As i say, feel is a very subjective thing.

I feel it is ok but got friends will say maciam sampan. What can i do.

To this people, feel is confidence. Haha

Toyo DRB

Dude, i've owned worst sampans than this. I think i know what is acceptable and what is not that acceptable and i've done some not so sensible things with the rather unacceptable ones.

So, i do know my expectations. Just not other people and it is not within my powers to change their perception of things. Not to say that i am happy with my car. The lack of damping options really is a major drawback to the car especially setting the rear end up. But, it is not made to be a hot hatch or anything in that fashion in the first place. So, nothing much to expect.

Basically, i'd split labelling cars being stable into 2 major categories. The comfort / reassuring stable and the performance kaki type of stable by what i think their definiton of stable is.

The former although not really gonna hold the ground and sent every bumps, nooks and cranny up to shake your guts out but will still give you the feeling that it is more than capable at the speed you hurl it into. Sometimes good, sometimes dangerous.

The latter might be a grip monster but ain't gonna be friendly to anyone who has a brain to be jolted around.

With the introduction of electromagnetic damping. Things have changed considerably and it seems possible to have best of both worlds especially when forward radar level sensing techologies can be integrated further with the dampers. It looks like the future is definitely here but definitely not at the mass consumer levels yet.

I know, but i am just saying it.

Actually, the stock springs are not really that high a spring rate. Most aftermarket adjustable dampers provide spring rates double of what the stocks are at the rear.

I do actually think the stock dampers and spring makes the car feel quite a bit bumpy at slow speeds. But, at high speeds it don't quite feel so especially when you go through undulations on the road.

Well, as for the other people. I can't be bothered so much because they are have the assumption that asian cars all feel like one kind even before stepping into the car.

Ball ball. Well, shit ain't got nothing to do with balls. More likely to do with lack of a brain.

He never put type r badge on his jazz. That is why.

Lot of cars also like sampan one la.

I can't comprehend how vellfire drivers drive up to their speedcuts too. With their entire family inside to top it off.

As i say. Vios, vellfire, myvi or jazz. None produces downforce. Drive it at 160, it definitely won't do this



But is it safe, definitely not. Not even if you drive an S500.

As i mentioned before. The feeling of safe is somewhat a very dodgy thing. The only true way of telling if a car is safe is for it to be pressed against the ground hard. And see what the clk gtr above got into?

Drive fast, live with the consequences. Don't blame the car.

Weight plays a bigger factor in the feel of most contis. Doubt the wider tires play that major a role as it has to fend off the weight during lateral forces.

No one is denying your fact. It is just something that does not need mentioning. It is just an expected part of owning such a car.

Your thread? Okay...

My bad your highness. You right, me wrong. No need to be all potty mouth btw.

I do not deny that i reply for the sake of replying. Call me syiok sendiri for all you want.

As you noticed. I used the term "feel". As in the car is floating like sampan even when travelling on a perfectly straight road.

I did not mention how it performs in directional changes. To most if not many people. Heavier cars seems to feel like it is sturdier, hence a more stable car.

But in the real world we all know static weight work against the car as it needs a beefier engine to move the weight, more contact patch to maintain grip, etc, etc...

Sooo..... What motor racing did was not to make cars heavier but to have downforce help push the car down on the ground hence giving it more grip than just the car itself could provide mechanically.

The contact patch is as always very important. But, unless you are chucking the cars into turns and stuff. I don't really think it cures sampan feeling problems. In fact, wider rims and tires at the end of the day still kacau the cars roll center if my google tak ada rosak.

So, technically. I did not ever for once claimed that wider tires do jack shit. I just say it doesn't seem to cure the sampan, wobbly, wiggly feel of the car.

I hope tat clarifies my lack of england comprehension.

I want to talk to the aussie guy who always take upside down pictures la. Bring him back pls.

DAMN... If i am a father like you and i know the car my kid is driving can do 190 and still feel stable at 160. I'd be seriously worried wei.

I'll jus get my kid next time a car with a 125cc kapchai engine. WOT full revs also 88kph only.

I dun wan to hear my kid say "pa say can do 160 one". I'd be seriously screwed by my wife.

Sometimes, there is many sides to your kids that you dun see. I've been a youngster too u know.

Just like one of my friend who smokes all this years i know him and he started in secondary. You'd be amazed that his parents still do not know he smokes.

Imagine how he hid that from his parents with the smell and stuff. I mean he is old now and have the rights to do what he wants but seriously. Imagine keeping this away from them for more than 15 years.

Either you have a secret dvr or gps installed. U never really know if you kid is the next takumi fujiwara lei.

You can always floor it.

But there is no better way than manually selecting the gear as your car can only react to your inputs rather than anticipate it

I am not that sure if wider or lower profile or higher profile helps. But conti, are conti's. They have several things on their end most japanese manufacturers especially the smaller cars usually lack. Damper setup for one i would think is already a huge difference


I mean rio having 17" can't be the deciding factor right? Aftermaket 17" is like what? An rm3k spend at most after trade in?

Rio is better equipped would be undeniable but just because of 17" is a bit bonkers.

Contact patch is of course the priority as any safety systems is only as good as the grip the tire provides.

But, better tires can always be bought la.

It might have the correct system in place. But even that, there is many things that can compromise handling like the geonetry setup and stuff. Having the best does not always guarantee the best handling. The setup is equally important.

At the end of the day. You are talking about a culmination of a jumble of items and not just an individual portion on the entire suspension system. So, it is not always as easy as just a tire here or a something there.

Well, some people like stock cars. It's nothing wrong.