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 MSI Gaming Notebook V.II, The Refreshed model yet more powerful!

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Eiraku
post Sep 18 2013, 10:02 PM

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Just a reminder, if you DO decide to try a Win8 refresh, save up your savegames and stuff somewhere safe. EVERYTHING outside the "User" folders will be nuked clean, including stuff inside both "Program Files" folders.

I found that out the HARD way lol.

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post Sep 18 2013, 10:08 PM

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QUOTE(Unseen83 @ Sep 18 2013, 10:05 PM)
yes lolx hmm i expected MR.Eiraku would read before push the RED button(refresh win 8)
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Well, I did save all my stuff JUST IN CASE (even though it wasn't really easy lol, read below). Though I had little idea that I would be as destructive as that. Was expecting a more subtle "restore Windows directory only" deal like Windows Repair last time.

What's funny is the fact that I had NO WAY to normally copy and save my files to my external disk at that time (I couldn't boot into Windows AT ALL), I had to do it ALL from the F3 command prompt - that was some heavy typing right there.

Microsoft should have kept an option to do a simple Windows refresh without touching anything else on the disk.

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post Sep 18 2013, 10:45 PM

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QUOTE(Unseen83 @ Sep 18 2013, 10:12 PM)
wow what happen? too much porn... and some backdoor trojan delete soms .DLL system file and win8 won't load right hmm gosh that happen to me too... damm feel your pain...  hmm.gif
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Lol, no p0rn involved. Just me modding my Windows DLLs to allow for visual style themes. Turns out Windows Updates make manual uxtheme DLL modding a very, very bad idea in Win8.

Now using UXStyle and I have no more such issues.

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post Sep 19 2013, 08:37 AM

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QUOTE(fox_shinoda @ Sep 19 2013, 06:07 AM)
Now I know why Far Cry Blood Dragon was running sluggish on my GX60  doh.gif

Before this it was using the integrated graphic card. If the power LED is glowing white when running any game, it means it is using integrated, if it is orange then only it uses 8970M rclxms.gif

Had to change the settings to high performance, now running at 30-35fps on ultra settings  rclxm9.gif

SoS Thanks to this  icon_idea.gif
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Was thinking that this might be the case, but I had no idea of what solution to suggest as you're AMD based.

For Optimus cards it’s a simple process of adding a new application profile in Nvidia manager - which is good considering Optimus switching can be rather wonky as well, especially for older games.

@Unseen: Not really. I just get my "entertainment" from clean, uninfected sources... brows.gif brows.gif

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post Sep 19 2013, 11:13 AM

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QUOTE(HiT-AbLe @ Sep 19 2013, 11:06 AM)
I'm interested to get GT70-2OD, but it doesn't come with SSD drive, my question is it possible to install Crucial m4 128GB 2.5" SATA III SSD drive in this laptop?
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Yes, you should be able to. IINM the GT70 also comes with MSATA slots.

Need to check though, Unseen?

@Unseen: Optimus isn't perfect though, especially for older games.

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QUOTE(Unseen83 @ Sep 19 2013, 11:25 AM)
yup you have option to add 3 Msata + 1 sata or remove dautherboards convert to 2 Sata  smile.gif i remove my to make it 2 sata i dont see use having raid 2 and msata cost more...(well my opinion la)

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hmm optimus is better then enduro that for sure... i never said optimus perfect...  hmm.gif  by way who play old game?? and how old is the game?  hmm.gif
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Very old. My "3D Japanese Recreation" games date back to '03 LOL.

@hit-able: Yeah MSI is even the OEM for some "Gaming" brands like Mainline and Deviltech. Though, unlike Clevo (Sager OEM), they sell their laptops under their own brand as well.

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QUOTE(horns @ Sep 19 2013, 03:11 PM)
yeah i see you everywhere smile.gif

apart from the single fan, it was the spec of power brick that made me confused a bit. i did compared the various areas when i looked for the right laptop previously (yeah you know what i want biggrin.gif).

i felt confused when i saw that msi extreme comes with a 180W power brick. how come it can be that energy efficient?! (aw r4/17 is 240W when you have higher end cpu/gpu; clevo provides 230W to 330W; even asus is 240W for jh, 780m with 4700hq).

msi gt series has the potential to be customized when i want to. the problem is the more stuff i put in, the more power is needed. the power supply can become a serious bottleneck.

that's why i said it's a pity.
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Yeah, it's a shame. Thankfully for lower enders like the GE40, I can go scrounge up a 180w adapter for use even I don't really need it.

But for the top end to come with a 180w PSU.... It's either they're simply pushing the PSU to the very limit (well, we can't deny this possibility, we're not privy to the REAL tolerances of the PSU) - or MSI broke the laws of physics and got a top end machine running full throttle while sipping below 180w of power.

Looking at NOS (and the fact that the higher end 700 cards ALONE pull nearly 100ws of power), we can only say that the former must be true - which means that every MSI PSU is operating on the edge of its operating tolerances with very, very little power leeway to spare. Hence the need for the battery to buffer up the spikes (or risk throttling due to insufficient power).

Which in turn, kills the battery... Like Unseen duly noted.

Not the best way of going about things, but you gotta sell 'em replacement batteries somehow lol.

On a more serious note, let's just say MSI is able to optimise the power consumption to fit the adapters they have. This leads to lower manufacturing costs (savings of which is passed to us, the consumer), but like Horns said, it limits the "upgradability" of the laptop.

Well, most people REPLACE their laptops after 2-3 years anyway, and with this in mind what MSI is doing is actually economically sound.

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QUOTE(Unseen83 @ Sep 19 2013, 03:43 PM)
Eiraku@ u  work for msi do you... i know it!!!  msi found way to sell their battery!! i check MSI they seling RM550 GT60/70
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Nope. Just pure speculation lol.

If I work for MSI do you expect seeing me spouting conspiracy theories about MY OWN COMPANY?

QUOTE(horns @ Sep 19 2013, 03:49 PM)
yeah my concerns are about power supply mostly. to me this can only lead to one conclusion: with stock configuration, everything will be fine (minor upgrades are fine too). once you start stuffing things into it, the story might be different.
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THIS.

In the end, MSI doesn't really "condone" user upgrades anyway so this point is actually moot. They DON'T expect you to stuff power consuming things inside and use their laptops with the batteries out to begin with lol. Hence them providing what is NEEDED by the base config (and regional variants) without providing any buffer for "future expansion".

I mean, if the laptop is imminently upgradable, who's going to buy the model that replaces? It's called Planned Obsolescence, and while everyone does this, let's just say MSI is slightly more obvious (or to put it in a better way, LESS DEVIOUS) about it.

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QUOTE(horns @ Sep 19 2013, 04:01 PM)
don't get me wrong. i believe with the minor change msi laptops might be a better choice to many.

well.. we all know pushing psu and battery to the edge can lead to shortened shelf life of both. so i don't agree that savings part is beneficial to us consumers.

nevermid.. as long as you're happy with the laptop, that's enough smile.gif
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Well, I'm not saying what MSI is doing is entirely GOOD for US, the 10% of laptop users who actually know what's going on inside their laptops. What I'm saying is simply that what they're doing makes good sense, for THEM and for 90% of the people out there who just want to play games, don't really give an eff about what's inside (besides it being the LATEST AND FASTEST) and replace their laptops on a regular basis.

*ehem*gamers*ehem*.

I mean, I'll be the first to feel good the moment MSI decides it's a good thing to supply their laptops with better PSUs, but I really don't think they're going to do anything about it. They don't really believe in "appeasing the masses" with small details like that, because their target market simply isn't the 10% of us who care.

MSI's game is more "cheaper for even more stuff compared to the competition" after all - for now anyway. Unfortunately, the "shortcuts" taken to get there might only be visible to us "enthusiasts", and the "GAMERZ" crowd that MSI is trying hard to attract, has no idea.

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QUOTE(ThisIsBoletaria @ Sep 19 2013, 04:37 PM)
That sounds reasonable, until you consider the possibility that someone else apart from you might encounter dying PSUs because of MSI's power supply configuration.  You managed to figure out what the problem was because you're pretty technically savvy (impressively so, I might add), and you know about resource sites like Notebook Review.  The average GAMERZ isn't and doesn't, and if the number of cases gets high enough it would be detrimental to MSI's reputation and sales.
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Well MSI operates like any other "big corporation" after all, they won't actually DO ANYTHING unless the number of cases get HIGH ENOUGH.

Unfortunately, seeing how the Internetz isn't ablaze with OH MAI MSI PSU IS TEH DYING threads, I can simply say that we ought to give MSI the benefit of the doubt and consider my "infamous dying adapter" story more a tale of caution than one of outright imminent threat. Until we can find another case of it happening, it might have just been a fluke with the Coolermaster adapter - after all the laptop is supposed to "throttle down" due to insufficient power rather than blowing up a PSU.

@Horns: The moment I find a company that ACTUALLY caters AND cares for this 10% of the laptop user demographics, I'm gonna love them forever. Illegear, for one, is fast becoming the top brand on that list for me - even if I don't end up buying their stuff.

MSI on the other hand, is simply coming up with "interesting stuff". No matter what their operating practices are like, how can you ignore something that looks like and is specced like the Razer Blades for half the price - especially for someone like me who values mobility above EVERYTHING else.

I mean, my initial searches in the very beginning for the replacement for my aging M1210 were simply of "gaming ultrabooks", after all. And while the RE13 certainly IS diminutive, the short battery life stops it from being a strong contender in my books.

Like you, I knew what I wanted and unfortunately, only MSI had what I was looking for. And now with the GS70 (and hopefully the GS60) they seem to be the ONLY people (besides bloodthirsty Razer) committed to that niche anyway so I'll probably stick around here even through Maxwell and Skylake.

DAMMIT CLEVO COME UP WITH A THIN GAMING LAPTOP (with reasonable battery life) ALREADY!

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QUOTE(davidmak @ Sep 19 2013, 05:10 PM)
Hey GT series owners, not sure if you all notice any color inconsistencies on your Steelseries backlight keyboard. I just found out when display light blue, at the bottom row... just a few keys e.g. Alt Gr (right hand side), Ctrl, right arrow key, etc are slightly off colored. They tend to be 'green' compare to the rest of the keys. LOL! Other colors are fine.

I verified on Youtube videos, another owner seem to have similar problems too. So much for a minor imperfection hehe...
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My keyboard is not even 100% level LOL. There's a slight (and by slight I mean a few MMs) bump along the = [ ' / keys.

Any pics of the issue? And it only effects light blue right?

@Horns: Mentioned Illegear specifically because they're the only local Clevo guys, and so far they're doing a dang good job at it. I do agree they need more variations though, but the RS-15 Lite idea is GENIUS in my book.

The current "static speakers" issue with the RE-15 is interesting, however. Let's see how they get themselves out of this.

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QUOTE(zaicon @ Sep 19 2013, 05:38 PM)
Omg. I thought I was the only one. Yup practically the bottom right side of those keys actually lit a different color than selected, especially if you select mono-color, and unfortunately, not only light blue, but most light colors (light red was okay) but if you chose dark colors or multi-color, cant tell the difference  sweat.gif
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Hmmm. I guess issues related to having multi-coloured LEDs: Colour Overlap. They have to turn on SOME of the green LEDs to make it "light blue" IINM.

Any of the stuff from other manufacturers having similar issues? I don't even have backlighting (I have never even OWNED a laptop with backlighting LOL) so can't comment more.

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Lai lai lai lai.... 5 days to payday. Now not sure if wanna go for M5Pro or M5S. To devsleep or not to devsleep... hmm.gif
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QUOTE(davidmak @ Sep 20 2013, 10:51 AM)
M5Pro biggrin.gif
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Devsleep (and extra 2 years warranty) worth RM300 extra? Uhhhh.... rclxub.gif rclxub.gif rclxub.gif
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QUOTE(davidmak @ Sep 20 2013, 11:01 AM)
I believe the M5Pro has better writes performance. If you just want to offload Windows into the SSD for better boot times and the rest remains in your HDD, I guess any consumer grade SSD with good read performance should suffice.
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All I want is a decent SSD with MLC chips, good power consumption and NO SANDFARCE.

Storm88!!!!! Lai lai save me one Plex M5S 256GB!

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QUOTE(Unseen83 @ Sep 20 2013, 11:00 AM)
5 more day pay days...? gov also then...  what pay gred? lols  biggrin.gif oh what Devsleep?

edit : which gov sector? Service/Admin@PM/ edu/health ?
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Pay grade? I office boy oni lol. I'm in the Edu line BTW.
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QUOTE(DarkknightDK @ Sep 20 2013, 02:32 PM)
ITS ABOUT TIME!!! BF4 beta in Oct 4 haha!
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Damn, BF4... Something else to finish my money on.
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QUOTE(kikiboy @ Sep 21 2013, 11:15 AM)
Hey guys, if i were to go to msi service centre for repair, do i need to bring just the laptop itself or everything?
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Not sure. To be safe just bring the laptop, receipt and adapter.
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QUOTE(davidmak @ Sep 25 2013, 03:42 PM)
Apologies, I should have included AMD into the mix. But I meant Nvidia only offerings la.... and the MSI system as a whole. While 8970M is indeed good stuff, but in MSI verse it is mated to an APU. Sorry ah brothers...  tongue.gif
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Don't forget the 755 coming for the Lenovo Y-series. THANKFULLY there's already a 765 so I'm not butthurt much lol.

Damn, not posting as much nowadays, just not enough stuff to complain about any more. The GE40 is chomping everything I give at it at a reasonable pace with zero issues. I DID wrap up the metal lid with some clear vinyl though - now it's scratch proof AND fingerprint UNfriendly.

I DO have to postpone my SSD project due to other commitments though (I busted my smartphone screen). That CD-ROM drive is just eating up precious space though, and it's bugging me to no end.

Lai lai Battlefield 4 open beta next week!

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QUOTE(180sx @ Sep 25 2013, 06:29 PM)
Guys....any of u experience wifi dropped to Limited Access when idling?
I already updated to latest Killer driver...still the same sad.gif

Any ideas?
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Latest killer wireless drivers from the KILLER site or the MSI site?

For me both drivers end up giving me that problem, as I probably I had issues with router compatibility. So I just went back to the my Intel Advanced-N.

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