There are so many SC2 tournaments, which one to focus one? and it's kinda sad to see the Koreans dominating SC2, I mean come on, where is the fun, doesn't feel like it's a global game, just like dota few years ago, China dominate the world, in top 8, there are 6 China teams, in SMM 2011, a malaysian international dota tournament, i even stopped watching when i know it's china vs china at grand final. In SC2, where is all the other famous non Korean? Grubby, Thorzain, etc etc, all I see is that mostly start from quarter final, is it all Koreans, the non koreans didnt join or all got knocked out? and which tournament is the best interesting right now? there are few going on but I am not sure which one to focus on.

The simple answer is watch what's convenient xD.

The Non koreans a lot join but again the numbers depend on which tournament you are watching. Dreamhack or EU based tourneys a lot of them. Asia side expect more Koreans.

Kinda sad that Koreans are dominating? I don't get this.

Just like in SCBW, Koreans are the lifeblood of the SC2 scene. I personally like watching Koreans play because they're the cream of the crop. The best of the best. And many of the Korean vs Korean games end up as spectacular games. I used to watch the NASL and the non-Koreans just do not play at the same level as the Koreans in SPL and GSTL. Korean mechanics are just awe-inspiring and a cut above non-Koreans.

Non-Koreans vs Koreans are nice games too, because the Non-Korean just tries his best to play against the Korean and the Non-Korean gets to show some flashes of brilliance. Sen, Naniwa, MoonGlade, Stephano are, in my opinion (note the emphasis), a few guys who could give a Korean a run for his money, but over a Bo3, Bo5 or Bo7, my money's always on the Korean.

Yes, in any tournament with marquee Korean players, always expect to see a Korean bracket starting at the Round of 8. The just-concluded ASUS ROG tournament had a few good Koreans on board, and, if I remember correctly, only 1 (or probably 2) Korean/s failed to make it out of the group stages.

And here's why Koreans (like Taeja, Stardust, Jaedong, DongRaeGu, Hero, among others) compete outside Korea: They know that they cannot (or will have a difficult time if they) compete within Korea, most especially against the ace players Flash, Innovation, Soulkey, Rain, among others. They know that they have a better chance of winning against non-Koreans outside Korea.

Grubby, Thorzain, TLO against Taeja, Stardust, Jaedong? This might go either way but, I'm sorry, but my money is still on the Koreans. But I do hope the Non-Koreans still show a good game and not be roflstomped.

Grubby, Thorzain, TLO against Innovation, Soulkey, Rain? No contest, Koreans all the way.

Kinda sad that koreans are dominating? some kind of raycist? lol

because korean work harder and practice harder.

Oh OP is like, I hate they because our players are lazier than them lol

This post has been edited by pepsi89: Aug 5 2013, 09:24 PM

not saying that I hate Koreans, it's just boring to see an ethnicity conquering the game it would be better to see more ethnicity at higher plays, just like dota2, there are europeans, asians, americans and stuff, it's like saying chinese are good at basketball and malays are good at soccer, what's the good of it? now that is racist saying chinese are good at basketball, there should be multiple races enjoying at top plays

well, who's the closest non-korean that is almost on par with most pro korean? the one that has the highest winning records against korean

Stephano very macro zerg. 12 minutes roach all in, so imba that build in wol.

Idra also quite good.

This post has been edited by GodJesterZ: Aug 5 2013, 11:23 PM

the koreans are good in sc because they are interested in the game and it is the cultural since long time ago, u cant force people from other countries to be good in sc2 if they dont have interest in it just to feed your desire to watch equally multinational competitive game, they can be good in dota2 as well imo but they dont find it interested thats all

The only non-Korean I could say held his own against Koreans is Guillaume "Grrrr..." Patry, because he's the only non-Korean who has ever won an OSL.

I already answered your question in my previous post. The best Koreans right now? In my opinion? Innovation. Soulkey. Flash. Rain. And you still ask which non-Korean comes close to them?

None. Not even close.

HuK, Thorzain and Stephano competed for EGTL in the just-concluded SPL. They played against Koreans every week during the SPL. Stephano was the "best" among the non-Koreans with a 4-8 win-loss record. He's nowhere close to Korean level. Grubby? Irrelevant since HotS was released.

HotS is a very unforgiving game for those who do not have the best mechanics. So, as far as HotS is concerned, non-Koreans just do not have enough to match what Korea has.

I don't know how else you could talk about SC2 if you get bored with watching the best (the Koreans), while everyone else in the world watches them so they could learn more than just builds.

Edit: By the way, Stephano will be retiring after August 15 to start medical school so yeh, one less of the best non-Koreans.

This post has been edited by EnTaroAdun23: Aug 6 2013, 08:49 AM

Medical school huh....thats a long way to go lol. then again he's 20 now unlike my 23 :s.

i read alot about sc2 saying about mechanic, what exactly is the mechanic? like tricks? or?

Here you go.

This post has been edited by EnTaroAdun23: Aug 6 2013, 11:11 AM

Make sure worker units are being produced.

I play zerg sometimes and I just dont know when to stop producing drones, my drones is so many, its like around 100 counts, becoz I have 4-5 bases, and plus 4-5 queens, which left around 70-80 supply for my army only, I guess sometimes u have to stop producing your workers at mid-late to late game?

wa...can manage 4-5 bases with 4-5 queens, so pro sial.

100 drones excessive d. 80 is good enuf lol. Your main base should run out by the time u have a 5th.

just inject with queen only is easy ar, but sometimes build extractor and manage drone there plus defending it, I cannot la, oh, you are right, I should stop sending drones to suicide instead during late game. people play zerg apm 180 or above, my average 120 only

Wa...just start 120 ad...I so noob sial T_T.

I love playing mid/late game so it's not unnatural for me to go 5/6 bases (with at least 3 macro hatches) by 16 or 18 minutes. But what I do is I keep to 4 queens injecting non-stop on my main, natural, 3rd and my first macro hatch which I usually place near my main or natural. I make more macro hatches to bring my queens to heal my tier 3 units.

Tier 3 units (and upgrades) are very gas heavy and to get there, every player needs to get to 5 bases (10 geysers churning out approximately 1200 gas per in-game minute) as quickly but as safely as possible.

I don't mind going over 100 drones because I tend to use them for spines in front of my bases (or spores behind my bases), most especially if I have more than 2000 minerals banked.

You just have to know when to stop pumping drones, when to resume pumping drones and start pumping units, when to transition, when to expand, and so on.

So pro.......I shall go QQ in the corner lol

Liar! LOL

You tend to hit 200APM in your games, Marksman!

mine is 120, yours is 210

oh yea you are right, why did I sent those drones to suicide to have more supply instead should just build spine crawlers

you are zerg player? how do you defend against terran drops? i normally put at least 1 or 2 spine crawler at mineral blindly, even if they don't really go for early drops, since spine crawler is movable, i can move it somewhere else later

You done it wrong. Its 002 APM.

Bleh honestly i feel out of shape. No practice at all.

I need to get back that 330 APM from the BW hotkey trainer again.... lol

The only practice I get is against Vision Cheater AI, just to keep my fingers nimble. Fingers only. And I manage 160 to 200 APM (around 40 to 50 EAPM). Playing AI gets old though, because the AI doesn't adapt to what I'm doing.

But until I get Unifi, I don't think I'd get to play ladder to start learning stuff again.

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Overlords placed strategically around the bases to spot for incoming Medivacs, 3 or 4 spines, 2 or 3 spores, spare lings and the queen standing by the hatch. A few spores at the edges of your base would be nice. It's quite an investment, but the benefits outweigh the wasted cost and time rebuilding what tech buildings you have could have lost if the drop happened.

If drops cannot happen, u max out and go deathpush. Terran gg liao lol.

that is really alot of investment, if no drops happening, I wonder how

If the drops didn't happen, it could mean that the investment did its job--preventing the drops. With 3 mining bases, you've easily recovered that cost in less than a minute. 2 minutes if you count the cost of the drones you used to make those crawlers.

normally in the game as observer, in the income tab, example it shows like this

Income Harvester

Mineral Gas
300 100 20
1400 500 60

300 mineral and 100 gas means the amount collected per minute?

That's correct.

Note that "per minute" refers to 1 "in-game minute", which is a hair below 42.9 real-world seconds.

what? I don't get you, what do you mean 1 minute that is a hair below 42.9 real world seconds?

If you notice your in-game timer, it runs faster than a standard clock. By a factor of 1.4, to be precise.

Therefore, doing simple arithmetic, 1 in-game minute is actually 42.8571 real world seconds.

ah god, I was thinking the same thing, but then I was like it cant be true, but WHAT? seriously they make it that way? but why? so if it shows I am playing 20 minutes ,it actually means it is shorter?

I have no idea why really.

Normal game speed is 1 to 1, meaning, 1 in-game second is 1 real world second.

Fast game speed is 1 to 1.2 then Faster game speed is 1 to 1.4.

You could read this and it could probably make sense. I don't remember what that article actually says and I can't read it now coz I'm at work and TL is blocked by the firewall.

same, TL is blocked here at my work, but nvm la, later I go back and read, who play at normal speed anyway, it is so slow, they should have make it 1 to 1 at faster speed

That is not fast enough :V

imba ppl talk in imba thread read also can feel the imbaness~ btw my apm is 50-75

You faster than me....i only 2 APM.

wa u learn quite fast lo,

i still around 90 apm average 80 apm...

I dont see why you guys so obsessed with apm...

You aren't obsessed because you have over 9000.

Natural apm >.> i dont pump myself with apm i cant use ^^

Natural APM over 9000...zomg Godlike.

where got 9k ._. 200 oni

"only"

"only" I know right.

I want 140 also hard edi

im on 50

ZZZ apm doesnt matter lah.... 200 apm with shit mechanics isnt going to get anyone anywhere... should concentrate more on actually improving compared to spamming hotkeys for faster apm

my apm wasn't the result of spamming, I was actually doing real things all the time, if I have nothing to do, I'll just stop for that few seconds before continue mechanic, but just 140, I guess either my limit is there or I am not doing things fast enough in a correct way


anyway, I watched few videos from Apollo, Improve with Apollo, really nice insights there, he talks alot, i mean really ALOT about scouting, very useful tips, and there goes Day 9 youtube video channels too, but the strategy he talks about is very very deep, have to think for some time only understand what he says

Usually everyone says that they are doing real things all the time. The best way to confirm it though is record FPVOD and see for yourself. I know I am very efficient with APM because I confirmed it with the FPVOD.

It also confirms my issue with making workers lol and how to improve certain things such as hotkeys and so on. . To learn the techniques again need to see FPVOD.

No comment about the lessons ebcause they're good .

i thought EPM should be the standard for evaluating the efficiency? how do they calculate apm or epm?

it is like

APM
click worker = 1 action
move worker to that location = 1 action
click zergling = 1 action
morph into baneling = 1 action
select hive = 1 action
select larva = 1 action
morph into zergling = 1 action

total = 7 action

is it like that? and how to measure EPM?

APM is like that yes. What EPM does is actually filter out the repetitive commands that are executed within the list. Or they also filter out the commands such as selecting stuff. I don't know the full extent of their filter.

http://gaming.stackexchange.com/questions/...een-epm-and-apm

Yes, a more precise version of my explanations lol.

i think EPM should be more emphasized, APM isn't really accurate I guess, I could be jamming my keyboard like Jaedong, but if EPM is only 30, what's the use

my apm 50-75~ seriously cant handle any multi pronged attack by diamond korean terran on kr ladder~ just cant keep up n die

At high level, APM plays a better gauge since EPM usually does not consider things such as checking process for production and upgrade. Only by a slight bit though.

Again, you have both, choose what you like as reference lol.

EZ SON!!

SO OP!

on a side note, SEA player pool has to be very sad for the match making system to put diamond players against a GM

either that or my mmr is unusually high

so pro.

so pro indeed

i personally enjoy watching more korean games towards the western ones..they are so much more exciting..there's only a handful of western players that are on par with their level...and most western ppl trash talk too much..top in EU top in US...but when its vs Korea...they are barely top 20 sometimes.

just my pov from a spectator la