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post Nov 14 2013, 07:57 PM

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QUOTE(PF T.J. @ Nov 14 2013, 10:10 AM)
Thank you for the praise and encouragement bro, really appreciate it
I really love macro, because it drives me to really go out to see new stuffs everyday, and there will always be arthropods that I've never seen before laugh.gif And its interesting to learn more about their names, behaviour etc.

Usually macro shooters just stick to F11 or F16. I pretty much stick to F16 all the way unless if I need more light. That way we can just focus on shooting instead of the fiddling with the settings, since every moment is precious if you are shooting a natural (unposed) shot.

There are a few things that affect the DOF based on my experience:
(1) Magnification. The larger the magnification, the thinner the DOF. If you want to get a subject that is sharp pretty much all the way, try shooting farther, then crop. When I first started, I never noticed this haha, so I only shoot at the highest magnifications, which will be a problem for larger organisms, or those that are very 3D i.e. very protruding antennae, legs etc.

(2) Your angle. Although it depends on what you want at the end of the day, if you want the whole subject to be more or less sharp, the general rule is to shoot from the front, on top (or bottom if applicable), or from behind. But this may vary from subject to subject, since arthropods come in a wide range of sizes and shapes. For example:

Shot from top of a Menemerus fulvus:
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*this kind of shots will retain the details of patterns on the spider, and is very important if you want to ID the spider  I usually shoot this kind of shots just for science, since its considered as a "bad" or "boring" photo for art (or photography)

Shot from the front of a Menemerus bivittatus:
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*this is a very popular shooting angle for jumping spiders (or any other insects) because they have really cute and big eyes (imho la laugh.gif, Agito sifu will disagree kekekeke). Of course, just by looking at this side, its impossible to know what spider it is, so this is more towards an art shot.

Shot from the side of a Menemerus bivittatus:
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*Another one is from the side, especially when you want to take photos of insects eating. Because if you shoot from the front or ~45 degrees, the entire subject will be too 3D to be sharp (unless if you follow #1 and shoot from really far away la, which sort of beats the point). For example this shot of a Nephilengys eating a Bactrocera fruitfly:
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The blurring in this shot is intentional, since I realized the spider was so big that its impossible to get everything in. If I shoot too far away, I won't be able to show that its a fruitfly. And I can't shoot from the side since the web is very large, if I touch the web, the spider will retreat.

Another general rule: Usually for most macro shots, the eyes (if applicable) should be kept in focus, just like portrait shots  nod.gif

Just my 2 cents la, still a lot to learn from the sifus out there.
Oil or dust can be pretty troublesome to deal with I have to admit haha, although programs can help you remove them, but when working with a lot of photos at once, there is the tendency to miss them out, until after you uploaded them and being pointed out by people 
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Wahhhh! That's a lot of techniques. I bought the Raynox I told earlier, I can refer to this later. But, I think I'll spend most of the shots mainly for flower macros.
QUOTE(ongdennis @ Nov 14 2013, 11:43 AM)

this is good smile.gif
like a summary of ur macro shot experience. 

yeah, is true i always go for the magnification when i shot macro. sometime the lens almost touching the object (sp90 extend out very long)

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Freakish spider there bro... must be more freaky if can see its face.

QUOTE(gunzerdude @ Nov 14 2013, 12:02 PM)
View of the sunset from my friend's apartment is much better than sunrise
Alot of friggin bugs though, have one trying to fly into my nose every 5 seconds or so on the rooftop.  doh.gif

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I like the land better than the sky. Nice field you have there. wub.gif

Just done with this semester. Now I can spend my time for more shots! rclxm9.gif

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post Nov 14 2013, 11:37 PM

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Night spam. Might be not good, but I don't know how else to fix this.
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post Nov 15 2013, 10:48 AM

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QUOTE(ongdennis @ Nov 15 2013, 12:06 AM)
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i like the reflection and overall feel smile.gif
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QUOTE(PF T.J. @ Nov 15 2013, 09:52 AM)
Great photo bro, I love it notworthy.gif
Especially the reflections and the really calm waters thumbup.gif

I think there are some rubbish on the grass (sorry if see wrongly haha), those can be photoshopped out tongue.gif
I also think the photo needs something to be put at the front (like how people taking landscape photos of beaches will always put a rock/wood/ship etc. in front). In this case, I think the trees on the left of the frame will do. Perhaps can try shooting closer to that tree?

Just saying haha, again I am noob in landscape shots  doh.gif
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Thanks for the feedbacks.

I can't see the rubbish, again probably I can't see small things like what happened to photos with sensor dust. lol! Need to wear specs now I think.

I realised about the meh composition too, hard to compose; there too many branches poking me, laugh.gif this even with the help of articulating screen, without it, it's gonna be much harder.
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post Nov 15 2013, 10:59 AM

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QUOTE(Agito666 @ Nov 15 2013, 10:57 AM)
i think he literally means rubbish on grass, not oil spot or dust particle in picture  tongue.gif
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Ya, I said I can't see it at first because perhaps my eyes not sensitive like how you guys can see dust spots. smile.gif

Unless I zoomed in and do some pixel peep.

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post Nov 15 2013, 11:19 AM

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QUOTE(Agito666 @ Nov 15 2013, 11:14 AM)
dust spot more harder to spot  sweat.gif
unless you shoot in clear sky , or have several clean images to spot it... for my D70s i need put in PC to spot it  sweat.gif
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Ya, I usually do landscape in HDR, so it's kinda emphasizing the spots on the sky. lol! Three images stacked together, and the spots will be obvious. laugh.gif

If one image only, I can ignore it most of the time.
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post Nov 15 2013, 12:30 PM

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QUOTE(PF T.J. @ Nov 15 2013, 11:30 AM)
Sorry for another post, but I think this is pretty important, and I have been receiving many inquiries on this, so might as well just put the info here laugh.gif

For those who are interested in getting cheap extension tubes (~RM30) for macro photography, do take note that these are merely hollow tubes which "holds" your lens at a certain distance from the sensor to allow a nearer focus point. There are different types of extension tubes (ET) with different mounts for Canon/Nikon/Sony etc.

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Of course, there are more expensive extension tubes (ET) which costs around RM200-RM500 i.e. Meike/Kenko.
The main differences between these ET and cheaper ones are:
1) Electronic continuity between body and lens. Meike and Kenko ET allows the camera body to "communicate" with your lens, so aperture control and Autofocus abilities are still usable.

2) Better built quality: Can support heavier lenses without breaking

Afaik, using cheap extension tubes (also known as manual tubes by some) will cause Nikon systems to enter an aperture mode of F0 (due to the lack of electronic connection) when used on normal lenses without manual aperture rings. This will lead to photos coming out very dark, no matter what setup you use.
Based on what I know, there are only two ways of getting over this if you do not have a lens with a manual aperture ring
a) Get a lens with a manual aperture ring (duh lol), usually the one to go for is the 50mm F1.8D since its pretty cheap and very common.

b) This depends on the type of ET I suppose (don't think all cheap ET are like this). For Nikon systems, the only way to prevent the aperture value becoming F0 is to manually "trick" the aperture controls. Details can be seen here: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=402...&type=3&theater
All credits to Mr. Shahrir Haji Nawawi for sharing his knowledge on this  notworthy.gif


Canon systems are easier to use with cheap ET though. One only has to attach a normal lens, set the aperture (say F16), then press DOF preview, remove the normal lens, then attach the ET plus the lens and the aperture will be set to F16.

Verdict for Nikon users:
Unless if you already have a 50mm F1.8D (which many have since it is the nifty fifty laugh.gif), and only wanted to try out on macro photography (no intentions of buying any dedicated macro lens later), the cheap ET will be good enough~
If you intend to venture into the world of macro photography, then by all means get Meike/Kenko (especially Kenko if you plan on investing in a big macro lens i.e. 90mm/105mm/150mm/180mm etc. later on); the better built quality will reduce the risks of dropping the lens or damaging the connecting plates between lens and body. And of course, there is Autofocus. The AF capabilities differ from lens to lens, although it sucks on the 50mm F1.8g, it works like a charm on the 105mm F2.8 micro. I even shoot with AF now, big change in shooting style laugh.gif

Just sharing XD
Sorry for long-winded
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Mine is Nikkor G version, that explains why Nikon cannot control aperture on movie compared to Canon. doh.gif

Regardless of this, I'm gonna get Tamron 90mm next year, mainly for portrait, but it will be great addition with its macro.
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QUOTE(jepertine90 @ Nov 15 2013, 02:46 PM)
Hi sifus,

I wanted to buy a new lens as the kit lens doesn't provide the sharpness I wanted. Finally step into prime lens.

As budget problem, I'm only able to get 35mm f.18 and 50mm f1.8. Normal usage would be traveling and food photo.

As much research 35mm is all rounded which is good for me since I take various crappy photos(LOL). But I want to hear more opinion on this.

Since food photo is also vital to me, 50mm also a good lens for better close up.

Opinion guys?

Side Question : How to avoid reflection from the food? You know, some oil will reflect the light from the ambient light which makes the photo suckish.. Photo taking with no set-up, just DSLR and in-door restaurant light. Is it I need a filter or something?
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I bought 35mm instead of kit lens back in the days. I think for travelling, this one is more proper than 50mm. Because 50mm is too tight for framing your shots. If you want to take pictures of food than you have to stand up, and back up a lot. That would be awkward. tongue.gif

For portrait, it's sufficient though tighter frame would look best to exclude all those distracting backgrounds.
Landscape shoot would be tough with this lens. shakehead.gif

I find this lens also good for group photo. Just need to back up a little (actually a lot depends on how the crowd is) then crop.
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For landscape
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Ipoh Hills by NurAzam, on Flickr
Old photo lol!

For close up you might need to crop. This not food shots but just to give some insight.
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Satu Ringgit (MYR 1) by NurAzam, on Flickr
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QUOTE(Everdying @ Nov 15 2013, 05:28 PM)
if got budget, i really suggest the 40mm macro.
its a nice in between and obviously can focus closer.
used one i seen before RM600, so about same price as the other 2.
of cos u lose about 1 stop, but the sharpness, almost no distortion etc...good trade off right tongue.gif
even 35mm on DX also you will have a hard time.
somehow i still cannot bond with the 35mm...just looks weird thru the viewfinder tongue.gif
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This is true, there are times that it is still hard to frame even with 35mm, so usually I'll just estimate the shot and crop if it's within the frame, to get everything in the frame, well... rclxub.gif
Dunno, about 40mm but since it has macro I think it's suitable for food shots. Just my theory tho, not in practical.

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Wahh... learn so much from you guys. I'm aiming for older Tamron though, my goal only for portrait and botany macro or perhaps bugs macro just for hobby. Is the speed really slow for these purposes? I don't shoot for events too. Not sure anywhere in the future. unsure.gif

Want to share a photo of my online landscape sifu. It's autumn there. Really nice.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/55858110@N02/10818261644/

Most of his photos taken with D90 and with the kitlens.

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QUOTE(gunzerdude @ Nov 15 2013, 07:14 PM)
If for portraits, then just set the limiter switch la. It'll prevent the lens from focusing all the way down to macro ranges. The speed then is actually quite ok, just don't expect instantaneous lockon la  brows.gif

For macro leh, when I was using mine, the extending tube is a big problem. The length is one thing already, the extension during focusing can sometimes scare off more sensitive bugs.

Ehh, your landscapes are always so nice leh.  notworthy.gif
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Thanks! Guess I'll wait till I can afford Nikkor one. tongue.gif
For now, I guess I'll try manual ET first, then get Kenko auto ET if I'm satisfied.

My landscape is amateur one lah. blush.gif

QUOTE(Agito666 @ Nov 15 2013, 08:52 PM)
want ask bracketing is auto stitch photos together one in body or kena sendiri do in PS? tongue.gif

lazy experiment now, doing work, just remember this when i read the manual....

and bracketing photo shoot 3 photos in once... or 3 times after i press shutter, so i need put on tripod or somewhere stable to make body position static ?
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I don't know about other models, but in D5100 there is HDR auto bracketing (done in body) but only in JPEG. I recommend use RAW and bracket them using PS or Photomatix. The latter is recommended if you have slow laptop like mine.

Or if there is no auto exposure bracket option, you can do it manually. Take one photo say -2 exposure, another one at 0, and lastly at +2 exposure.

I recommend bracket at 3 different exposures for best details.

Tripod is needed for this and less moving subjects is essential. However, both mentioned software have de-ghosting tools to remove these movements. That said, I personally avoid too many movements in the frame for best result.
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More lalang paddy to show.
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Evening Harvest by NurAzam, on Flickr
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Evening Harvest by NurAzam, on Flickr
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Evening Harvest by NurAzam, on Flickr
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Lalang by NurAzam, on Flickr
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Evening Harvest by NurAzam, on Flickr
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Evening Harvest by NurAzam, on Flickr

Note the second photo, sometimes the light and the clouds move too fast, hence using timer is not recommended, you'll be best with a cable remote shutter. Cannot risk even 1 second in this condition with the use of timer.

Sorry bad composition still. shakehead.gif

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QUOTE(PF T.J. @ Nov 15 2013, 10:25 PM)
Lovely shots as always mate  notworthy.gif  notworthy.gif
I love #2 and #4, especially #4, really got feel to it  notworthy.gif  notworthy.gif
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Thanks. Not that good lor. The sunset exploded. Haha! I was looking to get starry sunset. It seems closing the aperture at f22 not working for this.
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How to dismount my lens from the extension tube. lol!

I mounted it until the click sound, and now it's locked but how to dismount? It's Octopus plastic ET.

Got it. Followed this guide. http://www.wikihow.com/Remove-Your-Lens-Ex...on-Tube-Adapter
I was worried back then. doh.gif

I unable to focus on anything tho, no matter how much I rotate the focus ring. Any insights?

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I don't have much luck with ET. I'm noob haha! I can't get things in focus even if I'm really close.

However without ET and my trusty 35mm 1.8G DX with the help of Raynox 250. I got these.
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Pink flowers by NurAzam, on Flickr
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QUOTE(gunzerdude @ Nov 16 2013, 04:24 PM)
If your lens is the 35mm 1.8G, with the entire set of tubes on, your focus plane is already inside the tube. That's why cannot see anything in focus  laugh.gif  laugh.gif
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Hence, I need to only use one part of the tubes, right? Haha! blush.gif

QUOTE(PF T.J. @ Nov 16 2013, 04:34 PM)
Wah, the Raynox 250 pretty gooding man  wub.gif  wub.gif  wub.gif
Dayum, here raining whole day LOL. So much for shooting  T____T
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Really gooding man! I haven't cropped these, if crop can see the uhh... whatever things in the middle which attract bees.
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QUOTE(Pro3363 @ Nov 16 2013, 04:45 PM)
First one very nice bro cheers.gif

All the recent discussion make me wanna go into macro tongue.gif
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Thanks!
That raynox and the lens did most of the work. I just pressed the button. laugh.gif
Can get Raynox if want to try, can get less than 300 bucks with good condition second hand. Although, I read some discussion in Flickr saying that 50mm in reverse gives more magnification than raynox.
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QUOTE(Silverfire @ Nov 17 2013, 01:35 AM)
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Nice tone and feel. I like it.
There a figure of another cat under the car though, but it's too out of focus. If it's me, I would make the shadow completely dark. smile.gif

Want to do long exposure of the seaside waves, but hujannnn. cry.gif Kay, I can get back to sleep then. nod.gif

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Xperia Mini Pro by NurAzam, on Flickr

Out of idea to shoot. laugh.gif

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Same flower. A polarizer would reduce that white'ish reflection, but since Raynox has taken the front element, I'm too lazy to rescrew polarizer than the raynox.

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QUOTE(Silverfire @ Nov 17 2013, 07:18 PM)
Yeah I thought of that too but but but I didn't do it in the end, thanks for the input icon_rolleyes.gif

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Your tone is super nice. Is that split toning? Using LR?

Doing some HDR landscape today. After this quit landscape for awhile. Will do random shoots like this and this
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QUOTE(PF T.J. @ Nov 17 2013, 08:36 PM)
Great composition bro, I love it notworthy.gif
Why stop your landscape shots bro? Exams coming up?

Wah, didn't know you are into stills hehe XD
I did some lately too, lazy to edit  doh.gif
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Nope, just done with final exam. I have a month to play around. tongue.gif
Just tired. Landscape needs a lot of effort, especially finding the places.

Oh, also the weather... sad.gif

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QUOTE(Pro3363 @ Nov 17 2013, 09:26 PM)
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Orchid! rclxms.gif Handheld bro? Must be challenging. ISO 2000 yet so clean, FX sensor is wow!

Last two.
Not a beautiful scene but I finally get that starry sun. So, I just jumped and do the shoot. Sun's ray gets dispersed afterwards. lol! laugh.gif
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Sunset on the horizon by NurAzam, on Flickr

Also, want to share this from the dude I told about before.

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