look at torres...or andy carroll
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Sep 4 2013, 07:58 PM
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honestly i duno la how dis proven in the league thing can be made so big deal
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Sep 4 2013, 08:03 PM
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Sep 4 2013, 08:10 PM
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To say ozil is not proven in the league is just ignorant. He is regular in the world cup.. he is basically world class..why real madrid decided to buy him is already a good reason he is good enough for the league.. Ozil was offered to united .. If united is smart enough.. We could negotiate a reduced price.. Reports says he prefered a move to united. Letting go a player with his quality is just plain dumb.. Atm we really need a player that actually can pass front and gives those killer passes to rooney and van persie..ozil is a specialist in that.. We cannot say like oh he is an attacking midfielder we dont need him.. Ozil can play anywhere in the midfield if you watched him play in real. Plus we rely too much on rooney and van persie.. Ozil will reduced that burden.. Cleveley welbz young cant provide that assurance.. We lost a great chance to sign one of the world's best killer passer.. Now we are stucked with cleverley.. Flip table nao!!!! [/quote] easy brah.....ozil offer to united since 2010 (after world cup) united refuse that time.. at price 12m pound.... so even right now, united still refuse? why? i don't know...but on the bright side fellaini not bad thou cam play DM/AM can partner with carrick.. while ozil more 10 role(deep/ behind striker)we had rooney/ kagawa(now both injured p/s : further more, please give chance to lingard and januzaj,both look promising with pass btw just my 2 cent |
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Sep 4 2013, 08:20 PM
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part one:
QUOTE Bilbao newspaper El Correo have this morning compared Manchester United's pursuit of Ander Herrera to a Benny Hill sketch. They question whether such a scenario would have happened under Sir Alex Ferguson and call the club's approach 'sloppy' and 'irresponsible'. There are no punches being pulled in Bilbao. It's claimed that Manchester United have come out of this looking so bad that it will actually help Ander Herrera be re-accepted by fans of Athletic Club Bilbao. Such is the amazement at how Manchester United have behaved - bear in mind this is Bilbao leaned reporting - Herrera is being seen as a victim by many, rather than someone who tried his best to desert the club. His team mates are rallying around him and supporters haven't launched a hate campaign, there's been no insulting graffiti like there was with Llorente and it looks like a Bilbao closure of ranks with a big finger pointing toward Manchester. The newspaper again says that the problem was purely down to Manchester United not offering enough money for the player and not wanting to meet his release clause, something we covered yesterday. Manchester United apparently contacted Herrera in mid August, so the whole thing isn't as last minute as it perhaps seems. However, even a couple of weeks was probably too short an amount of time to get Athletic to play ball, and that's assuming Manchester United aren't totally at fault. El Correo says that the new people dealing with transfers at Manchester United didn't have the relevant experience and expected Athletic would reduce their demands at the death. They insist that Laffer (the law firm called all kinds of names since) were acting on behalf of Manchester United, and they back that up with quotes from an unnamed source at the Spanish league. The newspaper also claim they spoke to a source at Laffer who claimed they'd received an apology from Manchester United yesterday. We spoke to the law firm on Tuesday and it was clear they were frustrated with the situation but they are unlikely to be critical of a football club (Whether that be Manchester United or Athletic), they get a lot of business from them. Yesterday our own Tom Coast covered an alternative report from Spain that the transfer fell down mainly due to Athletic and their reluctance to play ball. The Spanish journalist who claimed that is now trying to backtrack and fall in-line with what others in the country are reporting, which makes the situation even more complicated. It's safe to say that everyone has a chunk of blame here with the probable exception of Laffer, and it's the legal firm who were mocked the most in the aftermath. SOS from the man himself: QUOTE I reached no agreement with el United. I am proud they made an offer for me, and that Athletic wanted me [to stay].I do not feel used by United, they made a formal offer. Athletic did not want to negotiate, I value that. They had to pay the €36m clause and, then, seduce me more than Athletic. I never saw myself elsewhere. The lawyers that were at the LFP did not represent me. I didn't even know who they were. At no moment did either I or my agent reach an agreement with United. SOS? ok someone messed it up somewhere. |
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Sep 4 2013, 08:32 PM
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QUOTE(alien2003 @ Sep 4 2013, 07:34 PM) wow, so much conflicting info going around this transfer window! ozil would have been a fantastic signing, but then we haven't even utilized kagawa properly yet! adding another player who basically plays the same role? for 42million pounds? not to mention the weekly wages? his sheer quality is tempting, but very mixed feelings due to the finances and squad as it is. much better to try and extract maximum value from kagawa! honestly, now that we have fellaini my biggest wish is not a blockbuster / marquee signing. it's to get the most out of the players we have and to get the youngsters integrated and performing. players like kagawa, anderson, nani, young, valencia have all shown in the past they can do good things when on form. the main challenge is getting them back to their personal peak performance levels again! we already have a pretty deep squad, so getting the best performance and avoiding injuries should be first priority. then in january or next summer, DM can have another crack at shaping the team as he sees fit. looking at how pogba is doing well for juventus, it would be nice if one of our youth/younger players could do the same in our team. cleverley started off really well when he first broke into the team, but his style of play (quick movement and passing) shines more when we are playing at our highest speed, or when he is playing just behind the strikers, which is not always the case. when the game slows down or he plays a deeper CM role, he doesn't seem to shine as much. |
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Sep 4 2013, 08:36 PM
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part 2:
QUOTE What really happened to Man Utd on deadline day… Manchester United fans needed a good transfer window. The league may have been won with an 11-point gap, but they were nervy after the departures of Sir Alex Ferguson and David Gill. United have performed well in the transfer market in the last decade. Sure, there have been the Djemba-Djembas and Bebes, but they’ve been outweighed by well-scouted emerging talents, as well as the coup of Van Persie’s acquisition. Financially, United were in a strong position this summer. Revenues, driven by burgeoning television incomce and sponsorship deals, are at an all-time high. The huge debts attached to the club in the 2005 takeover are receding. United had money to spend, but spending it proved more difficult. Cesc Fabregas was the number one target and United chased him for over a month. It didn’t happen. Other players were offered to United such as Mesut Ozil. United saw his mandate on August 16. The combination of high wages, a £40 million transfer fee and excessive demands from the agent meant United said no. United felt that they could always sign Marouane Fellaini and Leighton Baines. They got one at the last minute. But they also turned back to Spain last week, specifically Ander Herrera, Athletic Bilbao’s 24-year-old midfielder who usually plays behind the forward in the Basques’ 4-2-3-1 formation. He’s similar to Cesc Fabregas, though he’s nowhere as near prolific in front of goal. He can also play as a defensive or central midfielder. Herrera has scored two league goals in 61 Athletic league games. He’s not shy of seeing cards either – 12 yellows and two reds last season. He’s 1m 82cm, yet slight at 73 kilos. United bulked up Shinji Kagawa and David de Gea to better deal with the physical demands of the Premier League. Herrera’s a complete footballer, the man who sees the final ball United have been lacking in their last two matches. Reliable too. He played 54 games for Athletic in 2011-12 when they reached the Europa League final – and hammered United home and away en route. He’s bright on and off the field. On it, he transmits information from the coach to the team. He’s played for Spain at U21 and U23 level. He’s from a well grounded football family, his father was Real Zaragoza’s sporting director, where Herrera started his career rather than in the Basque Country. Some fans initially accused him of nepotism but such criticisms vanished as he became one of their best players and moved back north. After training well yesterday, Herrera will tell his side of the story today - that he never angled for a move away from Athletic - for he fears a backlash from his own fans. But, he’s a footballer, and when bigger clubs show genuine interest footballers tend to be interested in turn. It’s natural ambition and could Herrera be blamed for wanting to play Champions league football, for more money and on a bigger stage? Herrera wanted to go to United. He claims that United were his favourite non-Spanish club (don’t they all?) and rates his two games against United in 2012 as one of the highlights of his career. United fans have never seen a European following so loud and numerous as the 7,000 Basques who travelled to Manchester that night. Herrera saw two stars of that team, Javi Martinez and Fernando Llorente, move on. He isn’t desperate to move himself and is happy in Bilbao. He plays for a huge club in his home city alongside friends. But it was United. He was up for the move. As was his agent. Knowing that, United put a €30 million bid in on Thursday night. Clubs won’t bid for players they don’t think will want to come. Agents provide that information. Athletic knocked it back publicly on Friday morning through their president. He gave the usual fan-appeasing guff about Athletic being a special club, different from the others. And they are. They’re also very wealthy and don’t need to sell any player. It’s not like they can go and buy a replacement, unless he’s Basque. Llorente wasted last season because obstinate Athletic wouldn’t sell him. Martinez got out to Bayern Munich in a complicated deal, which took a month to conclude. United didn’t even have a week. The parties kept talking. Herrera, a regular starter, was benched on Sunday for Athletic’s game at the Bernabeu. United verbally met the €36m buy-out clause on Sunday night. That figure is on all four copies of a Spanish players’ contract, one which is registered with the league. It’s indisputable. That’s also when David Moyes was doing more homework on Herrera. He likes to know as much as possible about a player. With just 24 hours remaining until the transfer window shut, it was very late in the day, but United had missed out on earlier targets and declined others. Moyes thought the deal was doable. At 11am on Monday there was an impasse. Money. United were haggling. By 3pm Spanish time, the deal was on. Herrera’s side again understood that United had agreed to meet the €36m buy out clause, aided by the player agreeing to a reduced five-year contract of £3 million a year, not £4 million as originally agreed. Herrera was prepared to fly to Manchester. With no direct flights, it would have to be by a private plane. Unless he fancied rowing very quickly. (It’s actually possible to row between both stadiums.) As far as Herrera’s side could see, there were two issues which needed resolving: a medical and the actual transfer of money. One United fan joked: “It’s all sorted, Ed Woodward has just wired all €36m direct to Real Sociedad’s account.” There were other secondary issues to sort: a payment to Real Zaragoza and talk of a friendly in Athletic’s about to open new stadium. Herrera thought he was going. And then it went quiet. Spanish newspaper AS reported that three United representatives were at the Spanish league’s offices in Madrid to pay Herrrera’s buy out clause. Three pictured men were from Basque lawyers Laffer. This was news to Herrera’s agency, who also look after Gerard Pique, David Villa and Sergio Canales. Herrera was with IMG for several seasons until this summer when he moved to the new agency. The agents wondered who they were. Bizarrely, United claimed that they were being falsely represented by fake officials. It will be interesting to see where the lawyers send their invoice. Rodrigo Garcia, one of the three men, said: "We went to see the league over two technical issues. We were not representing the player or his agent." Rather than deposit the money, the three representatives (of who?) left after an hour at 7pm, citing extra paperwork. They said they’d be back. They didn’t return. The deal fell apart in confusion. By 9.10pm, Herrera’s people thought it was over. They couldn’t explain why. United had pulled out, but Athletic weren’t blameless. They obstructed, they agreed, they obstructed, they agreed. They’ll say it’s their right to be obstinate. Herrera is their player, not United’s. The player and his agent weren’t happy, neither were United. It was embarrassing and frustrating for everyone. Herrera’s agent was contacted by a journalist colleague at the Daily Telegraph and asked if he was frustrated by the collapse of the deal. “No frustration,” he replied. “Man United would have been a possibility if the club had agreed but it didn’t happen. Ander continues at a club where he’s very happy.” That’s the official line. Think of a swan who has been paddling across the Bay of Biscay in a storm. All may appear calm above the surface. United’s line was that they couldn’t persuade Athletic to bring down the buy-out clause. And by 9pm, United, confident that Fellaini was going to happen, shifted attention to Madrid’s Sami Khedira. Their behaviour was reminiscent of someone buying all their Christmas presents from a petrol station on Christmas Eve. Madrid rejected it immediately. United went back to Madrid, this time for a loan deal involving full-back Fabio Coentrao. United thought the deal was going through and completed the relevant paperwork. Madrid didn’t. Thiago Alcantara, Fabregas, Herrera, Khedira and Coentrao. Five players, five attempts, five failures. Not just United fans are baffled and angered by these farcical events, the players are hardly jumping with delight either. Moyes remains keen on Herrera. He’ll watch him closely and United may return. This time earlier and without the rush. It will make it easier for all parties concerned. I'll BE BACK |
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Sep 4 2013, 08:38 PM
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QUOTE(sinoffire @ Sep 4 2013, 08:20 PM) either the other clubs and press are having a field day poking us because of the transition (heck even gala is claiming we tried to sniff around sneijder), or our management needs to take an appraising look at how things were done during the window, and it can be (drastically) improved by the next window. if woodward is having trouble handling negotiations along with all his other tasks, hire a pro to do it full time! then he can keep his focus on getting more sponsorship deals and bringing revenue in! |
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Sep 4 2013, 09:32 PM
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For me,those who say Ozil unproven in BPL is just sore loser. When you can't eat the grape,sure will say the grape sour. We not like invest 42m for an unknown/raw talent player,he is OZIL, world class player. He is main starter for Real Madrid and Germany, top assist last season in La Liga. With the club statue and huge fan base, at least half of the transfer for ozil can return,or maybe more! I know everyone like Kagawa,include myself. Even I have the jersey with the name on it,but we have to admit that for now Ozil>Kagawa. Plus Kagawa/Rooney can't play week in week out,and generally our squad is good enough,but who don't want any addition?Especially player like Ozil,definitely will do good for the team.
I can see that bring in Ozil can be encourage force for other off form player (Nani, Valencia, Young), can spark and threaten them to perform in order to be in the 1st eleven. Like I post early for the formation,if any of the wingers still off form, we can use 4-2-3-1, with Kagawa Ozil Rooney and assign them free role (back to Ronaldo Rooney Tevez combo), RVP no longer worry don't have delicious/killer pass to him. What done is done,looking forward for next game, which is on next saturday,so long |
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Sep 4 2013, 09:52 PM
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QUOTE(beck_ken @ Sep 4 2013, 09:32 PM) For me,those who say Ozil unproven in BPL is just sore loser. When you can't eat the grape,sure will say the grape sour. We not like invest 42m for an unknown/raw talent player,he is OZIL, world class player. He is main starter for Real Madrid and Germany, top assist last season in La Liga. With the club statue and huge fan base, at least half of the transfer for ozil can return,or maybe more! I know everyone like Kagawa,include myself. Even I have the jersey with the name on it,but we have to admit that for now Ozil>Kagawa. Plus Kagawa/Rooney can't play week in week out,and generally our squad is good enough,but who don't want any addition?Especially player like Ozil,definitely will do good for the team. bro, everyone has the rights to his/her own opinion. just because i said unproven, no need to call ppl sore loser. remember the case wif veron? he was such a popular figure in serie A, argentina squad etc etc. but he was jst not fit for English football. there are a lot of talented players out there who just did not make the cut in english football. but thats not to say a proven player like Torres will do well everywhere lah. that 1 depends on the club playing style. but MU's record has always been going for those they need + those who hv proven records - eg van persie, cantona, berbatov (which didnt work out), carrick, rooney, etc. The only player which i remember that has not been in English football and that we paid a lot ....and flop....was Veron. I can see that bring in Ozil can be encourage force for other off form player (Nani, Valencia, Young), can spark and threaten them to perform in order to be in the 1st eleven. Like I post early for the formation,if any of the wingers still off form, we can use 4-2-3-1, with Kagawa Ozil Rooney and assign them free role (back to Ronaldo Rooney Tevez combo), RVP no longer worry don't have delicious/killer pass to him. What done is done,looking forward for next game, which is on next saturday,so long Yes, Ozil IS a class player. i was really really hoping we would buy him when he was only 12 mill pound. but we already have so many ppl in that position (then and now). thats why i don think we need to spend so much to bring a star player in. why not spend that money on positions we need? because at the end of the day, even we have Ozil, our midfield is still in a mess. Then what? spend another 40 million on a midfielder? total of more than 80 million? do you think Glazers would do that? anyway, this is just my opinion. we're all MU fans. no need to call each other sore losers just because ppl voice their opinions |
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Sep 4 2013, 10:12 PM
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Sep 4 2013, 10:16 PM
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dayum, that is one super nasty gash!!
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Sep 4 2013, 10:19 PM
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Spoiler wei! That's nasty!
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Sep 4 2013, 10:25 PM
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I'm angry! Ronaldo slams Ozil's £42.5m Arsenal move as Real stars queue up to question sale
QUOTE Cristiano Ronaldo has declared his anger at Mesut Ozil’s departure to Arsenal. Germany playmaker Ozil was a deadline-day record signing for the Gunners at £42.5million, with Ronaldo becoming the latest Real Madrid star to express his frustration at the move. According to Spanish paper AS, Ronaldo has told Portugal team-mates his views on Ozil's switch, which came hours after confirmation of Real's world-record £86million signing of Tottenham's Gareth Bale. 'The sale of Ozil is very bad news for me,' he said. 'He was the player who best knew my moves in front of goal... I'm angry about Özil leaving.' Real claim the move to Arsenal is a result of Ozil wanting to leave, but he had been told to go because the club need to pay loans taken out to bring in Bale, costing £100m-plus in repayments. Bale will not be able to offer Ozil’s ability to find Ronaldo with a pass anywhere on the pitch, as the Portugal star alluded to. Ronaldo's words come after a host of other top Real players spoke out on their team-mate's departure for London. Such was Ozil’s popularity at the Bernabeu, he was one of the few players with friends on both sides of the club’s divide. Ronaldo’s Portuguese contingent were all fond of him, while captain and Spain standard-bearer Sergio Ramos even risked former boss Jose Mourinho’s wrath to stand up for Real’s No 10. In a game against Deportivo last season, when Ozil was taken off at half-time, Ramos put the No 10 shirt on under his own for the second half. He felt Ozil was being unfairly targeted by Mourinho and if he scored was ready to rip off his shirt to dedicate the goal to his friend. And Ramos said following Ozil's departure: 'It's obvious that he is a special team-mate and friend. 'I've always had a real 'feeling' with him, and it's a shame. He's a great footballer, unique. 'Ozil would be the very last player who I would sell from Real Madrid, if it was up to me. I don't understand this. 'But he has decided, and the club too. We have a great team and I hope it will be a big year [for us].' Ramos took to Twitter to post a picture of him holding Ozil's last ever Madrid shirt, with the message: 'Your last match's t-shirt will be kept foundly with me.' Ozil's national coach, German manager Joachim Low, also expressed his surprise at Real getting rid of the playmaker. 'Many Real players like Sami Khedira or Cristiano Ronaldo are sad about the transfer,' he said. 'For me, it's incomprehensible that Real would sell one of their top scorers. 'Mesut is a sensitive player and he needs the faith from the club and the coach. 'It seems that was not longer 100% there at Real whereas Arsenal and their coach Arsene Wenger pulled out all the stops to get him. ![]() Aww |
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Sep 4 2013, 10:30 PM
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for a 24yrs old 40m++ ozil wont be that bad, kagawa is also 24.
look at the livpool game, imagine that we r still behind 0-1 and there r 10 minutes left on the clock, would u prefer to bring in cleverly, ando, kagawa, carrick or ozil? |
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Sep 4 2013, 10:34 PM
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Ronny don't be angry , come back to us
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RvP unhappy??
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Sep 4 2013, 11:31 PM
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[quote=zach1987,Sep 4 2013, 08:10 PM]
To say ozil is not proven in the league is just ignorant. He is regular in the world cup.. he is basically world class..why real madrid decided to buy him is already a good reason he is good enough for the league.. Ozil was offered to united .. If united is smart enough.. We could negotiate a reduced price.. Reports says he prefered a move to united. Letting go a player with his quality is just plain dumb.. Atm we really need a player that actually can pass front and gives those killer passes to rooney and van persie..ozil is a specialist in that.. We cannot say like oh he is an attacking midfielder we dont need him.. Ozil can play anywhere in the midfield if you watched him play in real. Plus we rely too much on rooney and van persie.. Ozil will reduced that burden.. Cleveley welbz young cant provide that assurance.. We lost a great chance to sign one of the world's best killer passer.. Now we are stucked with cleverley.. Flip table nao!!!! [/quote] easy brah.....ozil offer to united since 2010 (after world cup) united refuse that time.. at price 12m pound.... so even right now, united still refuse? why? i don't know...but on the bright side fellaini not bad thou cam play DM/AM can partner with carrick.. while ozil more 10 role(deep/ behind striker)we had rooney/ kagawa(now both injured p/s : further more, please give chance to lingard and januzaj,both look promising with pass btw just my 2 cent [/quote] He snubbed us for real madrid dude.. Not that we refused |
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Sep 5 2013, 12:42 AM
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Kawan2. lets just forget about ozil. He's gone. Move forward.
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