i am assuming that you were born in maybe 60s .... maybe my parents' age...

u see.... there are some very bad seeds planted during your time... but they were just seeds.... over the years those seeds might grown to be some seedlings... i dunno...

apparently your generations did not do anything on those seeds and now they have grown into some awful trees....

now you come back and complain to us why we keep the awful trees growing? sorry for being rude or offensive though

This post has been edited by nothandsome: Oct 1 2013, 11:19 AM

Times used to use QS for a long time for its rankings before breaking up a few years ago. Actually, the first time that UM was ranked was sometime around 1994/5 by the now defunct Far East Economic Review. It came out around 11 out of top 40 Asia universities. That was a surprise to many in particular, UM lecturers who thought that they would have been ranked lower.

Anyway, since then, UM has never achieved those heights again and have consistently slid down the ranks in any world or Asia rankings.

I'm not sure what you mean I mix up the rankings? I was quite clear that UM had dropped in rankings since the 1980s. I don't think I stated the criteria, did I? Anyway, doesn't matter which ranking you take, UM goes downhill.

? You are a curious chap aren't you. As a non-Malay and a Chinese, what can you do to protest at government polices without getting arrested or killed? I would dearly like to hear how you expect to change or cut down crappy government polices?

You are not being rude or offensive, just obtuse. What do you expect people to do? Join Chin Peng in the jungle and fight the government that way?

Besides, what would you do?

This post has been edited by xenotzu: Oct 1 2013, 08:57 PM

We all know UM ranking has been dropping, but instead of complaining, why not u write to UM, or the media like The Star/ Malaysiakini, and Ministry of Higher Education, to give constructive comments and steps on how to improve it to the world Top 10 universities.

I am not finding excuse for UM not able to become world top 10, it is not as easy as we think. All education matters on quota systems are politically linked, till now our political parties still playing the divide and rules racist strategy to gain the support of their own ethnic group. Education is the best bait for gaining the election votes and populalities. Unless we change the status quo of our politic scene, or else I won't see there would be any drastic improvement on the UM ranking in the near future.

On a separate note, I also believe there is a correlation in between the GDP/ Income per capita of the country and the University ranking of the said country. This could be due to the history of education development, GDP allocation for tertiary education in the said developed countries.

Look at the world top 100 universities in the world, more than 80% of the top universities are from the developed nations such as USA, EU, Aus/NZ. We may find a few of top 100 universities from Asia such as Singapore, Hong Kong, Japan, Korea, and Taiwan. But these countries GDP are as strong as these western developed countries. That is why we hardly see universities from 3rd world countries appear in the top 50 top 100 ranking. We need to be fair and compare apple to apple.

Did you go on to take up and complete the PhD at UM?

That is 1990s dude..i dont even born

Now is 2013..just want to remind u

So you want us to just shut up now and say nothing about it? We are not working at UM nor do we hold influential positions in the government. Isn't speaking up the first step and the best way to bring about change?

If we take your advice and just say nothing, in 20 years UM would be worse. And your own children would ask you why your generation did nothing and just let things deteriorate. At least you could answer that you did do something. You took an active part in letting things deteriorate. By beating down those people who complained and pointed out the problem.

The whole point of this thread is to point out how badly UM has slid in the past few decades.

If you're only 20 years old and only know of it's current semi-crappy condition, let us tell you that it was much better in the past. UM was never better than NUS in Singapore. But the gap was much closer. While NUS had climbed up the rankings, UM had spent the past 20 years climbing down.

Ranking is nothing one..as long after grad get job..and can do job..industry compliance than fine..me myself dont want to go to the first rank uni in aust even i get placement..instead i will go to the 5th rank uni in aust..no big deal..

It's not only the rankings that had slid. In TS's first post on this thread, he clearly said that the absolute quality of the graduates being produced by UM-now is much worse than that of UM-then.

A good university plays an important role in creating an advance country. That is where you can nurture great minds. The graduates will in turn become an important part of the future society. Just look back at our history, how many great people are from prestigious universities against those who didn't? Ranking might not be the only definitive way to see the quality of an university, but the fact remains that not just UM, but other universities in Malaysia are currently sliding down in terms of quality. This does not bold well for Malaysia's effort to be included in the list of developed countries.

P.S. If you're not bothered with ranking, why wouldn't you try for local uni? That is unless you're facing the same trouble as the TS's relatives.

It seems the discussion has been shifted from quality of PhD education to university ranking.

I am a UM postgrad, non-science. couple of things:
1. To get a bachelor degree in local U is very tough - politically and academically. But at least at this period of time where Malaysia is go banana over postgrad, to enter a postgrad study (master/PhD) in any of the MOHE's U, it very easy. In fact, Scheme like Mybrain15 is paying you to study. My point is, there is not a better time then now to get into postgrad. I applied to both UPM & UM and both were successful to the extend that that I still not sure if my research proposal played any parts in the admission process.

2. Master and PhD, if you well, considered them as a 'branded product'. they are not the 'necessary product ' (bachelor degree). That means, 'brand' is important, which is ranking. So for people like me, for whatever reasons/constrains, once I decided to enrolled into local U, I am pretty much ignore the Uni ranking. Sad but this is the fact. So don't cry over the ranking! Lived with it.

3. I did my degree in Malaysia and master in the US. In my faculty, I do see there is a dominant way (philosophy, epistemology, methodology) of doing research which in my opinion, could be restricting. On the other hand, I see majority of the students rely too much on the supervisors - for guidance and research topic. But what was very obvious was majority of the students have a tendency to treat research very mechanically i.e. "I have identified a gap and no body has research this before" or "no body has combines X & Y together and therefore I am doing it". Please do know mistaken me that I am immune or are 'superior' in anyway in such thinking. It is just that I am aware of the danger of approaching research declaring that 'nobody has done it'. This overly simplify way of approaching research and the quality of the research outcome does little to help shore up the U ranking, or launch one's post-postgrad career prospect. And talk about student quality in the context of mentality, I tried but finally conformed to the 'fixed seating' arrangement despite once can sit any way you want in the lecture hall. You see, one you have take a particular seat and so do the others, the seat magically 'transformed' to be identified with you and if you change your seat, you are disturbing the balance of the universe. Common, this is postgrad, not primary, why are we still being so rigid? What does this says about our ability to 'contribute to something new?'

Back to the quality and ranking. I guess the most sensible thing one can consider taking are:
1) Write to the key researchers in your field - write properly and you likely to get a reply in due time. That way they will get to know you, your topic, and who knows, could be the paper reviewer too!
2) Apply some reflexivity in research thinking
3) Educate your supervisor about your worldview, subject matters, etc

All the best to all

This post has been edited by Nkelabu: Oct 14 2013, 12:51 AM

I don't know about univ post grad degree. Im an accountant and I loathed this life of making money, speaking money and all money all damn time.

I'm aiming a chartered accountancy, nearing one indeed, because I need to earn my way out of this quandary I'm born in before something else.

I wanna earn a PhD in humanities but than what for? A lot of so called 'humanities' are outside this world itself, you just need to deep dive into to see it clearly and it will blow your mind

hi..i hope i come in to the right forum. I have a few questions to ask, namely;-

1) What is the minimum duration to finish a Ph D course? Does it depends on the topic that i research on?
2) Which type of thesis is easier to approach, qualitative or quatitative, if i am doing a business topic?
3) Since i will be doing this course on a part-time basis, how many face to face interactions i need with my supervisor?
4) Which university is highly recommended?
5) Since i have lose touch on studies after completing my MBA, what books and links will you recommend me to read to generate a research proposal.?
6) Will any university provides a scholarship without any commtments from students? What is the minimum CGPA requirements for obtaining a scholarship?

Thanks

i was educated abroad though i am born and breed in malaysia. but since later half of my secondary education i went to australia to study high skool. i did however came back to malaysia to get my SPM. hehehe .. it was soo easy .. i went to UK to complete my tertiary. i came back and open a software engineering company. i interviewed alot of malaysian as i want to create jobs.

as of now ..

i blacklisted those students from

1. MARA
2. TARC
3. UTAR
4. UITM
5. UTM
6. UM
7. UUM
8. UKM

actually all of semi gomen and gomen uni i blacklisted. those that study at private colleges are way better.

all in all, malaysia next gen is epically failling. they cant speak properly, dress properly and cant even think properly. they just assume that becos they are fresh grad .. they deserved to be taught and mold.

hell no.. i am not paying you every month for you to learn and get trained just becos your uni sucks or you didnt study hard enuff.

i hire you and pay you to work for me and generate income for me.

malaysian grads from local uni and TARC .. please .. go die

Sounds very much the philosophy of Chinaman style company. Given the choice, less grads want to work with Chinaman company these days. The ultimate goal of any org is making profit, but non-Chinaman style organization has different approach toward that. E.g.: Multi national company would take in fresh grads because they can be trained according to the org's values and ways of managing stuff in order to reach its goal.

This post has been edited by Mr.Wang: Feb 12 2014, 02:14 PM

of cos.. they are paid to work.. how are fresh grad trained? trained in what? the skills that they acquire during their tertiary education are very minimal and limited. some even english is limited.

MNC or global may have the luxury of time to train them but i don't.

why such the fuss? What if those you blacklisted actually do have capabilities? you mean to say that you do not even give them a chance to show their capabilities? This is an act of discrimination, not to mention that you are actually discriminating the governmental education itself. You even discriminated UM! UM, although it has been dropping, has manged to produce quality graduates that always has a mindset capable of pursuing Masters & PhD for the best of all!
This is very sad, such generalizations does not hold a place in human resource management.
And look, this generalization is the reason why your company HR's is seriously flawed. You rather just blacklist them than to give them a chance. Most importantly, why is your English so bad? How do you even scan through people's portfolios with such a weak grasp of English?