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 Finally I have SACKED Johnnie23 Be My Contractor, Strongly Not Recommanded ! At Own Risk!

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post Aug 27 2013, 11:40 AM

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QUOTE(annmix @ Aug 21 2013, 11:39 AM)
very very upset with this guy now, promised today install laminate flooring but till now still giving me excuse that coming in the evening !... been giving same excuse more than 5 times, house actually conpleted  painting before raya and flooring should be done before raya..and i have paid him full flooring payment in mid JUly  but till now still giving me so many excuse , say no stock from innovar , need to submit P.O bla bla , also aircorn money taken in Mid July , but until now still not yet installed !  before this give crap excuse panasonic product problem on hold , he really think im 3 year old child or wat ?  and always tell me , " this afternoon come and install "but always never appear

he really think Im stupid or wat ? Yea Mayb im stupid by paying him the full payment coz my intention is to let him cordinate so can finish my hose soon..

im so  angry and pissed off now , i supposed to move back by mid of this month as promised ( initial date was July26) , now is approaching end of August i really dont know what to do already !! I canot afford to pay another month of high rent (RM500) to my neigbour  by renting a room again, also because of the dates always change, all my furniture and electrical appliances canot be sent to me andthe shops are calling  me everyday asking when can deliver those thing...
I really dont want to write bad and spoied people rice bowl, but since i engaged him throught his forum , so i think now its my responsiblity so do a clear feedback here. This guy only can write good or talk big , but in real.. he is still same like  those irresonsible contractor ! Im totally lose faith with Malay contractor now.. no more !

so what can i do now, ask him refund my money for the flooring and aircorn and engaged another company to do myself ?

can i lodge a police report on him if he refuse to refund my money ?

Im so stress now
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https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopic=1287668&hl=

hi

you can consider to summarize your experience, give a rating on my thread above
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post Aug 27 2013, 06:06 PM

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QUOTE(~Curious~ @ Aug 27 2013, 11:35 AM)
ooh i actually thought of installing laminated flooring,but that time contractor already prepped the floor for tiling,so maybe in a few years time hehe..
you said gave you the least problems,does that mean you installed both brands in your hse?
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Not my house, my client house. I have been tried every brand that I can find the market because some customer have rather " budgeted " in some case. So at the end, I used only two brand for all my client which create the least problem for me (time is essential for us, if there is 2nd trip to fixed - we end up loss money). If their looking for cheapest, I usually don't give warranty.

So if you the competitor flooring brand saying I am a bit of hypocrite that only sell 2 brand. Well if you didn't buy from china, I might test your quality.

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post Aug 28 2013, 12:04 AM

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QUOTE(SammoG @ Aug 27 2013, 06:06 PM)
Not my house, my client house. I have been tried every brand that I can find the market because some customer have rather " budgeted " in some case. So at the end, I used only two brand for all my client which create the least problem for me (time is essential for us, if there is 2nd trip to fixed - we end up loss money). If their looking for cheapest, I usually don't give warranty.

So if you the competitor flooring brand saying I am a bit of hypocrite that only sell 2 brand. Well if you didn't buy from china, I might test your quality.
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oh icic.nope im not a competitor..hehe...if get innovar/robina from you,might as well we go straight to the outlet rite?
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post Aug 28 2013, 11:50 AM

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QUOTE(~Curious~ @ Aug 28 2013, 12:04 AM)
oh icic.nope im not a competitor..hehe...if get innovar/robina from you,might as well we go straight to the outlet rite?
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You buy from whom also the same price because they have controlled the price and the warranty for all their product. But if your area is more than a certain amount, well ... that another story. smile.gif
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post Aug 28 2013, 12:02 PM

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QUOTE(~Curious~ @ Aug 28 2013, 01:04 AM)
oh icic.nope im not a competitor..hehe...if get innovar/robina from you,might as well we go straight to the outlet rite?
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Hi Bro Cuirious,

Cost persf is 5-10% difference between outlet and installer. Anyhow outlet still appoint installer to perform the jobs. Warranty by installer is only on workmanship defect for a year. Products warranty still remains the same from manufacturer of laminated board meaning owner still can claim direct to outlet for those warranty relating to anti termite or colour fading



QUOTE(SammoG @ Aug 27 2013, 06:06 PM)
Not my house, my client house. I have been tried every brand that I can find the market because some customer have rather " budgeted " in some case. So at the end, I used only two brand for all my client which create the least problem for me (time is essential for us, if there is 2nd trip to fixed - we end up loss money). If their looking for cheapest, I usually don't give warranty.

So if you the competitor flooring brand saying I am a bit of hypocrite that only sell 2 brand. Well if you didn't buy from china, I might test your quality.
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Hi Bro SammoG, are you one on the appointed installer? I have an equiry for 1000 sqft
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post Aug 28 2013, 03:05 PM

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QUOTE(Avatar II @ Aug 28 2013, 12:02 PM)
Hi Bro Cuirious,

Cost persf is 5-10% difference between outlet and installer. Anyhow outlet still appoint installer to perform the jobs. Warranty by installer is only on workmanship defect for a year. Products warranty still remains the same from manufacturer of laminated board meaning owner still can claim direct to outlet for those warranty relating to anti termite or colour fading
QUOTE(SammoG @ Aug 27 2013, 06:06 PM)
Not my house, my client house. I have been tried every brand that I can find the market because some customer have rather " budgeted " in some case. So at the end, I used only two brand for all my client which create the least problem for me (time is essential for us, if there is 2nd trip to fixed - we end up loss money). If their looking for cheapest, I usually don't give warranty.

So if you the competitor flooring brand saying I am a bit of hypocrite that only sell 2 brand. Well if you didn't buy from china, I might test your quality.
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Hi Bro SammoG, are you one on the appointed installer? I have an equiry for 1000 sqft
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how to claim warranty ah..my one is arrange by my contractor , so need any resit ? anyway i like the innovar floor , but due to some floor hacking done ont he floor and bad workmanship, some parts when step on it can feel like "floting" sad.gif


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post Aug 28 2013, 04:27 PM

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QUOTE(annmix @ Aug 28 2013, 04:05 PM)
how to claim warranty ah..my one is arrange by my contractor , so need any resit ? anyway i like the innovar floor , but due to some floor hacking done ont he floor and bad workmanship, some parts when step on it can feel like "floting" sad.gif
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Hi Bro,

If it is workmanship, you better immidiately ask your contractor to address it..that also not sure if he is appointed installer or he may have called in the appointed installer..also you better ask him for the official receipt from Innovar when he or the installer purchased the materials..

That was what I was told by the installer that they only provide warranty on workmanship for 1 year under their company.The product warranty is still under Innovar. Later, I will provide you a salesman rep no from their PJ Showroom, nice guy. Checking with your contractor will help you to know if the materials used are under warranty. I am at the moment are just doing price survey and budgetting


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post Aug 28 2013, 10:58 PM

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he told me today the flooring will floating before still not "join" properly, but its obviously like steeping to a hole abit , anyway the product is confirmed innovar flooring because i check all the label on the pakage..
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post Aug 28 2013, 11:16 PM

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QUOTE(annmix @ Aug 28 2013, 10:58 PM)
he told me today the flooring will floating before still not "join" properly, but its obviously like steeping to a hole abit , anyway the product is confirmed innovar flooring  because i check all the label on the pakage..
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The "step on hole'' feeling is common for laminate flooring so if it only affects a small section then let it be.

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post Aug 29 2013, 12:07 AM

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QUOTE(Avatar II @ Aug 28 2013, 12:02 PM)
Hi Bro Cuirious,

Cost persf is 5-10% difference between outlet and installer. Anyhow outlet still appoint installer to perform the jobs. Warranty by installer is only on workmanship defect for a year. Products warranty still remains the same from manufacturer of laminated board meaning owner still can claim direct to outlet for those warranty relating to anti termite or colour fading

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so it means if i get direct from X,they charge for the product then separately for installation.whereas if i go to an installer,he charges me product+installation.did i get it right?
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QUOTE(annmix @ Aug 28 2013, 10:58 PM)
he told me today the flooring will floating before still not "join" properly, but its obviously like steeping to a hole abit , anyway the product is confirmed innovar flooring  because i check all the label on the pakage..
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why not joinned properly?so you ask him when can join properly?but i think its coz installation was not done properly
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post Aug 29 2013, 07:45 AM

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QUOTE(~Curious~ @ Aug 29 2013, 01:07 AM)
so it means if i get direct from X,they charge for the product then separately for installation.whereas if i go to an installer,he charges me product+installation.did i get it right?
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It literally means if you go direct to installer, you will save the extra mark-up margin by outlet..still get the same product, just that workmanship warranty by installer instead of them..that margin is like handling and administration fee lorr

I dont mind buying direct from installer so as long as the product warranty is still with manufaturer..same thing like buying electrical household also what..regardless who is the distributor..end warranty still go to manufacturer..

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QUOTE(Chigme @ Aug 29 2013, 12:16 AM)
The "step on hole'' feeling is common for laminate flooring so if it only affects  a small section then let it be.
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I was told of these floating feelings when it comes to 8mm board and also when large area..how large area is no define..the 12mm board is stronger and will overcome this

My guess the PU layer is still new thus still have its sponginess effect, probably after a shortwhile it will be compressed by the boards weight and will eliminate/reduce the floating feel
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QUOTE(Avatar II @ Aug 29 2013, 07:45 AM)
It literally means if you go direct to installer, you will save the extra mark-up margin by outlet..still get the same product, just that workmanship warranty by installer instead of them..that margin is like handling and administration fee lorr

I dont mind buying direct from installer so as long as the product warranty is still with manufaturer..same thing like buying electrical household also what..regardless who is the distributor..end warranty still go to manufacturer..
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owh ic...if got product warranty from manufacturer,ii don't mind who installs too hehe
thanks Avatar II
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QUOTE(~Curious~ @ Aug 29 2013, 12:35 PM)
owh ic...if got product warranty from manufacturer,ii don't mind who installs too hehe
thanks Avatar II
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Yupp, agreed..but have to take precaution on who the installer is as well..i am going to get a few contacts from the salesman himself of those preffered installer..at the moment, communicating with one contact from website since he is doing innovar,robina and kcc(vinyl)
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QUOTE(~Curious~ @ Aug 29 2013, 12:10 AM)
why not joinned properly?so you ask him when can join properly?but i think its coz installation was not done properly
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there is 1 part is like steeping into a 'hole' ....

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QUOTE(Avatar II @ Aug 29 2013, 11:56 AM)
Yupp, agreed..but have to take precaution on who the installer is as well..i am going to get a few contacts from the salesman himself of those preffered installer..at the moment, communicating with one contact from website since he is doing innovar,robina and kcc(vinyl)
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i think there is a guy in this forum who does installation..from his comments,it looks like he's quite experienced.maybe u can ;look him up in the laminated/timber flooring thread
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since last thursday installed the flooring after final warning.. until today there is no work done. told me today will come and do the touch up but waited till 11am no one appear. also said aircorn confirmed coming 2pm. but just now text me again give excuse yesterday raining supplier has 2 house not installed yet so will come later... later ? i guess mean not coming la...also the installer not installed other places tats not my problem ! this is the 4th time aircorn reschedule since 5 weeks go ! and kitchen cabinet still need to arrange with installer ... i also dont know if my cabinet actually got ordered or not

i really need to move back by this weekend.. now i also not sure whether i want to open all my furniture wrapping or not. if i open them later they do the touch up will dirty them. and if i move all stuff back then it will be difficult to do the touch up too..

really pay money to get stressed !

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QUOTE(annmix @ Aug 29 2013, 12:40 PM)
there is 1 part is like steeping into a 'hole' ....
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since got 1 year warranty on the workmanship,u use for a few months then if problem persists u revert to johnny123 (the contractor).for in case he delays response to u,maybe u shud revert back to him after one/two months.might be because the cement floor beneath it not even
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QUOTE(~Curious~ @ Aug 29 2013, 01:50 PM)
i think there is a guy in this forum who does installation..from his comments,it looks like he's quite experienced.maybe u can ;look him up in the laminated/timber flooring thread
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Hi bro, noted..will look back the previous posting..would be important to look for current VALID APPOINTED INSTALLERS..dont want to end up warranty not traceable..or warranty card not available..will check that guy with Innovar if in their listing as one bro did mention in earlier postings

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