Can check with the PIC of the MPH....

In between, there are two pinned thread in LYNs which talked about CV and interview preparation...should be useful for us.

Yes it is very easy for you to say that is is not suppose to be the auditor role to dig documents. But you are not in the client's shoes.

Its not just me, any job that you will go into next time, you will have to clear shiit. Yes, your predecessor won't be there to teach you how its done and there is a lot of shiit to clear. If there is no shiit, the company won't be bother to hire you. They hire you to solve shiit, that is what commercial job is about.

And don't be thinking that your co-workers will be helping you, guide you and teach you. This is not audit where the senior will provide you with the training. Once you are in commercial, you're on your own, you have to figure everything yourself. I don't like this situation as much as you will, but this is something most of us have to face.

Therefore, its not my tough luck, it is the tough luck that every auditor has to face when they make the transition from audit to commercial.

The thing is, audit firms like EY and BDO, they will dig for the information. I am especially impress with BDO, they are so independent, my boss likes them. Unlike PWC, they seem very spoonfed.

In my past 3 jobs, I have listen to finance bosses make this joke time and tme again, not to give the auditor too much info. Why? Because when you explain to them, they come back and ask more questions. Most of the time they don't understand at all, keep on asking questions. I was once an auditor, so it is understandable that auditors ask questions, because they are not in the shoes of the client doing the work. But to ask for 3k start pay, based on the knowledge thay have, i agree on this matter.

aiyo you can search it in the job section la.

from any of these schools?



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discuss further;

https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/3004034

Don't know how it applies in here in Malaysia.

This post has been edited by chickenshit36: Oct 25 2013, 11:24 AM

Being on the commercial/client side before, I have to concur, except about EY BDO since I have not dealt with them before. There are tons of 'issues' in commercial, usually those 'sou jao xi' from previous or current seniors who are bound to be there for the rest of their life.

But what I do notice from some PWC auditors are that they are not educated on the 'client-dealing' front, ie EQ/IQ imbalance. Always ticking people off, have a high sense of entitlement with no regard or respect for the client.

This post has been edited by gloomberg: Nov 4 2013, 04:14 PM

The pwc auditors think they are the top tier, crem de la crem, so they think they entitled to ask any question. Schedule also have to do for them, no idea what they learn. That is why when commercial hire them,, they hire them to do corporate work.

Awesome! Corporate work sounds good to me.

Depends...if you do for our blady china man listed companies, could be quite boring.

Some may even be consol job.

Consol okay what.. What most people want after leaving audit is a 9 to 5 job rite. Tired of the hours.
(then after 1 year they complain about lack of progression)

Consol job very boring la. Have to chase subsi and assoc co for accounts. Bosses no appreciate you, hire you for sake of consol only. No future in conso job.

Then corporate job like raising equity or financing for your co also quite boring. Usually is those china man co who want to get access to these funds because their co no money. At first they give you good pay rise, after that your salary cannot increase, no increment.

Better go work for merchant bankers or RAM.

merchant banker or ram very good progression ka? I tot they oso quite messed up one.

Dunno lar, I never took this path. I went to do factory stuff instead.

merchant banker = corporate banker?
ram = rating agency malaysia? Good la, who say not good. High in market value, after a couple of years working. Exit opportunities are plenty too.

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Statistics can simply made up only mah, din't u oways heard "according to a research done by UK bla bla bla" , I oways wonder how reliable are those data

Not really, I just went for an interview today. It's not what I wanted though, so I will reject it when the time comes.

Don't know mang, I been out of this industry for a long time.

accounts assistant can jump into tax associate/consultant in big4 ka?let say if have 3 yr experience + CPA (without CPA 3yr work experience,only pass all the professional papers)
will enter as fresh associate since big4 might discount work experience or will be offered maybe senior?

as someone with almost 4 yrs experience in a big 4 firm, you'll start as 1st year associate.....after you applied and get called up for interview, ask your interviewer (most likely managers/partners) specifically if there's any chance of you getting promoted to 2nd year associate after working for 6 mths (most big 4 firms have half yearly performance review for promotions)... I would say the answer you'll get is yes.... but in all big 4 firms, every staffs is assigned with a performance manager (someone who monitors your performance based on reviews given by your seniors or other managers) and whether or not a staff gets promoted majority of the time depends on the performance managers decisions.... I have seen staffs who have previous job experience get promoted to 2nd year associate after 6 months.....it all depends on performance (how fast you are in learning and getting the things done correctly, your attitude, your PR skills as it is important to get ppl to be fond of you..etc)

they will not offer you a senior position coz obviously you can't lead a team as you dont' even have basic audit skills.....


but, audit is not everything... what we know in any particular company is very limited as we just sort of "touch and go" at every job coz deadline and time cost is crucial in our field.... thus, an auditor in a big 4 who then transfer to business advisory/internal audit/tax would have to re-learn new skills......

however, if I am you, I'll apply to be an auditor in big 4 as a 1st year associate as what you learned would be valuable if you plan on being an accountant in future......