criticizing the player = posting trash

ohh...ok

Damn the games are starting to come thick and fast already. Midweek 3.45am game.. better get sleep and rest while we still can

Scholes scoring a goal like that All that's missing is the classic Scholes reducer tackle

The banter about who to drop for the 5 a side team was darn funny, interviewer doing the batu api role to the max

Fabio, Zaha, Fletcher start for manutd u21 team vs blackburn u21.

valencia only can play 45 mnts i think
he always make a clumsy pass,crossing after 60 mnts
must find another wide winger!!!

I still think that Scholes should continue playing for another season.

lol, let's share with me dude.. as usual in a lose people will attack/criticize every possible thing, even the most unreal one. If there was performance that I enjoyed the most it would be Kagawa, at least in first half before dragged out to left though even he still create that beautiful move, change direction of the run, and lashes accurate lob. You see United play lot of ball in center attacking position when Kagawa was there in first half and in second half it was the usual 'give the ball out left/right, dont really care where they stand, and meaningless crossing', one of the factor why Valencia performance was degrading in second half after good run in first half imo. I don't remember any bad perfomance when Ronney-Kagawa combined as no 9-10, I think one of the reason why SAF bought Kagawa because United need midfielder who can score, and he kind of fulfilled that last season.

The only problem that I see from Kagawa is his stamina in BPL, that's it. And no, Valencia is not an average player.

We wishhhhhh.... but he wanted to call it a day and retire, so all we can do is sigh and thank him for the many memories

he should ask Park Ji Sung's dad for the frog ginseng soup recipe. Good for his stamina and to grow another two more lungs.

Good article, in fact precise explanation on why Kagawa is struggling in the EPL. Best read for doubters of this young lad

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1793088...nchester-united

Article sums up how I feel about Kagawa pretty accurately!

Only 2 things in the article struck me as inaccurate:
Moyes = trainer?! Manager la wei!
Fellaini = over Kagawa? Fellaini has been playing in a deeper position, when he has played at all. They're not fighting for the same spot.

I strongly suspect it's just Moyes delaying integrating these 2 guys into his starting eleven to ease them in.

And I've never quite agreed with the issue being stamina with Kagawa. It's not like he was collapsing on the ground after 60minutes, although his injuries and lack of minutes for his first year can't have helped.

The upper body strength part is probably more accurate, I suspect

The part about formation is true. It might explain why Kagawa was a big loser when it comes to last summers transfer window. If Moyes had been able to sign a creative CM and an attacking LB like Baines, United would have had more options in terms of formation (e.g. 4-3-1-2 with the LB and RB bombing forward like wingers would have been possible). As it is, Evra is scary enough defensively even when he has a winger in front of him to overlap, and Buttner is even worse defensively. Doing that formation with the existing options would be suicidal lol!

^ which part in the article say fellaini over kagawa fighting for same spot

i think giggs can be the guy providing/exchanging passes wt kagawa like leverkusen game.

kagawa clearly fighting for no 10 role wt rooney.. unless he adapt playing in different role he will continue struggle to performed and getting min of play

when i saw first goal from Spurs i was still ok. I thought it was a clever freekick from walker. He knew everyone would jump so he aimed for the space at the bottom wall. It managed to surprise De Gea as well.

However i was so angry when i saw the 2nd goal. a simple twist by Sandro was enough to off balance Cleverly. Sandro has the time of the world to take his shot due to there was virtually 0 pressure from Cleverly.

Seriously i would rather moyes had played anderson. At least his physical presence is better than cleverly and he has the burst of speed for him to run away from opponent midfielder. Cleverly? I dont know what is his specialty

Kagawa's stamina is fine. His lack of motivation to improve on his physical strength baffles me. I never doubted his abilities, but I doubted his motivation and eagerness to improve. Sure many of you would disagree on this, but hey, it's my personal opinion. By now he should understand the nature of the BPL, he knows he needs upper body strength to shrug off physical players which is why Moyes does not pick him against physical teams.

Very cynical of some to judge based on my opinions, there is only one person who understood what I am trying to say here. Many just jumped the bandwagon saying, 'Oh Kagawa is the best, most outstanding player for now, he shouldn't be getting such treatment, Welbeck is sh*t, he dont deserved to be playing, stupid guy making stupid comments. Typical non-readers who does not understand will simply just jump the boat, just like those commented above me.

The comments are my personal view. Everyone has their rights to say what they want/feel like, but not to the extend of calling someone sh*t or useless or 'HE DONT KNOW WHAT HE IS DOING'. Please. I never insult my own players nor manager but I do provide feedbacks based on my observation. Sure Kagawa is pleasing in your eyes, but he is not to me.

So don't put your views on me.

For once, I agree with sunblaze, no pun intended. Kagawa's stamina is fine, running all around but the lack of determination from him to improve on his body strength is worth questioning. I am pretty sure he if he does improve on his strength, he will become a better player. Take Park-Ji-Sung for instance, thou he is an Asian, he doesn't gets pushed over easily, and his workrate is phenomenal. Something Kagawa needs to learn from.

Your comments baffles me even more.
Were you there at Carrington to gauge his motivation on improving his fitness and determination?
Unless you are the team fitness coach I suggest you refrain from such mind boggling and ridiculous remarks

dont think stamina is problem wt kagawa.. he can run. match fitness might be problem for now as he has not play regularly

kagawa is a good player but i hv to disagree on him being influential in any way against spurs. not very involved in the games and not making himself available for pass and attack moves. passing are limited and meaningless run (same goes to welbeck). he just doesnt click wt cleverley and jones at central mid.

my view on spurs game..
best performer
1. rooney
2. jones
3. valencia -making lots of run if only he can make all those cross count. only 1 cross successful from 11

worst performer
1. kagawa
2. welbeck - coz he got the penalty
3. cleverley - work very hard, very influential in the game defence and attack but he aint got the creativity needed.. no quality passes and supply from him

I personally see the problem with kagawa is that he don't play the way united plays. It's kind of hard to explain but for me personally , the team is used to playing / attacking with Rooney , which is very different from Kagawa's style . When you see Kagawa attack, there is alot of movement , pass - go - pass go - pass - go , more Barca / Arsenal like ?

Who can do that in midfield ? The one that comes to mind is Ando ( where he play as a midfield mastero role before changing his role ) . Also Clev , but he lacks of creativity , hence his short passes turns into nothing .

Anderson is suffering from lack of confidence I believe. His lack of games is affecting him. He needs more games, probably should start off for the reserves and slowly promoting back into the first team again.

Agreed, also one of the reasons why BVB/ Juergen Klopp wants him back. I can understand some of you guys frustration on the way Kagawa plays. He is not the type that collects the ball from deep and takes on 1 2 midfielders before feeding delicious through passes. When he actually tries to do that, he'll get brushed off by the opposition's midfield, like @andrewtho is pointing out, hence = sideway passes.

In the Spurs game, most didn't even notice Kagawa's existence but that is due to the lack of supply from the midfield especially Cleverly. Whenever Cleverly gets the ball, he is very slow in turning towards the opposition midfielder, always facing Smalling or Valencia all the time thus passing sideways, no penetration. That's why most of us don't understand the function of Cleverly the other day. Kagawa just sit there finding space eating popcorn lels. As compared to Giggs, he'll turn faster and quickly plays a one-two or a through pass to Kagawa like in the Leverkusen, albeit they both have more space in that game. But still these individuals can help each other's game thus providing more penetration in the attack, rather just posession.

Cleverly used to be very energetic and more purpose minded but now dia oni pass side ways and not ambitious as last time. Certainly hoping that Cleverly can at least be half of Paul Scholes but his passing and vision definitely needs work. Anderson? After a lot of years in this club he should be the midfield core of Man Utd but sad to see him warming the bench all the time. Now oni Carrick and Giggs that can benefit Kagawa to play effectively. Who else?

You buy a Kagawa to get a Kagawa, you don't buy a Kagawa to get a somebody else. Each may have its own strength over the other.

The reason why I still have hope in Cleverley because like Kagawa, he needs his team plays that suits him well, only years that will grow them up to suit various kind of plays/to use it wisely alternatively between games, obvious example was the way he was in attacking play in the superb start of the season when paired with Anderson several seasons ago, things went differently when Carrick came into picture, the way United plays changed, and he was struggling.

I believe creativity is not something that goes away easily from people.

This post has been edited by alowie: Dec 3 2013, 01:37 PM