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vey99
post Jun 6 2006, 07:00 PM

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Hi there, my specs

Processor: Pentium D 830 (no OC)
HSF: Zalman 9500 w/AS5
Idle: 43C, Load: 65C+

Using 2 copies SP2004 both Stress CPU for 30 mins. Any Pentium D 830 owners out there I think my temps are too high ... thanks...


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post Jun 7 2006, 07:06 PM

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QUOTE(moderno @ Jun 7 2006, 01:17 PM)
hurmm... zalman 9500 with 65c on loads....

the temps should be like this or just the pentium d are so hot?  unsure.gif  me buta intel sket...huhu..

vey99: what's ur CPU temp before using stocks intel HSF? smile.gif
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I never measured the stock HSF because main reason I got Zalman was cos the stock HSF was so freakin noisy I ripped it out and sent it to the bin...

But for sure I clean the cpu nicely before apply Arctic Silver 5 (as per website instruction). The worse thing is my D830 is brand new and I cannot do overnight video encodes like I used to cry.gif

The very best part is, I had it at Idle: 35C, Load: 60C BEFORE I put in AS5 (using Zalman provided thermal paste).

For reference I also bought a tube of Coolermaster Nanofusion Thermal Paste and tested 2days, also IDLE: 42C, Load: 65C+

Going crazy oredi....



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post Jun 16 2006, 10:43 AM

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Couple of days ago I setup my rig to have 12cm intake fan, 12 cm exhaust fan
No change in temperatures... does that mean that the airflow is oredi sufficient?

In fact for the Intel Thermally Advantaged Chassis design (airguide on side panel and also vents above the PCI slots) maybe there is no advantage of intake fan except for cooling the HDD?

Anyway update my rig temps

vey99 / Pentium D 830 3.0GHz / Zalman CNPS9500 w/ AS5 / idle: 36C, load: 62C ambient 33C (aircon room)
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post Jun 16 2006, 07:27 PM

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Stock HSF cooling power is good but the NOISE... aargh like running generator in the room... of course if you turn up the speakers when blowing away Strogg its ok, but when doing work is very distracting.

Hyper6 higher temps than stock HSF? maybe the fan blowing towards PSU which cannot exhaust the heat fast enough....


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post Jun 17 2006, 07:14 PM

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QUOTE(sHawTY @ Jun 16 2006, 07:45 PM)
Stock HSF noisy?
Then u must be getting the tipui heatsink...

Original Intel Heatsink is those that is somekind quiet...
They don't suppose to be noisy...

I've seen a lot of Socket 478 Intel Heatsink...
Sometimes the shop change the original heatsink with the "local" one...

The original intel heatsink should be quiet...
Even if it produce some sound, the original one won't be noisy... tongue.gif
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Socket 478 HSF is not noisy (my Celeron 1.7 is quiet), but my celeron D HSF spin at 3300RPM darn noisy, and my previous Pentium D HSF also same. Maybe my ears fussy? .....hehe
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post Jun 18 2006, 10:44 AM

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QUOTE(sHawTY @ Jun 17 2006, 10:09 PM)
Those noisy intel fan is the "ciplak" one...
The genuine intel heatsink fan won't be noisy...  thumbup.gif

Maybe the one u're getting for u're celeron d, and the pentium d, has been replaced with a ciplak one..  sweat.gif
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You maybe right lah, my last two I din't assembly myself ... not good to be lazy ... if thats the case my "thanks" go out to Jayacom and Thundermatch...
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post Jun 19 2006, 10:12 AM

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QUOTE(davidletterboyz @ Jun 19 2006, 01:06 AM)
What's so surprising with rigmaster's temp? He is using a Cedar Mill, not preshot. Big difference there IMHO.... sweat.gif
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630 is preshot right? Anyway rigmaster should attach screenie cos I am sure forummers wanna see (snapshot of his rig even better) how to have good cooling with stock hsf...


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Yesterday installed a Coolermaster Hyper L3 HSF onto socket 775 pc. I bought it cos it use the std clip and no need to remove mainboard from case. But the pins are a little crappy and could not snap into place nicely. Always 3 legs fit, one more cannot "click" into place. Finally still had to remove mainboard...

Cooler: Coolermaster Hyper L3 low profile HSF
Temps: idle 42C @ 2800RPM but apparently can lower the speed to 1100RPM if use PWM for ultra-quiet operation but I dont think that is advisable cos the cooling power is not so good.
Pros: Low profile, quiet (good for small case)
Cons: Weak cooling power
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post Jun 27 2006, 01:08 PM

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QUOTE(sHawTY @ Jun 26 2006, 11:01 PM)
Got some silly question here...  tongue.gif

Isn't there any mini air conditioner that can be fit into those 5.25inch drive bay?
It's a good tools to make the inner of the pc cools...

Plus it's a good tool to make those air heatsink to works better..  laugh.gif

Thinking of asking my brother to build one as he is an electornic engineer...  rclxm9.gif

Ask him to cooperate with his friend to be together to build that thing...  rolleyes.gif
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I was studying various cooling, someone retrofit a bar fridge compressor onto the PC case, its about 5 inch in height. Crazy man. But the site goes on to tell that its really not practical cos the dampening you have to put in. Imagine your fridge sound/ air con outdoor unit sound. Or you could do something crazy like pipe it to an outdoor unit like split air con... hehe

Just stay away from Pentium D 830 *sob*. Those Procs with Thermal Rating 130W are the hottest ones...
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post Jun 27 2006, 02:04 PM

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QUOTE(davidletterboyz @ Jun 27 2006, 01:47 PM)
shocking.gif A decent HSF can't handle 130W? sweat.gif
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Hehe I'm just worried about the temps during load... anyway I'm done with my Intel. Most guys here all AMD kaki, time to build an AMD rig after so long loyal to Intel...


Shawty:

http://www.overclockers.com/tips1032/
on aircon cooling
"How-To Build A Refrigerator CPU Cooler"




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post Jun 27 2006, 05:10 PM

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QUOTE(sHawTY @ Jun 27 2006, 03:05 PM)
I know about this cooling system already...
It's using the technology of a refrigerator...

I don't wanna use this one, what i want is an air conditioner, the one that could fits into 2 @ 3 5.25 drive bay...

I want it to blow those cool air to all the parts in the system...

While the cooling system that u just show me only cools the processor...

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There is the Waffer PAC but I never see it here yet (~USD 75)
Homepage:
http://www.waffer.biz/THERMAL/English/Pac400.htm
Review:
http://www.amdboard.com/waffer_pac400.html



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post Jun 27 2006, 05:44 PM

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QUOTE(davidletterboyz @ Jun 27 2006, 05:18 PM)
Condensation.
PC Modding was selling this before IIRC. My opinion is the performance is not really impressive.... unsure.gif
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Ya . . When I switch on my aircon my temps drop by 6 - 8 C. But my tenaga bill .. aaargh...

Still apparently it takes up 3x 5.25 drive bays in height, and the highest setting ("snow") is apparently quite noisy. Prolly switch it to "snow" mode when doing overnight encodes...
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post Jun 27 2006, 11:35 PM

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QUOTE(AllnGap @ Jun 27 2006, 10:19 PM)
it's impossible, but it's not practical to do so.

considering the power consumption, you can have your CPU, GPU hooked up and overclocked to extreme speed de.

lowering the ambient temperature does not help as much as concentrating so much cooling on a single source of heat
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i agree but then i think some ppl oredi did cooling for everything else... nothing left to cool? laugh.gif
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post Jun 28 2006, 07:42 AM

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Last night I added 120mm fan to the front of my midtower at the 5.25" drive bays to exhaust cool air in (with A/C on). No temps change. So now running with only 1 case fan, rear (exhaust). My stupid case very hard to fit the fan at the front bottom due to its design...
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post Jun 28 2006, 06:44 PM

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QUOTE(sHawTY @ Jun 28 2006, 05:54 PM)
What type of casing do u use?
Hmm...
I think the only casing that offers the best air intake is the Powerlogic Atrix Casing...  thumbup.gif

Honey comb all over the case...  tongue.gif
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The brand is HEC, model is 6A (from the website) its very standard casing with 180W true power. Anyway this is just a transitional casing, I am shopping for a desktop casing that is black, tall enough to fit my Zalman HSF. Budget is < 300 so this weekend will drop by at LYP with a ruler cool.gif
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post Jun 28 2006, 09:44 PM

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QUOTE(sHawTY @ Jun 28 2006, 07:27 PM)
Why buy at Lowyatt Plaza?
Just buy it from Bulk Section in the Trade Zone...

Buy it from moderno...  thumbup.gif
It should be much cheaper than buying at Lowyatt Plaza...  thumbup.gif

Click on the "moderno" word to go directly to his profile...  thumbup.gif

Think about this...
[Just an example]

Cooler Master Cavalier 3
Lowyat Plaza Price: RM280.00  sweat.gif

Moderno's Price: RM220.00  thumbup.gif

You'll save RM60.00 then...  whistling.gif

Good choice isn't it?  laugh.gif
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Cool man I will check it out ya. rclxm9.gif

btw, my temps with no case fan, only 1 PSU fan and 1 Zalman:
Idle 45C, Load 80C and climbing its super silent but cannot pakai one might overheat anytime

This post has been edited by vey99: Jun 28 2006, 09:46 PM
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post Jun 29 2006, 10:07 AM

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QUOTE(sHawTY @ Jun 28 2006, 09:48 PM)
Huhh?
80Celcius?
U're using a fanless heatsink or what?  blink.gif
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I "achieved" 80C by disconnecting my case fan, and only the PSU fan and Zalman CNPS9500 running at 1400RPM with 2 copies of SP2004 running (small FFT).

Anyway I discover that this setup is perfect for use when A/C is on Iand I am surfing net and listening to MP3 (temps is 51C). When idle I can hear my clock ticking louder than my CPU...
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post Jun 29 2006, 09:07 PM

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QUOTE(siauann @ Jun 29 2006, 08:03 PM)
thermaltake tt pipe 101 wil perform better or the cm x-dream III?
some ppl says tat full copper hsf need a gd strong cfm fan to get good results...
does this means tat cm xdream III will perform better thn tt pipe 101?  unsure.gif
cz x dream III got copper core case n surround wif aluminium blk..
anyone?  unsure.gif
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The spacing between fins in the TT is quite close safe to say it needs a good cfm fan... but it looks cool and you got the freedom to stick whatever fan u want on it too

The dream 3 looks pretty standard HSF but the fan looks a little bulky. Theres a long debate on copper vs alum, but I still think copper would be better ... personally i'd get the TT and stick a nice silent fan on top, I think dream 3 is sort of a stock hsf replacement only... (since its thermal resistance is 0.4143)
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post Jun 29 2006, 10:11 PM

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QUOTE(siauann @ Jun 29 2006, 09:43 PM)
thx for ur info..actually i consider tt silent pipe top wif my vantec 92mm fan.. tongue.gif
wat do u mean by thermal resistence 0.4143?
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C/W rating - Celcius/Watt. Lower is better.

I refer to this article when I bought my HSF (funny how mine wasnt in it hehehe but I also refer to newegg.com)
http://www.overclockers.com/articles373/p4sum.asp

but I notice u oredi have Hyper48 how come change? or new rig?

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post Jun 29 2006, 10:28 PM

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QUOTE(Enigmatic @ Jun 29 2006, 10:16 PM)
HMM.. so C/W ratings is temperature changes per heat absorbed/energry absorbed... Am I wrong?

If so.. copper have a very low C/W rating... (muatan haba right in BM?)

*getting confused.. I'd better check*
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I just read the site and it seems lower is better so I just use it as a rule lah... but got some calculation which kinda makes sense also ... end of the day you still choose the coolest looking one (Coolermaster beetle)...

Copper is can transfer heat quickly as you can see from aircon also , and since the HSF makers call it thermal resistance then menas the less is better cool.gif

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post Jun 30 2006, 11:03 AM

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QUOTE(sHawTY @ Jun 30 2006, 10:48 AM)
So, the thing you're saying here is that the X dream III is good?  rclxub.gif
So it means that Aluminium + Copper is good for dissipating heat?
Just wanna ask, what about my Hyper 6+?
It's base is copper, the heatpipe is copper and the fins is aluminium, is it good too? sweat.gif

Need some answers here... rclxub.gif
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Like Vervain mention, and also hotly debated at Cu vs Al thread, I also think that best combo is Copper to conduct, AL fins to dissipate. Depend on how u use it lor, if you not OC and got good case exhaust I think your proc wont fry if the fan fail (for pure copper hsf). Anyway I set my emergency shutdown settings pretty low as protection also...

but the xdream is so small lah , enuf cooling power meh? I still think its a stock HSF replacement model rather than an enthusiast cooler.


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