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post Oct 31 2013, 11:47 AM

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QUOTE(ultimaweaponx @ Oct 31 2013, 11:27 AM)
what to get first for mythology item?
I almost have 900 for artemis bow +1 but not sure whether its a right choice for now
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This if you want optimal myth spending for BRD, for me I just went for the bling (Artemis +1), since with full DL, DL and AK accessories, it's more than enough for Coil 1-3 I guess, and I can slowly get the rest of the gear later.
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post Oct 31 2013, 11:53 AM

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i see. was worried with current full DL equipments are not enough for the coil.
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post Oct 31 2013, 12:01 PM

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DL is enough, you only need better gear for Turn 4 onwards from what I heard from my FC members in Turn 4

Hahaa yeah long time no see
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post Oct 31 2013, 06:18 PM

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QUOTE(valho @ Oct 30 2013, 02:42 AM)
Could be based on the mp the other uses, coz I can see that when were are not fighting and just recovering mp with mage ballad on, the mp drop quite slow, but during a fight it drop fast
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Ok thumbup.gif That is what I was thinking too. So there is no way to really predict the time for mana to finish.
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post Nov 3 2013, 03:55 AM

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For "when" to ballad or TP regen. I can only tell you from my experience in Titan or Coil of Bahamut.

You will sing ballad most of the time when whm mp is down to 1000-1500. (Battle Voice should be paired with Ballad most of the time)

Paeon is only needed when the group is focusing on using AoE skills to down groups of mobs (eg: Coil Turn 4 on wave 1 and wave 4). Other than that, you'll never have to sing TP song. all melee dps and brds have Invigorate to replenish 400/500 TP instantly.

Foe Requim is only needed in specific situation and only when your party have blm ( smn = i do not think you need to waste ur mp singing requim for smn). However, only use this when there's a 2nd brd for emergency ballad.

The above is just my advice on when to use each songs base on Coil of Bahamut turn 1-5. For normal dungeons, cm/ak/wp, use watever your party needs lol
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post Nov 7 2013, 11:28 AM

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QUOTE(valho @ Oct 31 2013, 12:01 PM)
DL is enough, you  only need better gear for Turn 4 onwards from what I heard from my FC members in Turn 4

Hahaa yeah long time no see
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not sure about bards but my smn completed turn 4 with full DL without any single set of myth..

a noob question here, for battle voice...should i use it 1st before any song or after i sing a song? logically it should be before singing right?

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post Nov 7 2013, 11:31 AM

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QUOTE(poipoy @ Nov 3 2013, 03:55 AM)
For "when" to ballad or TP regen. I can only tell you from my experience in Titan or Coil of Bahamut.

You will sing ballad most of the time when whm mp is down to 1000-1500. (Battle Voice should be paired with Ballad most of the time)

Paeon is only needed when the group is focusing on using AoE skills to down groups of mobs (eg: Coil Turn 4 on wave 1 and wave 4). Other than that, you'll never have to sing TP song. all melee dps and brds have Invigorate to replenish 400/500 TP instantly.

Foe Requim is only needed in specific situation and only when your party have blm ( smn = i do not think you need to waste ur mp singing requim for smn). However, only use this when there's a 2nd brd for emergency ballad.

The above is just my advice on when to use each songs base on Coil of Bahamut turn 1-5. For normal dungeons, cm/ak/wp, use watever your party needs lol
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erm i think song of requim is needed for summoner as well...i believe it helps alot during turn 5 conflag phase where summoner is quite effective with the song to have high crits on fester...should be around 1.8k crit
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post Nov 7 2013, 05:45 PM

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QUOTE(intothefantasy @ Nov 7 2013, 11:28 AM)
not sure about bards but my smn completed turn 4 with full DL without any single set of myth..

a noob question here, for battle voice...should i use it 1st before any song or after i sing a song? logically it should be before singing right?
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i usually use the song i want first and then follow with battle voice. not sure whats optimal but it worked.
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post Nov 8 2013, 10:40 AM

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QUOTE(intothefantasy @ Nov 7 2013, 11:28 AM)
not sure about bards but my smn completed turn 4 with full DL without any single set of myth..

a noob question here, for battle voice...should i use it 1st before any song or after i sing a song? logically it should be before singing right?
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I am in a static group, if my others in my party went and geared up, I can't just go and said I don't want to gear up because others can do it with full DL. By next week I'll have enough myth for my first myth gear anyway, so might as well get it. Anything for more dps and faster clear is good.

QUOTE(wanritsu @ Nov 7 2013, 05:45 PM)
i usually use the song i want first and then follow with battle voice. not sure whats optimal but it worked.
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Battle voice then song for me, Battle voice last for 30s anyway so more than enough time for you to sing after you use it.
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post Nov 8 2013, 10:57 AM

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QUOTE(valho @ Nov 8 2013, 10:40 AM)
I am in a static group, if my others in my party went and geared up, I can't just go and said I don't want to gear up because others can do it with full DL. By next week I'll have enough myth for my first myth gear anyway, so might as well get it. Anything for more dps and faster clear is good.
Battle voice then song for me, Battle voice last for 30s anyway so more than enough time for you to sing after you use it.
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Ud have wasted a few seconds from ur battle song buff by the time ur song's up if u do it that way tho. Quite a long cd once its used too.
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post Nov 8 2013, 11:00 AM

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incoming nerf for bard. but no detail have been release yet.
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post Nov 8 2013, 11:05 AM

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QUOTE(Axidrain @ Nov 8 2013, 10:57 AM)
Ud have wasted a few seconds from ur battle song buff by the time ur song's up if u do it that way tho. Quite a long cd once its used too.
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Seems like I misunderstood the skill description, noted

QUOTE(mikonito @ Nov 8 2013, 11:00 AM)
incoming nerf for bard. but no detail have been release yet.
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all because of noob that think bard are OP just cause they can move and dps
lets hope SE are smart in handling this.
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post Nov 8 2013, 12:00 PM

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yea, i think is ok as long we got 1 additional almost perma buff like -20% atk for bard damage but give 10% atk for all member in group, this is what support suppose to be @.@. if say they just blindly nerf bard then bard will have problem doing solo hunting ect.
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post Nov 8 2013, 12:35 PM

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QUOTE(valho @ Nov 8 2013, 10:40 AM)
I am in a static group, if my others in my party went and geared up, I can't just go and said I don't want to gear up because others can do it with full DL. By next week I'll have enough myth for my first myth gear anyway, so might as well get it. Anything for more dps and faster clear is good.
Battle voice then song for me, Battle voice last for 30s anyway so more than enough time for you to sing after you use it.
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think u got my part mistaken, did not say that u can stay on DL just because u can complete t4...more gear are better in terms of clearing the turns...the DL part is to said that is doable at least like the minimum requirements etc...not to say u should stay there...
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post Nov 8 2013, 01:30 PM

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The nerf might be in preparation for PVP being introduced in 2.1. As of right now, I doubt Bards have little problem killing the other classes.
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post Nov 8 2013, 01:48 PM

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QUOTE(intothefantasy @ Nov 8 2013, 12:35 PM)
think u got my part mistaken, did not say that u can stay on DL just because u can complete t4...more gear are better in terms of clearing the turns...the DL part is to said that is doable at least like the minimum requirements etc...not to say u should stay there...
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Based on what you said I was not mistaken, more like the way you word it is not what you intended it to mean but no point in discussing about that.

Better gear is always better regardless whether it's possible to clear it with minimum gear.
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post Nov 11 2013, 11:11 AM

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Hi guys,
want to know around how much HP do i need to go for raid up to turn 3/4?
I have 3583 HP currently
If i want to craft accessories and gem 5 materials how should i gem them?

Vit + crit 6 + crit 6 + skill speed + skill speed
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crit 6 + crit 6 + skill speed + skill speed + determination
or crit 6 + crit 6 + determination + determination + skill speed?

Any link for me to refer any pro bard's gemming?
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post Nov 11 2013, 05:21 PM

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QUOTE(PaoPaoZai @ Nov 11 2013, 11:11 AM)
Hi guys,
want to know around how much HP do i need to go for raid up to turn 3/4?
I have 3583 HP currently
If i want to craft accessories and gem 5 materials how should i gem them?

Vit + crit 6 + crit 6 + skill speed + skill speed
or
crit 6 + crit 6 + skill speed + skill speed + determination
or crit 6 + crit 6 + determination + determination + skill speed?

Any link for me to refer any pro bard's gemming?
Thanks
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Hi i am a noob bard. but this is what i generally refer to:

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Archer (ARC) & Bard (BRD) Secondary Stats

Critical Chance > Determination > Skill Speed

While you can’t allocate this directly, these will be heavily considered when picking gear upgrades and slotting materia.
Critical Chance - Nuts on Bards. Doing critical DoT damage with [Wind Bite] and [Venomous Bite] reset [Bloodletter].
Determination – Generic damage increase. Nothing special here.
Skill Speed - Even if returns are low, this stat is theoretically amazing on archers and bards. Why? 2 reasons. First, Enhanced Barrage is disgustingly strong. Second, Landing auto-attacks are essential to archers, who do not have a (dedicated) resource management mechanism. This has a soft-cap of around 1,000 where you hit the GCD cap of 1.50s.


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post Nov 12 2013, 03:45 PM

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QUOTE(ray123 @ Nov 8 2013, 01:30 PM)
The nerf might be in preparation for PVP being introduced in 2.1. As of right now, I doubt Bards have little problem killing the other classes.
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if anything need to be nerfed, i think BLM should deserve it first lol
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post Nov 12 2013, 03:55 PM

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Havent played bard(levelling one though.. ranged dps ftw xD) YET but IMO BLM shouldnt be nerfed as of now. Thundercloud/firestarter activates gcd which reduces potential dps. CMIIW but, bloodletter doesnt even use gcd right? Other than the 12seconds cd or windbite/venom bite procs? Might be biased but mehh tongue.gif

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