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post Nov 16 2013, 01:50 PM

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QUOTE(sleyer @ Nov 16 2013, 01:45 PM)
laugh.gif  laugh.gif    why ?  my lcd still goood what hmm.gif  hmm.gif
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Get another 4 and make it 5x1 Eyefinity. laugh.gif
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post Nov 17 2013, 07:28 PM

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QUOTE(llk @ Nov 17 2013, 05:40 PM)
If u want to do massive overlock in future better get Asus, Sapphire card not able to adjust the gpu voltage.
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Don't play-play with silicone lottery. You'll cry when your card can't even go over +50 on core and yet they said its a cherry picked chip. tongue.gif

If i'm not mistaken, R9-280x Toxic is locked @1.26v which is high enough imo. You don't want anything higher than that for 24/7 use if u're not underwater.
Not sure if it's the same as my Vapor-X which had locked voltage on BIOS 2 but not BIOS 1.
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post Nov 17 2013, 07:30 PM

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QUOTE(LK89 @ Nov 17 2013, 07:13 PM)
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Maybe they will slap a AIO water cooling on it like the Ares II.
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post Nov 17 2013, 07:47 PM

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Before i forgot,

To dare devils, flashing a R9-290 to R9-290x is legit. It's like the old days of 6950 to 6970. Go run to the store and buy one now before they fix it.
Tested on XFX version only though. ph34r.gif

Sauce: Success! XFX R9 290 flashed to Asus R9 290X!

Btw, i take no responsibility to anyone that blew their card/s because of this.
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post Nov 17 2013, 07:59 PM

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QUOTE(llk @ Nov 17 2013, 07:49 PM)
So this is confirmed? Previously reported Powercolor 290 OC can flash, now normal 290 also can?
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Yup, and he flashed both of his XFX 290s. Not sure about other brands though, i think it's possible too.

QUOTE(sai86 @ Nov 17 2013, 07:51 PM)
This kinda make much more sense than the ppl that always claim it is so hot n hot  smile.gif  smile.gif
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Indeed, my only problem is the throttling down but don't see anyone complaining about it in this thread yet.

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post Nov 17 2013, 09:17 PM

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QUOTE(sleyer @ Nov 17 2013, 08:33 PM)
so this model for beat up  780ti  huh  tongue.gif  rclxms.gif
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There's no need to beat 780Ti since its not on the same price point imo.
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post Nov 17 2013, 11:00 PM

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QUOTE(Puteih @ Nov 17 2013, 09:40 PM)
How's your vapor-x running?
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Like a champ i must say? tongue.gif
I secretly think it's a 7970 in disguise.

Too bad it's not a silicone lottery but i'm satisfied with the performance.
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post Nov 19 2013, 12:46 PM

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QUOTE(jinaun @ Nov 19 2013, 06:50 AM)
i read the got ppl flash their 290 to 290x

http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1791547

true or not?
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Yes its true, but very minor batch can successfully do it.
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post Nov 19 2013, 04:41 PM

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QUOTE(storm88 @ Nov 19 2013, 04:17 PM)
beside of that, you may consider this as well, Gelid ICY VISION REV2. Refer:

http://www.hkepc.com/forum/viewthread.php?tid=2017953

ETA this week
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QUOTE(storm88 @ Nov 19 2013, 04:37 PM)
Estimate RM179. Might be lower
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Wow nice, all 290s ref owner should get one. thumbup.gif
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post Nov 19 2013, 06:24 PM

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QUOTE(Enigmatic @ Nov 19 2013, 05:01 PM)
While these third party coolers help with core temps, a few users had been reporting higher VRM temps especially on the left top (11 o'clock position) though - Either because the cooler's fan coverage does not properly cool the VRM/the heatsinks for VRM uses thermal tapes/pads instead of thermal adhesive which greatly decreases efficiency.

Will need to do some experimenting when I get my 290. Hmm.
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I thought, you'll get RAM and VRM heatsink together with Artic Accelero Extreme 3, MK-26 and Gelid ICY Rev2. Correct me if i'm wrong. hmm.gif
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post Nov 20 2013, 11:39 AM

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290x CFX Scaling and overclocking.
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post Nov 22 2013, 08:44 PM

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QUOTE(aaron_15ryderz @ Nov 22 2013, 08:38 PM)
Just done that just now and still getting bsod. Izit something related to my motherboard?

Now i'm installing the whql driver and still getting the same result.

Edit : Forcing reinstalling again.
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You can try download older version and only install HDMI driver.
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post Nov 22 2013, 10:57 PM

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OcUK selling the preflashed 290. sweat.gif

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct....rodid=GX-014-VX
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post Nov 22 2013, 11:12 PM

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Another developer tapping Mantle API.



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Another game has joined the ranks of Mantle-enabled titles. Earlier today, Rebellion Entertainment announced plans to use AMD's new graphics API in Sniper Elite 3, the latest instalment in its shooter series. The game is due out next year.

Rebellion is actually building Mantle support into its homebrewed Asura engine, which powers all of the studio's games—"from advanced PC titles, to mobile and next-generation console games." (Mantle itself is PC-only for now, though.) Rebellion CEO and Creative Director Jason Kingsley said Mantle support will be a "crucial part of [Rebellion's] plans for the next year," so I expect Sniper Elite 3 won't be the last of the studio's titles to harness the API.

Last week, we learned that 15 of EA's upcoming games will also support Mantle. That's in addition to Battlefield 4, which will get a Mantle patch next month, as well as Thief and Star Citizen, which hail from other studios and publishers.

Sauce: http://techreport.com/news/25682/sniper-el...-amd-mantle-api


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post Nov 23 2013, 11:09 PM

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"New" drivah!.

QUOTE(Roceh@Guru3D)
Just noticed these have been posted:

http://www.guru3d.com/files_details/amd_ca...4_download.html

Feature Highlights of The AMD Catalyst 13.11 Beta9.4 Driver for Windows


  • Includes all Feature Highlights of The AMD Catalyst 13.11 Beta9.2 Driver
  • May resolve intermittent black screens or display loss observed on some AMD Radeon R9 290X and AMD Radeon R9 290 graphics cards
  • Improves AMD CrossFire scaling in the multi-player portion of Call of Duty®: Ghosts
  • AMD Enduro Technology Profile updates:
  • XCOM: Enemy Unknown
  • Need for Speed Rivals

Build Info:
DriverVer=11/22/2013, 13.250.18.0000
13.25.18-131122a-165306E-ATI
Catalyst: 13.11
CCC: 2013.1122.1036.18947
3D: 9.14.10.01001
OGL: 6.14.10.12614
OCL: 10.0.1348.4

Supported OS:
Windows 7
Windows 8
Windows 8.1

Desktop Supported Cards:
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Mobility Supported Cards:
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Sauce: http://forums.guru3d.com/showthread.php?t=383879



There's no mention about improvement on lower tier card but i'll use it anyway.
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post Nov 24 2013, 01:44 AM

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QUOTE(Unseen83 @ Nov 23 2013, 02:45 AM)
hello,

THX news is good, another join the Mantle..  but i got Question..?

-MANtle API Really improve performance from other API?
-i read some post saying AMD giving money to this game developer to join their /support Mantle API ? is this base on true FACT or made up(fake)
-what so special with GCN cards that Mantle run better with this type cards..?
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From my limited knowledge regarding Mantle.

1. Mantle significantly reduce the overhead from CPU between each draw calls. Normal DirectX games can have 3k-10k draw calls, but with Mantle it can have 50k-90k draw calls. AMD targeting 100k draw calls with Mantle and 300k by 2015.
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2. Rumour has it AMD give DICE 8 bajillions USD to CO-DEVELOP Mantle and bundled of Battlefield 4 Never Settle Forever. 8m for both of those is pretty cheap i guess.

3. It's special because the new console using the same architecture? hmm.gif
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post Nov 24 2013, 10:58 AM

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Taken from APU 13 last week.

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post Nov 24 2013, 05:23 PM

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QUOTE(eugene88 @ Nov 24 2013, 02:19 PM)
How come when I leave my pc for a few hours then when I come back I have to restart cause of the black screen?
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Malware again? hmm.gif
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post Nov 24 2013, 09:30 PM

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QUOTE(Unseen83 @ Nov 24 2013, 06:04 PM)
smile.gif  thank you  (p.s what 3k-10 k? 10,000? of what?) what draw call a pixel on screen..?
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I'm not a programmer so i'm going to quote someone from stackoverflow site. laugh.gif

QUOTE(Joakim Hårsman)
First of all, I'm assuming that with "draw calls", you mean the command that tells the GPU to render a certain set of vertices as triangles with a certain state (shaders, blend state and so on).

Draw calls aren't necessarily expensive. In older versions of Direct3D, many calls required a context switch, which was expensive, but this isn't true in newer versions.

The main reason to make fewer draw calls is that graphics hardware can transform and render triangles much faster than you can submit them. If you submit few triangles with each call, you will be completely bound by the CPU and the GPU will be mostly idle. The CPU won't be able to feed the GPU fast enough.

Making a single draw call with two triangles is cheap, but if you submit too little data with each call, you won't have enough CPU time to submit as much geometry to the GPU as you could have.

There are some real costs with making draw calls, it requires setting up a bunch of state (which set of vertices to use, what shader to use and so on), and state changes have a cost both on the hardware side (updating a bunch of registers) and on the driver side (validating and translating your calls that set state).

But the main cost of draw calls only apply if each call submits too little data, since this will cause you to be CPU-bound, and stop you from utilizing the hardware fully.

Just like Josh said, draw calls can also cause the command buffer to be flushed, but in my experience that usually happens when you call SwapBuffers, not when submitting geometry. Video drivers generally try to buffer as much as they can get away with (several frames sometimes!) to squeeze out as much parallelism from the GPU as possible.


So in layman's term, draw calls is how much stuffs you can put on the screen.

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1. This spinning cube is 1 draw call, i use 1 CPU thread and i get 7138fps. As you can see from GPU-Z, gpu load is quite high in this one.
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2. This is 5041 draw calls, 5041 spining cubes on 1 CPU thread. I get 50-ish fps for this one. If you notice, GPU is pretty much idle because it became CPU bound.
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3. Since my CPU have 8 threads, i increased the processing thread to 8 and i get 133+ fps on the same draw calls as previous one.
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4. Max i can set draw calls with this program is FFFF or 65535 draw calls. I get 13 fps for this one. laugh.gif
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Game developers constantly need to find a good balance between draw calls and graphic quality to ensure their game is optimized/don't have any loss in performance because of draw calls CPU overhead.
So in the nutshell, one of Mantle main objective is to reduce the CPU overhead between each draw calls. Capisce?

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post Nov 25 2013, 11:46 AM

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QUOTE(eugene88 @ Nov 25 2013, 10:26 AM)
Black screen , move mouse or press anything on keyboard won't bring back the screen
I'm using a Hybird HDD - Seagate Momentus XT 750GB
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Better if you post this in Tech Support subforum and link it here.

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