Engineer is considered as a professional career... but, do you know how much is the monthly salary in term of job, qualificaiton and year of working experience?

for example: consultant engineer (degree, no professional cert)
year 0 : rm 2k
year 1: rm 2.2k
year 8: rm 5k
year 30: rm 8k

maybe you can tell what are the other constraints also in determining the salary...

this is just an example... share your idea with us to standardize the engineer's market pay... dun let the bosses bully us...

i'm an engineer myself and the problem with consultant firm is the bosses knows that these fresh grads are out to learn from them. therefore, they will squeeze your pay and make the full use out of you. sad but true.

as for myself, i'm already in my third year in a consultant firm and my salary sitll doesn't go pass 2.5K. sad...

depends on the feild os specializaion n also where u work small companies 2k n below mnc sum offfer up to 3k++ for fresh grads

din get ur IR yet??

sure or not? last time i had training at one of the consultant firm, the salary is ok lo... but if once you are the associate member, ur salary wil shoot up... anywhere, why dun u try sales? mind to tell which company u working in recently?

still in 3rd year lah bro...IR coming liao...eehheeh

what u meant by mnc? manufacturing company? like intel, matsushita?

consultant firms hav low pay tillu get ur Ir mostly 1.8k-2k region
any vacancies in ur comp dualshock?i wanna join also hahha but i fresh grad nia. sales engineers if u dun hit target will av a diff life wif ur boss


yupzzz
hav afren working in a US base comp fresh grad like me 3.4k
he so fast get a job me still jobless
nvm i'll wait till after world cup then only work hahahaha

This post has been edited by nicvoo: Jun 9 2006, 03:32 PM

oh, then after u got ur ir, ur salary will shoot up... but, once the thing that u chop collapsed, u will be in lockup... haha

sure lah...it's a fact to me. associate member? u think so easy meh...as i said i'm in third year only...still long way to go. company? nolah..better keep it secret. else, if someone finds out, i die ...heheheheh

u try to seach through the net la, got many de... i m thiking whether wan go back to my old company or not, they said give me rm2.1k as starting... but probation 3 months at rm1.8k...advices needed... i still comparing with sales eng... sales can earn more, right??

so far i didn't hear any news from my boss whether he wants to employ ppl or not. you know lah...nowadays not much project, have to cut cost mah...maximise your worker...

MNC = Multi National Company

maybe u can tell me personally by senidng me message ur company name... then i can recommend some better one to u...

dual
u working in a M& E or a civil consulting firm??

oooooooooooooooooohhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

mine is C&S

haha i'd say gain xp in the consulting field 1st know more ppl then can jump to sales if u dun like consulting consulting onc eu get ur Ir can open own liao hahaha sales as i said earlier unless u r damn good in selling if not like my fren everymonth need find excuse to cover up hahaha.1.8k good lo my palce there 1.6k after prob 1.8k damn kiam siap

i hav fren working in both fields at hometown i can get a job there but wanna try out the working life here b going back hehe

lol poor u ahah

nvm it's ok. thanks for the help though. i still have lots to learn from this company. although the pay is little, but i do learn alot. seriously...

are you an engineer as well?

me also c&s. really depressing! pay like sh*t. TOO much liability and TOO LITTLE pay! need to offset my depression with my blogs

sigh...wat to do. i don't know about other ppl but us, as engineer, we have BIG responsibility and paid in NUTS.

sighhhh...why this line in the first place?

yeah jus grad but i had my training in a m & e firm yup gain lotz of knowladge from tat training so kind of hoping to join the consutling field n not others

ur Ir getting already? o stll need another year?
from wat i inquired 3-4 years ehhehe buck up

still need one more year...hopefully by then, pay will be good...

ur pay little coz the boss makan alot
for a building project iirc
30-40% goes to the architect
30-40% c & s
10-20% qs
10% only to m & e
but m & e hav the least liabitiy
hehe

lol after tat u can start showing off ur signature hahahaha
but if the building falls down get ready to be shot hahahha

the funny one is when i was the first day in my training.. both my senior told me that i'm in the wrong line! muahahaha.. now they pass the job for me to tell any "newbies" that they're in wrong line! which area u people working now?

lolz me too the fella say i studied the wrong course haha asked me to take arcitechture if i wanted to get rich in the construction feild

yalah can show off, but as you say, if something happened like wat happened in hulu klang, then die lorr...

yeah lo, my 1st day of training also same... they just said "god bless you" haha... then i thought just blessing... but who knows it was a begin of nightmare... 3 months, never eat, sleep, play, properly one.. i m going to grad soon... now looking for jobs, either sales or consultant... <----- advices needed...

hahaha...true true...but architecture hoh, you have to deal with all the authorities, tht one i hate the most...bunch of morons sitting in the office doing nothing but chit chatting...

hey, are we going off topic here?hehehe...

my advice is, since you're still young, why not go for a try in a consultant firm. that would beef u up with some experience and if you don't like it, you have nothing to lose, just leave and find another...

you are right, dual_shock.... haha, if the building collapsed, u will be jailed...wash ur back side, and sit inside like a bird in a cage for years.... or pay money until you bankrupt... pity also... engineer nowaadys not like last time anymore..

maybe lo.... see how 1st la... i just wan work for $$$.... the higher the better...

wahliao.. dind't know it was so bad in this industry..
thanks for the info.
i would like to tell those just starting uni , give financial engineering/ financial mathematics a try..get phd better still.. definitely very good prospect anywhere in the world.

lol gov red tape sux hahhaa
m & e also need mar
telekom n tnb freaking sienz wait for thier approval once during training my supervisor ask me go tnb office fark them coz so long no reply n the project urgently needed thier approval to go on went up saw them all goin yam cha ask them bout the approval letter they say thier fax machine down i ask them then y never reply calls they say boss not in so they dunno wat to reply
wah so damn many excuse

ya ya, but i do have to say that last time, engineers can be very powerful but now, they just have to work to the demand and leisure of the clients. sighh

lol wan $$$ go MNC comps
minimum u get 2.4k eg.motorola
max i heard 3.2-3.4k eg jaala

this is so called authority ma... if u spend them 'yum cha', u will get approval very soon... pandai pandai lo... i like thier 'show' when site inspection.... haha...can give them oscar award.... they can act super well.... very serious... but, 'yum cha' a lot also...

hard to get in la.... i m not genius also... i hate working is factory also, they say like robot... haha...

lol never kena inspection wif them
dunno
haha
i only know architects n contractors r damn rich all wear kam lou (rolex) belanja makan also makan mahal one hahaha i like going site meetings hahaha (but as a trainee of coz) as the engineer in charge sumthing goes wrong kena shoot like machine gun hahah

yaya very true...sometimes i see them come to site, a while want drink, a while want cigarettes, awhile this, awhile that...really see them also sienz...

do you all agree that construction is the most "black" line of all?

lolz we same ler my cgpa damn low no mnc wan employ me
hahaha
u grad mmu?o local unis??heard local unis grad also

i'm from mmu btw

anyways anyone know the pay for tech support engineer?

yeah lo, they are super rich.... all kam lou one.... dunno where get their money from huh?? haha...

AHAHAHHAA...true true. but i think why contractor so rich is because, they always make profit one. so they can be very accomodating.

sum wat agree
lolz tats like u rub my shoe i rub others lolz
its a cruel world out there

yes... like what i said, they wan yum cha.... everytime say this cant, that cant... but give them money, they never say cant also... really kanasai... but sincerely, they earn a lot... side income.... enough for them to yum cha until get diabetes... haha

i not from mmu, local private college in pj area... now having exam... the paper before is like sh*t, super hard... the mat saleh from uk wan kill us... shot us with bazooka.... die....

hahahahhha...diabetes...hahahaha. they deserve it..hahahaa

lolz of coz la if not how to wear kam lou n belanja u eat n also they minimum hav 2 cars 1 car 4wd prado,pajero,hilux the other if not a accord,cefiro,camry is at elast a benz

agree.... but then, why dun u all be contractor? then can 'contribute' more to the authority people...sure they will give u a big kiss...

sigh...being contractor also not easy. always kena from consultant (because i do that to contractor often...hehehehe) once you screw up...

authority see contractor sure happy one cos can yum cha, but see consultant nia, their face also black, cos canot yum cha one....heheheheh

my advise it.. go for your dreams.. dont get "stuck" like us! just read the tucker max's speech http://messageboard.tuckermax.com/showthre...95&page=3&pp=10

i know! its for lawyers.. and lawyers rot in hell.. but its about living your dream. When I am a student, I thought when I work, I'm gonna buy this buy that.. but guess what?! i'm f***ing poorer than being in student time. hehe.

Btw.. jobs as consultick oopps, i mean consultants require constant dealing with authorities too... just as much as achitect do. and I REALLY is a pain in the ass EVERYTIME to meet them, unless they're the pretty clerk there.. IT SUCKS!

thats why i m thinking wan to be consultant or not... nobody likes consultant...low pay somemore... very hard to be consultant..title only good...

i have went to meet many authorities, from tnb, to puas... never have pretty girl there... starving one got la... be careful.... they may eat u...

wow, you just spell out everything that's in my heart...let everyone knows how poor we are...

pity us as engineer...bout 10 yrs ago, when others know u r engineer, the impression they give is, 'wow', and 10 years later on today, 'cehhh'... u see how pity we are??

hmm.... we all agree our job sucks! but where else to go? not to say too old also. work as mechanical or electrical engineers in factory pay high but darn boring. our work is freer.. can go site, make fun of clients, act like a complete ******* with contractors and see them comply. i think i should put more "stupid" stuff of working in my blog hehe...

not really.. some people still 'wow!'.. think we very horseh! but we our own goes "chiu"! when going to get rich?!

This post has been edited by aLittleMisfit: Jun 9 2006, 04:38 PM

do u think u can get rich ma? haha... dream la... super hard to get rich la...

Fresh graduates engineers pay:

From my own personal experience when I went out to look for a job (MEng in E&E). These happened a while back so I guess the pay structure may have changed quite a bit.

Manufacturing Companies:
Motorola: RM2800
Freescale: RM2800
JVC: RM2200
Sony: RM2500
Agilent: RM2800
Intel: RM2800

Non-Engineering Related:
UOB Bank: RM2200
CIMB: RM1800
Nestle: RM2000
IBM: RM2500
McKinsey: RM7000
Arthur D Little: RM4000

how to get the IR title?? graduated from mechanical field...degree...1 and the half year working experince

You need to apply for membership via our BEM and IEM and then follow their procedures for getting IR from them. Needs working experience but I am not too sure how many years.

If you are a UK graduate, then you can apply for your chartered engineering via their engineering institutes such as IEE or etc..

I am a full member of IEE. Is it important for me to register with BEM ?

That is up to you, if you attached with the IEE then you can aim for a charteredship. The period depends on your degree. If you graduated with a BEng then the process takes a little more before you can get your charteredship because apart from the standard 3 years relevant work experience you would require to take another course.

If you graduated with an MEng then you would need 3 years work experience . Just follow their guidelines because your company needs to give in a full report about your work and job.

If you want an IR then its best to apply it via BEM then later IEM, see their procedures and the proper steps.

IEM Website:
http://www.iem.org.my/wapi/mctxwapi.dll/ge...B-MAIN2&ObjID=1

BEM Website:
http://www.bem.org.my/

BY-law.. its a must to register for BEM in order to work as engineer. IEM not mandatory.. but need to also if you're aiming to became an IR