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PC Audio Altec Lansing Fans Club (approaching 90 members), Sound Leadership For The Digital Age

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post Nov 9 2008, 04:41 PM

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QUOTE(TheWandererX @ Nov 9 2008, 04:33 PM)
... Oh. Any suggestions for a budget sound card? I'd like a good and cheap one. =)
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cheapest will be external Creative SB 24bit! Live, but need RM160-200
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QUOTE(junclj @ Nov 9 2008, 07:23 PM)
Simply say, digital sound is a wave sound which transfer in "bit". A bit different to analog which you listen n years before with your cassette.
16-bit is something like a CD sound quality. 24-bit is is something like a DVD sound quality.

But when you compare by digital with analog sound. Sometimes in digital wave sound, you cannot listen to some details in the music. Some of the sound listen like not nature, maybe the voice when you talking then after record into digital wave was change to another voice.

Analog sound is more details and more nature but a big problem is when you playing it such like a cassette. Sometimes fast and sometimes slow and also the big disadvantage is low fidelity.

If you obtain a Creative sound cards, you set their sound quality to 24-bit and 96KHz. You will feel that sound is better than a CD music. The sound is improved to more details during you listen a song. Higher bit generate more detailed voice. You will feel the sound is more nature than 16-bit.

But usually its not much different, you still can listen a high quality song at 16-bit. My own conclusion is, there have no different between 16-bit and 24-bit. I cannot listen out what are their difference with my sound card. Still 16-bit is a good standard for a digital wave sound.

I cannot explain too much because I not very expert about this.
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the CD and all the mp3, WMA and lossless are encoded into 44khz and 16 bit format...high bit depth is for enhancing the dynamic range, theoretically upsampling to 24 bit from 16 bit won't help to make the 'more detailed voice' and 'more nature than 16-bit', because the extra 8 bit is use to represent the white noise which equal to nothing, and yourself also can't feel the different, no point you talk about it...

Good sound card because of good DAC, which can convert the digital form to analogue with more detail (bit perfect), not for listen to your so called '24 bit more natural sound'...

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QUOTE(TheWandererX @ Nov 9 2008, 09:48 PM)
Oh... Thanks you two for the detailed explaination. XD I'm really enlightened now.

Anyway, where can I get the Trust one? Or are there any other 16-bit external soundcards? I'm really really low on funds... so I can't afford to get expensive stuff.
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dude, don't misunderstood, most of the sound card the minimum standard is 96khz/24 bit now, no point to find those 16 bit external sound card, and i don't think you could get it...

well, if your main purpose of purchasing external sound card is for surround movie, get at least external Creative SB Live!24 bit, you can get it between RM160-200, or you can go to search at garage sales....

bare in mind that newest standard of 96khz/24bit card sounds better than old 44khz/16bit card is not due to the standard itself, but the better quality components used...

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post Dec 15 2008, 09:27 PM

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QUOTE(climacool @ Dec 15 2008, 08:19 PM)
1. i coundn't feel the bass (woofer) while my speaker working perfectly ( clear treble + bass). rclxub.gif

2. only can feel the bass from the woofer. rclxub.gif

3. Isn't this woofer's power come at high end ? rclxub.gif
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Please explain what it mean before i can give you advise... rclxub.gif

i used this speaker a year++, no problem for me.

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post Dec 15 2008, 10:26 PM

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QUOTE(climacool @ Dec 15 2008, 09:56 PM)
1. i coundn't feel the bass (woofer) while my speaker working perfectly ( clear treble + bass). 

2. only can feel the bass from the woofer. 

Can hear sharp and clear treble + bass from speaker but Woofer not that boomy, kinda soft..

3. Isn't this woofer's power come at high end ? 

isn't it need to turn high volume to hear n feel the bass ? please advise..

I don't have any friend who using this model, so coundn't do comparison.. smile.gif
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i place my controller bass and treble flat, I use EQ (winamp EQ + Eletri-Q Paragraphic EQ) to tune sound

This speaker bommy on movie but not music.

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post Dec 27 2008, 09:48 PM

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QUOTE(moniqee @ Dec 27 2008, 07:08 PM)
hi everyone

i owned a VS4121

i have a problem wit it now after 2 years of usage.

now the speakers when i played animes / music... the sound sometimes loud... soft .... or mute... does anyone have the same problem wit me?

can anyone here pls help me out? provide me some solution? is my problem fixable?
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Socket behind the sub to the satellite controller lose, few users face the problem also...

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post Dec 27 2008, 10:39 PM

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QUOTE(jtcs87 @ Dec 27 2008, 10:38 PM)
2500 post then will go for V2. Get it? sign0014.gif

Btw.... FX6021 owner  thumbup.gif
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Btw...my X-Fi XtremeMusic seller... sign0014.gif
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post Dec 28 2008, 11:33 AM

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QUOTE(moniqee @ Dec 28 2008, 07:52 AM)
which socket?? mind to tell me ar? i very noobie wan... coz i female...  rclxub.gif  icon_question.gif

thanks for the help ya.  notworthy.gif
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this socket....the upper yellow one...

Few users can't control their 4121 volume, volume suddenly set to max or no sound due to this socket , i dealed with this problem before as my friend owned this speaker as well, but i didn't fix for him since not so serious, just unplug and plugin again....i saw your case quite similar with that, so i guess is that problem too. smile.gif
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QUOTE(eball88 @ Dec 28 2008, 11:58 AM)
atp3 owner here  icon_rolleyes.gif


Added on December 28, 2008, 12:00 pmguys any idea which sub woofer have a quality sound similar with cinema???
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MX5021...THX certified...good for movie.
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post Dec 28 2008, 02:25 PM

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QUOTE(jtcs87 @ Dec 28 2008, 02:13 PM)
hmm.gif  Really can't remember before i check my transaction logs.  thumbup.gif

Still using it?  laugh.gif
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Adi modded...lol laugh.gif
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post Dec 29 2008, 10:57 AM

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QUOTE(moniqee @ Dec 29 2008, 09:36 AM)
help... help me anyone??
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Pity girl... blush.gif

According to your 'problem statement', really hard to judge what's the problem....Final solution, try replace the 3.5mm audio cable (green one).
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post Jan 1 2009, 11:42 AM

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QUOTE(cottonkandy @ Jan 1 2009, 04:08 AM)
altec lansing is teh best!
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i strongly disagree.
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post Jan 5 2009, 01:22 PM

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QUOTE(z.DeGrEe @ Jan 5 2009, 11:10 AM)
then the new al mx 5021 ler ?
i hear many good comment to tis speaker
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MX5021 is a only AL speaker that can make reasonable sound, and is alone in its price range.
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post Jan 5 2009, 04:34 PM

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QUOTE(kubing @ Jan 5 2009, 03:33 PM)
but Not all of them the best. New MX5021 cut cost version not produce reasonable sound at all. How to check? open the satellite and look at printed circuit board. They have Capasitor and coil.  Old version have 2 coil(big black color component) with 3 small caps. But cut cost version only has one coil and 2 caps.
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Well, the coil is called inductor...that printed circuit board is actually called 'crossover'...depends on how you see it...if the driver is same as the old version but with lesser component, i will call it as 'cut cost'...but the truth was the driver not the same as the 1st batch. I will called that as 'redesign'. laugh.gif Tell you, the famous AegoM speaker did the same thing as well. This speaker do excel in movie playback and gaming, about music, you need to tuned if you know how.

anyway, if this speaker not produce reasonable sound at all, i will call others AL speaker( including old ADA,ACS and ATP series) as 'unlistenable', do you agree?

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post Jan 6 2009, 12:03 AM

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QUOTE(irmond @ Jan 6 2009, 12:00 AM)
i loved altec lansing as well.

can i join the club??

how do i join??
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Just pay the member fees...I will PM my account no. to you soon. laugh.gif
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post Jan 15 2009, 12:28 AM

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QUOTE(zs3889 @ Jan 14 2009, 11:54 PM)
brows.gif  brows.gif because you are using this so you consider that as good...??

laugh.gif  jkjk...
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i think this kind of comment/reply is waste of resources. yap, you can judge me from this point, judge i'm bias, but i don't care how ppl think on me, because i adi considered pll will reply this kind of sh** if i said that.
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post Jan 15 2009, 06:51 PM

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QUOTE(shah_ty @ Jan 15 2009, 05:45 PM)
i'm using IXOS Gamma Geometry cable as my input and also change the speaker wires already.
it does have some improvements but i'm still not satisfied  tongue.gif
thinking on modding the X-over this weekend  icon_rolleyes.gif
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Inside got 1 piece of 560mH inductor, that one is the crucial part.

I opened before and changed the wire inside.
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QUOTE(Faint @ Jan 15 2009, 09:12 PM)
Bro, what is X-over ? Is it crossover ?

After you change the wired got any improvement ?
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yup, is crossover.

The improvement is same as you change the signal cable, the midrange more fuller now...i used the same cable as signal cable..RM15/meter.

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post Jan 15 2009, 11:18 PM

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QUOTE(Faint @ Jan 15 2009, 09:55 PM)
I wish to mod my speaker, but I have no tool to mod it and afraid if I spoil my speaker  doh.gif
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Just a soldering iron will do the job...but quite difficult for newbie, because the cable was glued, so to pull it out while melt it with soldering iron is quite challenging. but the trace is wide enough, won't spoil easily...

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QUOTE(Faint @ Jan 15 2009, 11:42 PM)
Hmm.....I'm still not dare to do this.  shakehead.gif

Other that this, do you have mod satellite ?
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Not much to mod actually...maybe will change the high pass capacitor for the tweeter later, still finds the good cap now...about the inductor, quite difficult to find the smaller one that can fit inside the satellite.

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