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 [WTA]Fiesta vs 208 vs Inspira vs Prius C, <RM90k car for Single late 20s male

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post Jul 17 2013, 12:12 AM

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QUOTE(dreamsquall @ Jul 17 2013, 12:09 AM)
Sorry.bro I cant read thai,  our msia lancer gt same spec with other country? I just wan to have same body.design with.our msia lancer gt, and u say metal bar different, so I wan to buy it, contacted few supplier even VANLI could not get the 50kg metal bar for me
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I think his torsion beam also cant reach 50kg...
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post Jul 17 2013, 12:17 AM

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Oh my god.. Mitsubishi australia also migrated their lancer to GL chassis.. Im using phone.. Mobile site..
Fuiyoh even the vrx @ 2.4 engine version have the same weight as inspira at 1360!
The 1335 is for manual gearbox maybe using wira chassis
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post Jul 17 2013, 12:23 AM

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QUOTE(jayraptor @ Jul 17 2013, 12:17 AM)
Autoworld still have the old writeup article dated back in 2012, the specs at that time still the same as the ori '07 2.0GT. Take this you bunch of parasites!!

http://www.autoworld.com.my/v2/newcar/car_...T.AM.VHC.NC.SDN

So do you believe now? The chassis of Lancer GT & GL are the same. The reason for slightly different chassis number is to allow people to identify that chassis belong to which variant under which engine and transmission for various identification purpose. MMC done that as many Lancer owners would change engines, some to EVO. Also, to prevent fraud should a normal Lancer converted to EVO sold to buyer at wrong price.

The current Lancer GT, engine got detuned to Lancer GL. The rear suspension either the same or got downgraded a bit. The weight reduction could also be caused by use of new material? Unknown at the moment. Fact is, the Lancer GT is still superior than Inspira in several aspects as mentioned earlier.
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eH I suggest u dig out the wira 1993 article la.. Should be quite interesting!

Ppl show u everything on the current website u still wanna dig old story out.. U insisted the chassis diff now u mention juz suspension.. And we been telling u many thing contributing to the weight and u juz dun wan listen.. Ok give u somemore tips.. Go mitsu malaysia look at the wheel. It has been change.. Its now light weight..

Dumb head u get it already o not? Is thr same chassis.. Lancer GT 2007 n 2013 samw chassis.. Suspension same.. They reduce weight else where..like we are trying to tell u .. Inspira same chassis with lancer GT. And GT same chassis with GLS. Vrx es.. De ... Understand or not

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post Jul 17 2013, 12:27 AM

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Day one.. I wanted to tell you (mr jayraptor) ur so call GL and GT chassis same.. U denied

I tell u many mitsu parts .. U denied
I tell u same engine diff tuning .. U denied

Now u says GL n GT same chassis
Now u says GT detuned
Now u says many mitsuparts.. But smell like china !

U good man .. U are our idol..

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post Jul 17 2013, 12:40 AM

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QUOTE(jayraptor @ Jul 17 2013, 12:36 AM)
Now that the truth prevailed, you bunch of parasites attempted to turn and divert attention elsewhere.

http://www.autoworld.com.my/v2/newcar/car_...T.AM.VHC.NC.SDN

Have to thank Gunner for keeping the old articles. Still refuse to bow? You can't even explain the 50kg difference yet dare to challenge. Can you post link to your credit card details? Some things are P&C that like you, the carmakers don't share. Only way to find out is to get a job there that can access the info. You can check with your assembly plant higher tech level guys and also MMC higher tech level guys for more details. Understand?

The chassis for GL, GT and Inspira dimension & angles are the same. You fit Lancer GT dash, interior, suspension, engine tuning into the GL chassis, it will weigh heavier than Inspira kerb weight. You take everything from Inspira and fit them to empty GT chassis, the kerb weight will only be 1335kg and no where close to 1385kg, not even 1360kg unless you add in sandbags or put you yourself in. People already check the GL vs GT comparison where you bunch are still marketing Wajunk.

Forgot to inform you, my favourite sedan in 2007 was the Lancer GL sold at affordable RM107k at that time imported CBU from Japan in limited batches.
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Why no we do a proof la.. Buy lancer GT 2013 .. Buy inspira 2.0P
We strip the car off ...everything...
Loser pay for both the car price 125k + 86k (inspira 2.0E)
Since u are so confident the chassis different

When I says everything I mean everyhing down to the bone.. See the chassis got diff or not

This post has been edited by K3nnYkl82: Jul 17 2013, 12:41 AM
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post Jul 17 2013, 12:42 AM

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QUOTE(jayraptor @ Jul 17 2013, 12:40 AM)
Lancer GL or GT, the difference lies in the grill, dashboard trim, suspension and engine tuning. Also GT has full bodykit. Elsewhere, they have Lancer GLS that is the GL with added bodykit but kerb weight remain at 1335kg as the addition doesn't weigh more than 1kg. In terms of handling, GL or GLS can't match Lancer GT as done by group of enthusiasts in Thailand. Woot woot.... Inspira is based on Lancer GL's tech, therfore, it can't match Lancer GT neither. Elsewhere, the Lancer GL comes with VSC therefore, Inspira can't beat GL neither.
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Please do check ur article where did u see lancer comes with Vsc (ASC if u dunno mitsu call it )
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post Jul 17 2013, 12:49 AM

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Please visit mitsubishi-motors.com.my
Get ur facts correct before u make up story please

Lancer GT does not comes with ASC (VSC)
Lancer sportnack only have ASC
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post Jul 17 2013, 12:58 AM

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QUOTE(jayraptor @ Jul 17 2013, 12:54 AM)
As expected, you bunch of parasites will be hunger for fault finding on anything minor you can find. VSC, ASC, VSA, their function to prevent understeer and oversteer with counter braking. As mentioned earlier, you can choose to add in weight personally.

People talking taking tech parts from Lancer GT and fit into Lancer GL, it could reach 1385kg. Inspira premium, what do they add in for the weight? Beras Wangi?
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Sawaadeekaaapp
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post Jul 17 2013, 01:01 AM

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QUOTE(WilliamHoo @ Jul 17 2013, 12:59 AM)
it's a metal bar

ti.u lei
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Kau jai mai
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post Jul 17 2013, 01:05 AM

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post Jul 17 2013, 01:11 AM

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QUOTE(SothysSaleShop @ Jul 17 2013, 01:07 AM)
oh yeah? stop talking nonsense please, who taught you that?? Please show me an official Lancer brochure or website promoting the premium smell as their main attraction factor....
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U will get wira 1993 broucher soon whistling.gif
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post Jul 17 2013, 08:21 AM

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QUOTE(Gouki @ Jul 17 2013, 01:44 AM)
even if we give you the benefit of the doubt. let say we agree lancer gt has 1385kg and its the ultimate truth. it is only difference by 50kg and that will be only 3.6%. so meaning the inspira has 96.4% of similarity to lancer right? what is the big hoohaa you trying to make here? nobody says inspira = lancer 100%. it is a CKD based lancer with a rebadge in malaysia. MMC had mentioned in press media that they only allow proton to tweak the suspension for handling they like, not changing the suspension layout or making some new design out of it. the tweaking they meant even for laymen is basically 3 simple things such as spring, absorber and anti roll bars. thats all. MMC allow proton to redesign the front and rear bumpers as well and other minor cosmetic items like the tiny rear spoiler n side skirts that didnt affect the actual design of the exterior body parts. but at least we know, the main thing like the full chassis, engine, gearbox and main wiring/electronic components are from mitsubishi. yes, in the process of CKD, some minor parts might be manufactured by local manufacturers according to spec.

in this CKD process, its the same thing going on for other local CKD Honda and Toyota, even your local CKD Naza-Kia cars have their parts locally manufactured too. why u never make a big hoohaa for those but Inspira? iszit because of the Proton badge? if yes, then you are no different than from those who make big foul cry in lancer forum when Proton launch the Inspira back then. like a bunch of kids crying for buying more expensive candy than other kids. if you are so great, go make your stand for Hyundai Carnival owners back then due to CKD Naza Ria. you know why Lancer still can dispose some of their Lancer? coz of ppl like u, the badge makes wonder, but its your money to burn for that extra 40k. pffttt! doh.gif
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Reminder..
we never says lancer GT = inspira
We from day 1 told jayraptor the difference lies on the absorber and spring and anti roll bar.. Is him making the hoohaa yet turn one big round and come back with a 50kg metal bar @ anti roll bar.
we told him weight diff doesnt means chassis diff..he keep turning and turning with the GL and GT diff chassis and now says Same.

its funny how he look around the globe for a near 1385kg as he claim.. He found thailand one 1375 so he used that instead. Aussie one 1360 VRX summore @ 2.4L enginr but he dun wan refer. Malaysia site 1360 GT he dun wan refer. Proton site inspira 1350, he dun wan refer..
but sawadeekaaapp

Claiming inspira owner whom giving him fact ast parasites while he is the hero!

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post Jul 17 2013, 09:10 AM

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QUOTE(edison1437 @ Jul 17 2013, 08:36 AM)
I not sure you learn about density for steel or not anyway.... Just hope that i not going wrong laugh.gif

V (Volume) = m (Mass) x p (Density)

Steel's density is about 7700kg/m^3

if you claim that the metal bar is 50 kg
then the calculation call be below

V = 50kg x 7700kg/m^3
V = 0.006 m^3

with the cube root of 0.006m^3 then you'll have 0.180m solid cube block do you have any idea how big is  a 0.180m cube?

this is based on a cube if you go to the shape some like "rod" like the antiroll bar the diameter even bigger and the length even longer

Lancer anti roll bar 20mm (diameter)

V = h (height) x pi (3.142) x r^2 (radius)

thus,

0.006m^3 = h x 3.142 x 0.01^2

h = 0.006m^3 / (3.142 x 0.01^2)

h = 20m

Does the anti looks like it has 20m in length?
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saaawaaadeeekaaappp

no need explain so technical.. He also dun understand... Parasites

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post Jul 17 2013, 09:16 AM

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Summarize for TS...

Jayraptor finally concluded..

Lancer GL = Lancer GT

Differences
Suspension (anti roll bar absorber spring)
Grill
Engine tuning (previously now same )
Dashboard trim


Suspension - rm3k u can get after market with much better handling
Grill - bodykit u can change 3k budget can do a lot
Engine tuning same dun bother
Dashboard trim repaint for 100-200

Top up 10k for modding la..
Car 86k + 10k
Lancer GT - 129k

Inspira he claim got china smell la..

You do the math
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post Jul 17 2013, 12:37 PM

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QUOTE(MeToo @ Jul 17 2013, 12:35 PM)
320i? The car that is super heavy, have no torque, yawn pickup? Yes.... i'm sure its cure for his sorhainess....

ps : My experience might not be a good one cause i was driving the coupe... what a yawn car
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U guys didnt go for the ultimate ride?

Forte 1.6 four speed...
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post Jul 19 2013, 12:05 AM

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QUOTE(jayraptor @ Jul 18 2013, 11:25 PM)
SothysSaleShop,
The ori Lancer GT strength lies in its suspension and engine tuning. Auto headlamp, autowiper, auto-cruise are categorized as gadgets.

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K3nnYkl82,
Still so kiasu and divert elsewhere rather than stick to topic. You asked for it, and the result is out. What else do you still want to argue? If you still wanted to go further, the only way is to join MMC & P1 technical team with full access to technical details. That is only if you have the Automotive cert + working experience. If you only sellman and don't have any vocational school background at least, I don't think they'll hire you.

Around the globe, some of the countries that have GT don't even have website in English and you could only get to them if you know their language. It's not in roman but in Arabic, in West Asia language, etc. Wonder who kept claiming the Inspira has exactly the same tech as Lancer GT but differs in craftmanship quality? Since you bunch of parasites knowledge only limited to website, rather than scan the catalog, I gave you someone else website where you can still retrieve ori Lancer GT specs.
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Im tired arguing with u.. From day one I said absorber spring and antiroll bar diff.. Now u accuse me says same tech..
And whatever u claim .. We ask u show u never answer..
Such as 50kg weight of anti roll bar
Such as ur claim of many local parts
Now even mitsu malaysia show GT 1360kg inspira 1350kg..u juz choose to ignore the question..
But u keep says u correct.. Keep says now the turth here d.. Whatelse yoy want?
Where are all ur claims? Where are the diff in terms of urlamcer GL and lancer GT chassis?

U are like.. Ppl asking u something u answer diff thing

Example:
K3 : have you have your dinner?
Jaycraptor : I already fart

K3 : how is forte engine performning?
Jaycraptor : oh well.. My family is fine thank you..

I here by declare you win...
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post Jul 19 2013, 12:20 AM

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QUOTE(jayraptor @ Jul 19 2013, 12:15 AM)
Thailand is selling the original Lancer GT. Only thing is the spec on their current website is wrong at 10kg less on the kerb weight. The catalog taken from MMC Thailand is correct.

MMC here, the Lancer GT probably being forced to detune to Lancer GL output/torque. The suspension, might still be there. Since more and more of my buddies quit automotive field, already not on track with MMC after 2011. Not sure whether MMC still using the same thing or new suspension replacing the old one. Lancer alone has more than 5 specs worldwide. Australia probably has the GLS specs, 1 rank above GL.
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Now you are more correct than mitsubishi malaysia rclxms.gif

Bro .. just to for your info .. we got frens bought used lancer japan projector headlight .. one side is 1kg heavier than the halogen one ..

You cant just base on the vehicle weight la please..

The steering rack itself .. for keyless (KOS) and non KOS is huge different in weight d..

Thailand GT comes with projector headlight
Malaysia NON ..
Aussie NON ..

And u till now insist malaysia website wrong..

and the 18" you see .. 10 SPOKE .. thailand website one .. is the old lancer GT wheels .. which weights 12kg ++ each ..
the one in malaysia 18" 8 spoke is the new rims which is lighter in weight .. its stated light weight rim ...

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post Jul 19 2013, 12:21 AM

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QUOTE(stewPik @ Jul 19 2013, 12:19 AM)
Hahaha...in the 1st place u already lose la....Padan muka u go argue with idiot.....Padan muka kaw kaw u........Mr.J I sapot u....my idol
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I really wordless lo ..

Day one i post .. already tell him that ... absober spring and antiroll bar ..

NOW he turn back the GUN and says .. NAH .. ALREADY SAYS DIFFERENT LO >> WHAT ELSE YOU WANT
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post Jul 19 2013, 12:36 AM

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QUOTE(jayraptor @ Jul 19 2013, 12:34 AM)
If you don't know anything about manufacturing cars, don't talk crap here. I suggest you to find out more with technical team before you reply. Despite so many specs Lancer, GT and higher only get more kerb weight difference. How come? You can't even answer that properly. Oh really, Lancer tyre so heavy? You ever put the 18" GT rim and 16" Inspira rim on the weight scale and how much the variance? Do you know what is alloy rim in the first place? Not cheap imitation rim you buy from tayar shop.
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I challenge you come out to weight the rim u also dun dare lo..
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post Jul 19 2013, 12:45 AM

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QUOTE(Gouki @ Jul 19 2013, 12:43 AM)
stop feeding the troll lar ppl. even the lancer is better than inspira. so what? the lancer itself is not a well built car to start with. mitsubishi is never known for its built quality nor comfort. lancer NVH is even worse than the FD2, interior plastic is crappy as u can get. the not so well built FD2 also has better interior plastic than the lancer. whats the point of keep arguing when lancer itself is not a luxury car to start with.  doh.gif
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Beh tahan him la boss ..

I told him the fact .. he twist back says i lie .. apa punya orang

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