and drive it, would you always wonder how it will be like if you have chosen the second hand 308T ?

if you buy the second hand 308T, and drive it, would you wonder how it will be if you have chosen the New Preve instead?

GO CLIMB YOUR CORPORATE LADDER PLEASE!!

Once you start comparing 2 or more cars, no matter which car you buy you will still wonder Speaking from experience

funny i have a very different experience, when i was choosing my current ride, I'd nailed down to 2 choices (after ruling out a lot more), one is focus (even waited for it to be launched to test drive it twice) & another is 408

I don't know why, I never wonder what it is going to be if i have chosen a focus instead ever since.

perhaps your current ride is not so satisfying or being criticized to much? I can't help it if you are not satisfied but if it is about how other talk bad /questioning about your current ride. Know this, you have probably made your choice based on your best understanding of your choices matching best to your need at that time, You have prioritized what is important to you then and made the best choice then, perhaps your priority has changed now.

It's not buyer's remorse....just merely wondering that is all

It's more like "I love my ride, I wonder if I would have love that other ride as much" kinda thing

Then I will butt itchy (at least not butthurt )

just get a used 407 , now <60k can get a yr07 above .p407 >preve and no turbo related headache.....+ save $$$

I say get Preve. If you want to buy this year, make sure you get good discount due to the end of year model. Does Preve come with 5 year warranty like Suprima?

Had a 6th gen Accord-used for 10 years+. Drove like new when selling it off for 8th gen Accord. Only thing I changed were disc brakes since it was almost worn out.

You move your house and workplace to industrial area where the roads are in poorest condition. Then you tell me whether your Toyota better or Honda better after few years? Even Korean made is way more reliable than your Honda. Those who say Honda more reliable than Toyota are nothing more than some people that live in areas with good road condition, don't have to travel much in city traffic crawl and don't have to exposed to harsh weather much.

sure pug308T over new preeve lo

+1

Toyota is best for offroad use and harsh weather condition aka Dakar Rally etc...

You only consider Honda if you live in a place with actual roads and no hail/typhoon/desert weather condition... like 99% of the ppl in LYN.

+1

Terrorist likes hilux best

Hilux smells like terrorists?

Can mount 50mm machine gun, anti aircraft gun, rocket.... Load it up with bomb and a dumb driver, it can be act as a truck bomb. Versatile and flexible vehicle.