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PC Audio Creative GigaWorks S750 7.1 speaker repair, A short guide and info with pictures...

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post Sep 20 2013, 12:50 PM

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QUOTE(Galeak @ Sep 20 2013, 01:11 AM)
Hi Lex !
I change  the diodes D6,D7 now it is ok. Thank you very much !!!
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Those are diacs actually. Never thought those on the main power section (for power amplifiers) could affect the standby functions. I guess the MCU also monitors the main power section as well. Will take note of that... wink.gif
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post Oct 7 2013, 01:14 PM

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QUOTE(Galeak @ Oct 5 2013, 08:27 PM)
ASUS sound cards is more better like Creative ?
ASUS Xonar D2X, 7.1  - is a good sound card ?
Usually those ASUS cards are rated better than Creative ones. The only Creative soundcard that is considered fine (can be recommended) is the Titanium HD. Others like those from ESI Audio (which now owns AudioTrak) and Echo Audio are also recommended as they are considered HiFi and studio quality. You can also use an external DAC, either using SPDIF (optical, coaxial) or USB connection. You can try inquiring here as well: Special Interest -> Home Entertainment -> Audiophiles -> Headphone Amplifier and DAC Recommendation, portables, desktops, amps, dac, lai (Headphones)... wink.gif

QUOTE(Galeak @ Oct 5 2013, 08:27 PM)
It is safe to use hot silicon on the capacitors?
Thanks.
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Can be used for ceramics, but not recommended for the "lytics" (short for electrolytic capacitors). You do not want to boil the electrolytes inside those capacitors. tongue.gif

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post Oct 17 2013, 02:38 PM

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QUOTE(rlewin @ Oct 15 2013, 05:33 AM)
Got one set of 750's going thanks to your very detailed walkthrough but have come up against a problem with another. No Power and no obvious problems on the board.  When I turn it on, I get nothing, no light blink or anything that might suggest power to the box.  I tried the lead, the fuse, and still nothing.  I know next to nothing about what is what or how to test things, I only know if something doesn't look right replace it.  Any clues what I should be doing here to diagnose it?
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The usual troubleshooting procedures, for example check for failed components and check whether there is output voltage on the secondary standby side (if none then check voltage at transformer, then if none then check voltage at primary standby side, etc... etc...) hmm.gif

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post Dec 4 2013, 01:38 PM

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QUOTE(Kahlid74 @ Dec 4 2013, 11:27 AM)
Very cool finding this thread.

Lex, you give a spec list of the capacitors to get however I didn't see a brand you recommend.  Could you steer me in the direction of a brand that you think is a good quality?
For capacitors, look for brands like Nichicon, Panasonic (also known as Matsushita), Rubycon, Nippon Chemi-Con (also known as United Chemi-Con, formerly Marcon), and Sanyo (nowadays known as Suncon). icon_idea.gif

QUOTE(Kahlid74 @ Dec 4 2013, 11:27 AM)
Also, what type of Ceramic resistors should I get for the orange ones and the diode?
So far had not had to replace any resistors, except for that 0 Ohm link. As for resistors, depends on the original resistor being replaced and should follow the wattage of the original resistor (in other words, the size of the resistor determines the wattage). The diode is pretty much run-of-the-mill 1N4004, which is a very common diode. wink.gif

QUOTE(Kahlid74 @ Dec 4 2013, 11:27 AM)
What about the Mosfets?  They look kind of funky on the bottom, are they fine and just need a cleanup job or do I need to replace them as well?

Thanks for your time!
That one very much depends on whether you're going to replace them, and/or depends on the fault/problem itself. The "funky" look is mostly leftover excess flux and not degraded glue. If any of those MOSFETs had blown/failed then you will need to replace them. hmm.gif

QUOTE(Kahlid74 @ Dec 4 2013, 11:27 AM)
UPDATE: and I'm a dolt as I see you listed what type of capacitors you got.  Where did you buy them from?  I want to make sure if I buy them I get the right ones.
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Try online stores such as RS Components, Farnell/Newark/element14, Mouser and Digikey. They are guranteed to sell original capacitors (and not those Pasar Road counterfeits). icon_rolleyes.gif

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post Dec 5 2013, 08:02 PM

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QUOTE(Kahlid74 @ Dec 4 2013, 07:43 PM)
Awesome LEX, thanks so much!

What about this guy, would I need to replace it?
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Just change all those 85C capacitors to ones rated for higher temperatures, such as 105C ones (as shown in my guide here). Preferable to use those with high ripple current handling and/or low ESR type, as this speaker uses switching mode power supply... icon_rolleyes.gif

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post Dec 5 2013, 10:56 PM

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QUOTE(Kahlid74 @ Dec 5 2013, 08:33 PM)
What about the guy at C52, the ceramic resistor that is chipped away on top?
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That's not a "ceramic resistor", but a ceramic disc capacitor. Just replace with another one, of the same capacitance. Usually should be 100nF or 0.1uF, 50V or higher. wink.gif

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post Dec 5 2013, 11:39 PM

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QUOTE(Kahlid74 @ Dec 5 2013, 11:14 PM)
Per your first post I have tracked down all of the capacitors except 2x 47uF 25V, what brand did you use for this?  Here is my shopping list:  Does it look right?

• - 4x 470uF 200V 105C, high ripple handling type (for inverter and/or ballast operation)
  ○ This one had two sizes.  I chose the fatter/shorter ones.  Correct choice?
  ○ http://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Panaso...%2fxKQ%252bI%3d
This one is incorrect as its rather wider than the original. The diameter should be 22mm otherwise the capacitors will not fit together. Should be this 22mm diameter version (if using Mouser): Mouser > Passive Components > Capacitors > Aluminum Electrolytic Capacitors > Aluminum Electrolytic Capacitors - Snap In > Panasonic EET-ED2D471BA... wink.gif

QUOTE(Kahlid74 @ Dec 5 2013, 11:14 PM)
• - 5x 220uF 35V 105C, low impedance and/or low ESR type (for SMPS operation)
  ○ I choose cut tape for these, is that right?
  ○ http://www.digikey.com/product-search/en?mpart=UHE1V221MPD&vendor=493
Incorrect one again, as the lead pitch is 3.5mm. Should get the version with 5mm lead pitch. Digikey > Capacitors > Aluminum Capacitors > UHE1V221MPD6... icon_idea.gif

QUOTE(Kahlid74 @ Dec 5 2013, 11:14 PM)
• - 2x 47uF 25V 105C, low impedance and/or low ESR type (for SMPS operation)
  ○ ??
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Look for Nichicon HE series, like this one: Digikey > Capacitors > Aluminum Capacitors > UHE1E470MDD. icon_rolleyes.gif

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post Dec 6 2013, 03:28 PM

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QUOTE(Kahlid74 @ Dec 5 2013, 11:59 PM)
Awesome, thanks man!  I'll look to place orders today.  For the ceramic disc capacitor would this guy work? - http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/6...EDSA-ND/1545918
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If you are talking about the cracked ceramic disc capcitor replacement then it would work. Like I've mentioned earlier just any 100nF or 0.1uF ceramic capacitor of 50V or higher rating can be used (even those cheaper but awful Y5V ceramics), since this capacitor is non-critical (functions as low impedance side for those original general purpose 85C capacitors). However, for the capacitor that is very close to the heatsink (which is actually part of the switched mode power supply feedback section) then stick to the capacitor I've specified (for stability reasons use either X8R, X7R or NP0/C0G ceramics). icon_rolleyes.gif

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QUOTE(BuFung @ Dec 6 2013, 05:40 PM)
Lex,  u accept repair faulty speaker? Power Studio monitor speaker.
let me know detail.. thanks.
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Yups, I do repair many types of speaker systems. What was the actual brand and model (as can't find any references to the brand "Power Studio")? Also what was the problem with them? Anyway, just PM me for more details... hmm.gif

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post Dec 6 2013, 10:24 PM

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QUOTE(BuFung @ Dec 6 2013, 09:21 PM)
Sorry .. I mean is a powered studio monitor..  brand is Tannoy ... model is eclipse 8..
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After looking up this model, looks to be quite a complex speaker system (even has custom software to remote control it). Possibly has integrated MCU and DSP for its crossover and external output connections. By the way, what was wrong with it? Can describe the symptoms? hmm.gif

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QUOTE(BuFung @ Dec 6 2013, 10:59 PM)
Dont worry. My is older gen without Dsp. 1 time plug in power .. On.. white smoke come out...  then cannot ON no more..
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Sounds much like the power supply section blew, possibly some weak, failed and/or faulty components. Usually should be fixable/repairable... hmm.gif

QUOTE(Kahlid74 @ Dec 6 2013, 11:02 PM)
So I could just buy a couple of the ceramic capacitor your specified and use that for both right?
Yups, can use the same capacitor (that more expensive X8R high temperature ceramic) for both. nod.gif

QUOTE(Kahlid74 @ Dec 6 2013, 11:02 PM)
Also, Digikey is out of two of the capacitors:

So for the 5x 100uF 35V 105C, low impedence and/or low ESR type (for SMPS)
This:
http://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Nichic...K4y6Z7OvlMKU%3d
or this:
http://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Nichic...BwN1o%2f8xKs%3d
Either ones should be fine, just different packaging from the details on the website. Another option would be Nichicon PW series (slightly higher specifications than Nichicon PS series). wink.gif

QUOTE(Kahlid74 @ Dec 6 2013, 11:02 PM)
For the 1x 68uF 450V 105C, high ripple handling type (inverter/balast)
Would these work?
http://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Nichic...ko7RlAfp%2fg%3d
or
http://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Nichic...CPZDTM13hVQI%3d
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Their specifications are much lower than the Nichicon CS series. Here are some similar capacitors (with way better specifications than the ones you've chosen): Mouser > Passive Components > Capacitors > Aluminum Electrolytic Capacitors > Aluminum Electrolytic Capacitors - Leaded > Panasonic EEU-ED2W680 (used in the 2nd repair) and Mouser > Passive Components > Capacitors > Aluminum Electrolytic Capacitors > Aluminum Electrolytic Capacitors - Leaded > Panasonic EEU-EE2W680 (used in the 3rd repair which was not shown here). Both of them are also high ripple current handling plus long life... icon_rolleyes.gif

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QUOTE(Kahlid74 @ Dec 13 2013, 03:11 AM)
So all the parts have now come in and I've begun cleaning glue areas.  Two specific areas proved very difficult and unfortunately, the green came up with them.  The glue was so hard/crusted that it took the green with it when it came off.  Is the board still workable?
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That's typical as the chemical from the degraded glue has "eaten" into the solder resist layer (that green thingy). Usually its still workable, as long as you did not break any fine traces. Make sure those traces are still connected to each other, and check for possible shorts with surrounding copper areas (e.g. bits of copper layers pulled up and mangled). There are large areas of copper that is mostly either (hot) GND or +350VDC (or +154VDC for U.S version). Removing degraded glue from that resistor (encased in heat shrink tubing) should have been a piece of cake (and I did not have to remove that resistor) but not sure how you've gotten that "ugly" (lots of scrape marks can be seen). What tool did you use? hmm.gif

QUOTE(stargamer @ Dec 13 2013, 04:56 AM)
can u repair razer mako 2.1 speaker? its having clicking sound

http://www.fixya.com/support/t8840595-raze...ko_2_0_speakers
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Yups, I can repair that Razer Mako speaker system. Have already fixed/repaired 3 units so far, and all have the same ticking sound syndrome (plus other problems). icon_rolleyes.gif
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QUOTE(Kahlid74 @ Dec 13 2013, 06:48 AM)
I just used a small flat head screw driver and an Exacto knife.  The exacto knife is probably what did it.  I tried to be super careful but that glue, when it gets super hard like that, it won't budge.
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Must have patience, padawan. As mentioned some time ago (here: Post #11), degraded glue removal can be very tedious and have to proceed slowly (and carefully/meticulously) to avoid damaging/breaking PCB traces. When using a sharp knife, try avoid directly touching the PCB (otherwise there will be deep scrape and scratch marks, and possibly damaging/breaking fine PCB traces)... hmm.gif

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QUOTE(chrislue @ Jan 13 2014, 05:15 PM)
hi, lex, what do you use to remove those degraded glue, they are very hard, thanks!
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Usually I would use a flat head screwdriver, and very rarely I would use anything sharp like a knife and/or blade. Often have to proceed slowly and carefully (bit by bit on difficult patches) thus must have patience also as you do not want to damage any fine PCB traces. icon_rolleyes.gif

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QUOTE(chrislue @ Jan 17 2014, 02:40 PM)
Thanks, that's what I think, really time consuming and need patience.

I have another question, are general purpose capacitors OK for the 2 capacitors of 100v 330uf? Since I can't find neither Rubycon ZLJ nor ZLH here. I have Rubycon YXA and NIPPON KMF series.
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This subwoofer power supply is switched mode type, thus the filter capacitors (at the secondary output section) should have been those low ESR or low impedance type, such as those I've chosen like Rubycon ZLJ and Rubycon ZLH series. That Rubycon YXA series is a standard (general purpose) capacitors with low ripple current handling. However Nippon Chemicon KMF series would be much better as its targeted as low impedance product, and had better/higher ripple current handling than Rubycon YXA series. Anyway, Rubycon YXA should have been already EOL'ed. Are those counterfeit capacitors? Diameter and lead pitch/spacing also goes into the capacitor selection. Does those capacitors have the correct diameter (12.5mm or less) and lead pitch/spacing (5mm)? hmm.gif

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QUOTE(chrislue @ Jan 17 2014, 07:34 PM)
Nippon KMF are actually 16mm, guess would not fit perfectly. They should be authentic, but I'm not 100% sure. hmm.gif

Looks like I will buy from Digikey anyway.

Thanks for the info!
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With Digikey, besides Rubycon ZLH and Rubycon ZLJ, there are choices there (with 12.5mm diameter and 5mm lead pitch/spacing) such as Nichicon HE, Nippon Chemi-con KZE, Rubycon ZL and Rubycon YXG. icon_rolleyes.gif
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QUOTE(kukruse @ Jan 23 2014, 04:09 PM)
First af all, I am very thankful to you for this thread.
I have also a problem with my S750 set.
One day my S750 did not give the power at all. The main fuse was blown out. But I found also that on both amp.boards C40 were burned out totally - see picture.
Other components seems OK.
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Have to check the 4th unit first (was sent all the way from another country) for that C40 capacitor value. If that fuse blew then there must have been quite a short somewhere. Also those burned capacitors may indicate excessive ripples and voltage surges on the power rails... hmm.gif

QUOTE(kukruse @ Jan 23 2014, 04:09 PM)
So because it was not clear why it happened, I decided to replace all components what were available at the Digi-Key.
Thus most of passive components were replaced - my BOM file is uploaded too. I did not test transistors/power ICs, but visually they were good.
At the final phase when I must to test my S750 I found that I lost my marks about how to connect amp. boards to the IO-board (the board with inputs/outputs) and to the power board.
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Maybe somebody here can give me information about that.
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Better check the MOSFETs, due to that blown fuse. Sometimes failed MOSFETs show no signs but can be shorted internally (usually between the gate and the source, and/or between drain and source). Also check all fusible links (those zero Ohm thingies). As for that list, all looks good though that Nichicon CY is a little skinnier/smaller than the Nichicon CS I've chosen. Just make sure all have correct diameter, lead spacing and proper height (not too tall until touching the toasty heatsink, which will shorten the lifespan of the capacitors). icon_rolleyes.gif

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QUOTE(chrislue @ Feb 2 2014, 09:48 PM)
I had someone tried to repair s750 which has small distorted sound  for me but not succeed,, I can see one resis blown (R30, R39? can't remember). The guy said once he replaced the blown one, it's good, but after he turned volume up it blown again. What could be the problem? And when I got the power board back, it's missing some components, I guess the guy didn't put them back. Could you tell me the info about R30, R39, R31, D24, R23, R42? Digikey links would be perfect, appreciated.
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For those components on the power board, then check Post #37...
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QUOTE(kukruse @ Feb 3 2014, 09:26 PM)
lex, thanks for your reply.
I have checked 4x big MOSFET on power board and it seems that they are OK - at least there is resistance between all the pins.
All components what are in the list are already placed on the boards.
Right now I don't know how to connect boards to each other.
Could you give me some advice about that?
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There could be components with voltage break down (which usually would require an insulation/breakdown tester), especially those non-electrolytic capacitors and MOSFETs (leaky transistor). Can use the series light bulb method to check for shorts and/or breakdown (if insulation tester not available at the moment). As for the amplifier boards, there should be another regulator there (usually a Buck switching type) for the BASH power amplifier I.Cs thus do check them (for shorts and other failed components)... hmm.gif

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QUOTE(chrislue @ Feb 14 2014, 07:16 PM)
I see in your second repair, the solder pads were damaged, how did you solve this? I got this problem too, they came off very easily. I am trying to repair my another s750 which has a problem have to switch on twice with controller. BTW, do you have any idea what cause this problem?
Try replacing the DIACs near the main power section (where the bigger SMPS transformer is located)... hmm.gif

QUOTE(chrislue @ Feb 14 2014, 07:16 PM)
I just changed 4 big 470uf cap, one of the solder pad is damaged. Now when I switch on the speaker with controller, there is a "don" sound, it's not very lound but not small either, didn't have that before, so I turned it off right way in case cost more damage.

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I just found information from previous posts, so basically these components like caps are connected on top layer, not the back layer where leads are, right? So I need to connect the leads to the top layer to fix the damaged solder pads problem.

And can I just mount them on the back, so the leads are soldered on the top layer, maybe not the big caps but other small components?
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As for fixing that solder pad through hole problem, check my previous/earlier reply here: Special Interest -> Home Entertainment -> Audiophiles ->Creative GigaWorks S750 7.1 speaker repair, A short guide and info with pictures... (PC Audio) -> Post #21. Looking at the comments, you also need to learn some basic of electronic repairs particularly understanding the circuitary (in other words able to read where and how the components are connected, as well as tracing out the paths). One side/lead/leg of the capacitor is connected to the top side layer via that through hole. For double sided boards, usually each through hole has a connection to both top and bottom sides of the circuit board (there's a tinned copper tube inside the hole). wink.gif

QUOTE(watermineral @ Feb 14 2014, 08:44 PM)
i am envy you guys know how to fix this electronic stuff, my speaker broken i don know what to do with it, constant noise aww
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What is the speaker brand and model? unsure.gif

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QUOTE(chrislue @ Feb 15 2014, 03:09 AM)
Each lead of component like a capacitor is actually connected into circuitry on only one side of the board, am I understanding correct?
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Not every capacitor lead/leg is connected like that. Cannot simply assume, always check the connections of component first (as you do not want create unwanted shorts and wrong connections). Again, re-quote from my earlier post here: Special Interest -> Home Entertainment -> Audiophiles ->Creative GigaWorks S750 7.1 speaker repair, A short guide and info with pictures... (PC Audio) -> Post #90... doh.gif
QUOTE(lex @ Feb 15 2014, 02:30 AM)
Looking at the comments, you also need to learn some basic of electronic repairs particularly understanding the circuitary (in other words able to read where and how the components are connected, as well as tracing out the paths).
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That's right, read, trace and understand the connections.... wink.gif

QUOTE(chrislue @ Feb 15 2014, 03:09 AM)
Anyway, every time when I switch on the speakers with controller, there is a pop sound, didn't have that before, is this due to capacitors failure to connect? I only changed the 4 big 470uf capacitors.
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Have you removed all the degraded glue in the first place? Did you properly check the connections properly repaired on those damages through holes (requires a multimeter)? Also try replacing all the capacitors, not just those 4 big ones only.... hmm.gif

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