I've seen the red and the blue one. I have not seen the other colours. Black, silver and white. Are there any current proton cars which use the same colour? I want to see the colour for myself. Leaning towards red colour ATM. Have not seen the other 3 colours in the flesh though. Which one is nice colour aside from blue?

Black colour here:
http://funtasticko.net/jom-jawab-survey-ini/

White here:
http://funtasticko.net/panas-lagi-foto-pro...chp3-22a-bocor/
http://www.arenakereta.com/2013/08/18/prot...hingga-rm79638/

Silver?
http://www.arenakereta.com/2013/08/19/berb...oton-suprima-s/

All pics:
http://paultan.org/2013/08/28/driven-proto..._s_review_-105/

This post has been edited by mystvearn: Sep 3 2013, 10:01 PM

Red to be different

Already have black, silver car. No need another black car. White, red, blue not yet

Wait 1 year, you see that same BMW just pass through as if nothing

+1

New car launch, you see it on the road, normal thing to do is tailgate the car. Last time when I bought savvy, just after launch, 2nd day do 500 km distance on highway, since new engine, drive 70km at slow lane, I saw BMW, Merc, Audi, Toyota, Honda all speed at right lane, then pull behind me, 2 mins, see car, then pass the car, and see their heads all turn back one kind. Expect any new car to be given the same treatment, except of course, if you can't catch the car in the first place.

Saw a F430 spider, decide to tailgate it see up close, driver decided to just disappear.


BTW, those owners who bought the car/received the car, any discount given? Got free gift of any kind? Or you can choose gifts?

After preve facelift...introducing new BLUE colour

Test drive review:

-Seating position is actually high. If you are coming from myvi, no problem here. If you are coming from Ford Econovan, then driving position maybe too low for you:P If you are coming from Perdana, Prelude, Celica, CRX then need to get used to. Cannot detect in showroom. Maybe not driving.

- GPS unit not working. Error screen come out. Not sure lack of that Yes wifi thing or because they did not install the antenna on the car. They purposely removed the antennas from all the cars they brought. Maybe afraid of theft or something.
- Car boot button needs some getting used to.
- Not sure front parking sensor working or not. Tried to creep at the car in front at traffic light. It is not proper parking, that is for sure. Did not manage to trigger the sound even though I see the sensor display on the screen showing the car distance. Maybe the sensors are for front corners, rather than totally at the front.
- Like Paultan review: DRL is bright but can only be viewed at a very specific angle. You look from a higher angle, not directly at it to see the full effect.
- Android HU unit may be dim in sunlight.

+ The car handles very well. First thing SA told me was, I want you to floor the car as hard as you want. Achieved 120km, 130km easily. You can slalom at 120km, though I think it is more down to the driver's wits to actually break the car's handling. That plus you need to turn off the traction control (not sure possible to turn off or not). Bumps dealt with quite well. Steering wheel lighter than Perdana, heavier than Accord. Easy for U-turn. CVT sound way down-I think best NVH car Proton has made. However, if you do more than 120km, noise starts to come in. So I guess keeping it at 120km and you should be fine. The Accord 2.0 was acceptable in NVH. About there. If want better NVH, try 7 series. Cannot hear anything. If you turn on radio, will not hear sound. CVT whine is there but way down also. I don't know what SA meant when going down hill, the car tyres open up and rear tyres don't drag. I have to note that I manage to make some sort of inspection check light come out at the dash while hammering the car and doing sudden brakes. Car was at 500 km, but fuel consumption registered 15.3/l....which cannot be right. Or maybe I mistake that for Trip A or something.
+ Paddle shift responsive. In the Honda, this thing takes few seconds to engage. More like it waits for the perfect rev to engage. You can downshift up to 4 gears (or up to redline). Tried from 7, managed to get it to 3. I see huge overtaking potential in this. No idea what the "S" mode on the gear is for when you can just press the paddle shift directly. Also, no idea why you want that +/- gear change. Maybe if you dreaming want to be Sebastian Loeb, then I can see using the stick, which is still slower than pressing paddle shift. Pressing brake, auto overrides and goes back to D. Downshift or upshift is possible from D, depending on engine rev.
+ The resistive screen is not that bad. Maybe since I did not scroll down and just press buttons. All work well. Managed to pair my hp to the car. Can control phone music via BT or on the phone. So 2 way control. There are a lot of functions of that android radio, and you actually need to sit down and try every feature because there are a lot of features. Only problem, layout not that intuitive. Looks like gingerbread era OS. If can root this, and install custom rom, already great.
+ Went with mom. First thing she said that, the fit and finish way better than Perdana.
+ I really like the auto-lock feature and the pull lever once to unlock, once to open the door. Same system used on mercs. Maybe too used with that feature.


Seen all colours. White is solid, RM400 cheaper. Red = that preve test drive unit. Blue is the colour you cannot miss. Even you want to miss is hard, more like light blue colour. Black will go well if you want everything black as radiators are black. Silver, normal silver car. I think most people will go with the Blue or Black colour.

That YES dongle is included with RM60 prepaid, not free one year. If you finish RM60, thats it. You can topup the dongle. The radio can pair with that, or your phone. I suspect a lot of people will just pair it with their phone after finishing the free amount. Easier that way.

Will proton regain top spot from Perodua with this car- I can say no. This car is niche product. Those can wait better wait for the Preve FL if they need the boot. If you don't need the boot, I don't see any problem.

Truthfully, the engine will not beat the 2.0 N/A vtec anytime soon. It comes close, better than the Perdana in terms of delivery.

Only other problem I see is how do you convince people that the car itself is fine. It is just that thundercat logo they need to forget. In order to do that, Proton needs to come out with at least 3 more blockbuster cars after the Suprima. More like good value cars until 2015 just to change perception. Then another 5 years (8 years total) to make sure that current proton owners go back to proton for their next car. So that is the proton roadmap until 2021 sorted. Honda was great value in the 2000s, to me just average now. The best value proton will always be the FL model or the model which is based on a new model. Suprima is just that, a Preve FL without the boot. Preve owners doing all the complaining.

Perception is one strange thing, that after trying out the Suprima, I wanted to go test drive the Rio. Nothing wrong with the Suprima, just that in my head, is it better than the rio. Will it beat the Accord in refinement. No. Beat the Perdana, yes by a big margin. You go away from this car with a mindset, now what cars are better than it at that price range.

Though, if you do buy a Proton, I think no need to put Jalur Gemilang on the car (if your boss ask to put). "Say I buy proton-already patriotic"

This post has been edited by mystvearn: Sep 5 2013, 04:29 PM

I see. Did not know that. So SD card must not be in then. Kind of defeat's the purpose of having android but still need SD card. I rather it pair on wireless and get data on demand.

The front sensor was not turned on when I started driving. Either that or the 7" screen did not show the car until I forgot what I did, a picture of a car from top view come out with sensor wave pattern.

So SA tipu or don't know then

I'm 5ft10, I find it ok. Maybe the seating is at lowest on the test drive car. I had to increase the seat height position. After that, there was still room for myh head to spare.

Does anyone know or any owners know what is that 5 year warranty is? What are the T&C?

Not mentioned on the proton edar website.

That is proton's problem from being complacent from about wira (1993) onwards up to savvy (2005). 12 years.

Inspira is a success because it is a cheap Lancer. You get a C segment car <RM100k.
Exora is a success due to the very same reason. You get a lot for your money. Same with Saga, more true with the Saga SV.

You can fight on price forever, but then people will think, Proton as their very first car, then get over it, move on to other cars. There is a huge danger in being a 'budget' car maker. 1: It will enforce people's perception that proton can sell cheap cars because special treatment. 2: When proton does try to offer something expensive which is not rebadge, people will be afraid to buy. If that is proton's "global car" strategy, then it is doomed. 3. Pessimistic comments on failure.

Once you move the budget RM60k>>, buyers have more choice especially if there is no competition for the car. If they want to avoid proton, they can buy a almera, fiesta, rio. Cheaper too even though vehicle class is different, spec different. For cars above 60K, Proton has to be nail on the quality and car type. There are actually very few Inspira's now on the road because it is of higher price, and people can just migrate to other cars if they want to. I can only think of one good reason why it is still selling, and it is that it is a rebadge, someone else made it first.

The very fact that you have people spending 70k+ on a proton (not Exora) and not inspira is actually quite a good feat no matter how pessimistic your view is on Proton. Something must be right somewhere that these people still have faith in Proton to part with their hard earn cash. AFAIK, there are about 700+ bookings now (in the 3rd week of sale) on the Suprima, so either we have 700 idiots who don't know better or something must be right somewhere that they are willing to let go of their cash Weak proton sales can be seen in the Juara, Arena, Tiara. Those were even cheaper cars than the Preve/Suprima. Even when those cars were launched, buyers do have a choice-which is not to buy them.

Arena was the cheapest pickup truck-still very weak sales (in Malaysia). Good sales in Australia. Juara, worked in Japan, never seem to caught up here.

You cannot have high expectation, but only be prepared to pay peanuts...because it is a Proton or local business. Like this any business can go bankrupt. This is especially true for people doing service based business in Malaysia. You cannot say, you local, patut cheaper than oversea service la. This kind of mentality is one reason we cannot maju. In UK, they value their labour so much that it is very well priced. You become a plumber in London, can earn 200k pounds a month-that is working solo. If work in smaller city, expect 80k a month. All construction work done by local people. Those Polish people only go pick strawberry or do cleaner job. For comparison, a Prof at uni base pay start at 44k. So plumber richer than prof.

This post has been edited by mystvearn: Sep 5 2013, 11:18 PM

I see. Did not know about that. Even test drive car with SA...still afraid?

No wonder. Even antenna also removed by SA to prevent theft. I guess if got pocket doraemon, then the whole car will lesap

Thanks for letting me know

Not sure. If the RPM is too low, the D will kick in. So you need to time with the downshifts. I did around 100 km on 7th gear, then every downshifts seem to increase the RPM by 500. Max I got was from 7th>3rd gear at almost redline. After that, it will not downshift to 2.

It is very common to not use auto headlights. The accord have auto headlights, I still use the manual because, the auto cannot turn on the position lights during dusk/dawn time. The auto lights are either full or no light. It needs to be quite dark for it to on, so I rarely use the auto light.

I see. Thanks. I guess the checklist item when buying a car is about the same with preve as well

Already answered there. Unless you are flooring the car as well, then will maintain that high RPM

On the Accord 8th gen 2.0, there are no DRL. It only has auto headlamps

I don't use it because the system is dumb for dusk/dawn time. I tried it few times. I want the position lights, but in the accord the auto lamps only knows two settings. Full ON/OFF. Thats it. I either get into a situation where:
1. Dusk-night sky, still got light-even at 730 pm, then sudden on, while everyone else using position lights.
2. Sometimes not that dark, at 7 pm, it turns on-full lights, everyone else still not even using their position lights.
3. It gets dark at 630pm, everyone open lights, then at 7 pm, bright as day, everyone else close lights. Lights still on there.
4. Or When it is turned on, after coming out of the tunnel, it takes time to turn off.

Situation 4 I can live with. Situation 1, 2 and 3 no.


Another reason is that the system is only as good as clean as your mirror is..which for long distance, heavy rain, does not work as mirror get dirty. The sensor is on the dash, and not on the window though. Mind you the Accord does not have rain sensor, or intermittent adjuster as well, which is annoying for drizzle conditions.

Since the sensor is on the dash, I've tried few times closing with my hand partially, close full, open see how fast the system is. I can say it is slow. I know why it is slow, because it does not want the light to ON/OFF when there is shadow. No matter how I try, I still can't get the position lamps only to turn using the auto function.

I don't use it cause my brain knows better

Is the Suprima dyno chart the same with preve or different?
http://www.bloggermiey.com/2012/04/proton-...-dyno-test.html

I cannot find the suprima chart online. Helps me understand how to drive the car. If there is no more power after 4.5k RPM, then I don't want to keep flooring it.

While at it, ypu might want to install the Pioneer Appradio3

This post has been edited by mystvearn: Sep 6 2013, 09:52 PM

I think there should be enough owners now that they can start a proper Suprima S thread at the car club.

Or no one want to take the responsibility

Can already start booking thread

[quote=mat79,Sep 7 2013, 09:52 AM]
[quote=mystvearn,Sep 6 2013, 06:08 PM]
Is the Suprima dyno chart the same with preve or different?
http://www.bloggermiey.com/2012/04/proton-...-dyno-test.html

even using 7 speed mode,one cant dyno it due to cvt nature. the result is inaccurate unless using manual gbox.

suprima n preve n eb has same power output. the difference is just power delivery n sensitivity which cntrol by ecu through dbw throtte.

being torque based ecu,one can adjust it according demand.

what happened to preve is that torque rettention below charged point. remember,cvt is famously known for its slingshot@some people cal it rubberband effect,even technically,rubberband effect didnt exist anymore due to mechanical changes in newer cvt.

so,in order to reduce this,to help ease of driving during park or in the parking area or housing area,the torque isnt fully release.

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[quote=mat79,Sep 7 2013, 10:10 AM]
since preve is lighter than eb,so,more torque retention applied. in suprima,they make it sensitive,release more torque. normally this happened at 1.6krpm n below.

preve pedal sensitivity already revised on new software. thats why in preve when reaching 2k rpm,then u feel the power coming n its sudden, while supprima its more linear.

eb,due to its weight,more is being release,but the weight did help to counter it effect. thats why preve n suprima have traction cntrol,incase some may excessively pressing the pedal at parking lot.

n fc also affected by the way becoz when using torque based ecu, the sudden need of torque causing the fuel rail to spray more fuel to produce torque.

remember,in cvt,even slight pedal movement,the rpm is easy to jump to 2k rpm. while in manual or other gboxes,its still up n down motion every gear change,n the gear did hold how much speed u can speed up.

example,2k rpm in cvt means 0kmh to 90kmh,while 2krpm in 1st gear mean maybe 20kmh only.

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I see. Thanks. So that dyno inaccurate then?