dude are you a 15 y/o keyboard warrior? do you have a driving license? have you driven any of those cars before?

your statements are based on the figures on sheet. but real life would present an entirely new perspective. if you don't know, there's a thing called gear ratios. these determine how much power the engine transmit to the wheels.

please wait a few years then go test drive both cars ya.

I am planning to sell my VIVA to get a more fitting car for my small family (4 adults).

After much research on the forum and some sites,
My budget would allow me to look at a few options, and i have narrowed down to the following

1. KIA Forte 1.6 SX - ~85k (non local brand, low interest (1.68% or 1.88%), good amount of equipment)
2. PROTON Inspira 2.0 Premium - ~92k (good discount around 7k, good amount of equipment)
3. PROTON Inspira 1.8 Manual - ~78k (good discount around 7k, way cheaper than above after discount)

Hope the sifus here are able to give more insight on which to get and why?

You didn't read properly, mentioned clearly in comment that already performed torque test on all these cars in real driving. Seems more like you can't accept facts instead. The Forte 2.0 is 1 of best C-segment for price range below RM130k but NAZA placed no effort in marketing for not having even 1 test unit end up not many knows its true capability.

Lancer is best car when it came out in '07 and until today, its handling is still good enough to beat many C-segments. Inspira at the other hand, is not a direct clone but just mere using the chassis with much P1 parts. Only the engine & gearbox are ori from Lancer GL.
edison1437,
Besides aerodynamic, height of the car could determine acceleration. If you have a C-segment car height 1395mm with aerodynamic body having only 136horsepower 4AT gearbox could propel to 100km/h in just 10s.

Haven't you go find out that local raceclub where you can find them pitting against each other at Sepang? Rather than you just blindly doubt here and there, I already provided you hints where to start looking and see for yourself.

can explain what is lancer gl?

Lancer GL is a lower spec variant of Lancer GT/EX with more normal car suspension (softer, smaller & lighter) meant for comfort rather than handling. It is sold in other countries. You can refer Singapore Lancer 1.5GL and I think they have it in Thailand. The engine top is slightly different from our Lancer GT with less. Do not mix up with the earlier Lancer GL that was phased out as it was known as GLS elsewhere.

Lancer 2.0GT:
output 155ps@6000rpm
torque 199Nm@4250rpm

Inspira 2.0:
150ps@6000rpm
197Nm@4250rpm

Spot the difference?

Lancer GL is a lower spec variant of Lancer GT/EX with more normal car suspension (softer, smaller & lighter) meant for comfort rather than handling. It is sold in other countries. You can refer Singapore Lancer 1.5GL and I think they have it in Thailand. The engine top is slightly different from our Lancer GT with less. Do not mix up with the earlier Lancer GL that was phased out as it was known as GLS elsewhere.

Lancer 2.0GT:
output 155ps@6000rpm
torque 199Nm@4250rpm

Inspira 2.0:
150ps@6000rpm
197Nm@4250rpm

Spot the difference?

Lancer GL is a lower spec variant of Lancer GT/EX with more normal car suspension (softer, smaller & lighter) meant for comfort rather than handling. It is sold in other countries. You can refer Singapore Lancer 1.5GL and I think they have it in Thailand. The engine top is slightly different from our Lancer GT with less. Do not mix up with the earlier Lancer GL that was phased out as it was known as GLS elsewhere.

Lancer 2.0GT:
output 155ps@6000rpm
torque 199Nm@4250rpm

Inspira 2.0:
150ps@6000rpm
197Nm@4250rpm

Spot the difference?

please go to mitsubishi malaysia site and tell me isit 155 or 150ps now
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Incase you lazy go surf ..



and the link ..

Lancer GT Malaysia

Now .. would you mind explaining what is Lancer GL again ?

Not sure what is MMC here up to at the moment. From what I know, Lancer 2.0GT from 2007 until the last time I still follow up with them, the tuning for GT and later EX has always been output 155ps@6000rpm and torque 199Nm@4250rpm.

jnick,
Details on Lancer GL I got it from overseas ofcourse. Not here. In fact, MMC in that country sells 1.5GLX, 2.0GL/GLS/GT that they even have heightened suspension variant with overall height from 1490mm up to 1505mm.

Inspira is using Lancer chassis, detuned GL engine + standard CVT JATCO gearbox with smaller gears. Other than these, the rest of the parts are built by P1. The suspension is not the same as in Lancer GT. What I dislike about CVT, ATF fluid change not exceeding 60,000km interval and have to pay RM400.
Kerb weight 1335kg
0-100km/h 10.5s

Verdict is, go test drive both kawkaw and check which 1 do you prefer. Personally I love the Lancer GT but I like the Forte now. Dun like Inspira as the bumpers, steering and some of the non-ori MMC parts seems cheap.

Then from where you got your info that inspira is a copy of lancer gl?
do u even know what the diff between the so call lancer gl and lancer gt?
or u read broucher and put it together ?


I am interested on where u find ur facts seriously..
detune lancer gl engine. Does that means lancer GT and lancer GL having a different engine?
CVT jatco with smaller gears... Whats the benefit and where u get the info.
the rest of the parts are build by proton.. And u got this from?
absorbers and spring yes.. This one by proton

Since when I say copy? Stated clearly earlier, P1 got license from MMC to build Inspira using Lancer GL chassis, engine + gearbox with local parts. When Inspira launched in 2011, Lancer EX/GT engine output/torque still superior. You got your info only from brochure?

For your info.. I do remap for inspria and lancer.. And the info u got from the website and from wherever is all out of date. Since 2011, due to emission control, mitsubishi has detune the car and inspira roll out with the latest mapping from mitsu. I even got a fren driving a 2011 comes with the same inspira map totally!
And do u actually know what is the difference between lancer GL and GT ? (local market we have lancer GT GLS and Ex) GLS and EX were discon.
And dont mind explaining to me what is the different in terms of chassis for lancer GT and GL if u dun mind, coz u looks convince GT and GL have different chassis


Sorry not trying to says inspira same as lancer gt. But ur facts are missleading..

No doubt lancer gt have much better craftmanship but at a more premium price for sure.

As for engine. 4B11 only one variant and the output is control by the ecu. No differences in terms of engine. And its the same gearbox from jatco for all lancer or inspira variant.
The diff between lancer gls and gt is only the trim. Chassis is the same. Lancer gt fitted with sports abosrber n sprig with anti roll bar. As for GLs it is meant for comfort hence no anti roll bar. Inspira comes with a smaller anti roll bar compare GT. Infact due to low volume most of the parts are direct order from mitsubishi. (fitting might be not as good as lancer)
I can even list out what are the parts localize..
And do u think with sales volume so low, jatco will customize smaller gear for u?

You replied too soon before I could edit my comment in replying to your second comment.

In '07, from what I could recall, the Lancer GL has beige interior, smaller rims around 16" and minus the skirting and spoiler at RM107k while GT at RM112k before revised to RM115k then RM117k and finally in '09 to RM123k. No difference on engine at that time. EX is a GT without bodykit & smaller rims selling at RM115k while GT at RM123k.

The overseas variant, other than detuned engine in GL, it has smaller lighter multi-link rear. Also, they have more variants on interior colour, not just black.

Multilink were never smaller infact 2.0 2.4 or 1.8 all the same. There are two types of rear arm only. FOr front wheel drive only or for rear wheel drive as well. Got hole for the drive shaft to pass thru. The anti roll bar yes. GT has a 20mm. Ex n gls doesnt.
Local market beige for gls and ex . Black for gt.

Those ratio in CVT are just VIRTUAL GEARS. Control by software! Lolz

And please do go compare the gear urself again. Its both running the same gearbox code. u can check proton edar website against mitsubishi australia (they got stated the ratio there) he virtual gears

I am using less technical explanation. Less item in the whole rear suspension aka smaller & eventually lighter.

CVT gearbox is using moveable face to represent gears. Not virtual but using reels to enlarge/reduce size of moveable face on the drive gear. Ofcourse, the same CVT gearbox is fitted in Lancer GL/GT/GLS and Inspira. The steel belt is there holding the drive and driven moveable face and allowing them to move within limit.

What makes CVT sluggish is it takes time for the moveable face to add/reduce the reels to represent 1st, 2nd, 3rd,...6th gears upshift/downshift. Conventional gearbox is still mechanical, you want first gear, shift and engage. 2nd, 3rd, etc, the mechanism just release, disengage/engage the gears therefore more responsive.

Back then, they find it difficult to come up with more gears in conventional AT & would become heavy so they come up with CVT at lower cost. Now that they could build 6AT, 7AT and 8AT and with dual clutch + smooth shifting, CVT is loosing popularity. Audi once turned to CVT and they now revert back to conventional AT for reliability & lower maintenance.

What less rear suspension item are u trying to says?
What is in lancer GT rear suspension tat inspira dun have?
absorber? Is diff made by proton
Spring? Is diff made by proton
Anti roll bar? Is smaller on inspira

So what is in the lancer rear suspension tat isnt in inspira?

And your claim most of the parts are localize. Can give example ?

And if u have not been driving cvt before the gear shift are infinite when u r in D.. When u push it tp manual only it move to 1st 2nd 3rd ratio. Specified location on the con. Thats why they call it virtual. If u put in D. U floor it.. The rpm will stay at max and the infinite gear ratio within the specify range will do the work. Not necessary 1,2,3,4,5,6 of the virtual gear numbers

Hard to describe, you just jack both cars up and compare and see for yourself. Next, get both to Sepang racetrack and try to take hard corner at 80km/h, 100km/h, 110km/h, 120km/h and so on until you can't perform the turn. Then you'll know what I'm talking about.

About the localised parts, you ask yourself the difference between Wira 1.6GLI and Lancer 1.6GL '93 other than the outside wraparound, what are the localised parts inside. Ofcourse they use local ingredient to mould the parts. Whatelse. The suspension, it is from P1 tuned by Lotus as claim. Not from MMC.

Ofcourse I have been driving CVT. You paddleshift to 1,2,3,4,5 or 6, the CVT gearbox moveable face will still enlarge and shrink the size to represent the gears you shift to anyway. I am talking about the activity in the CVT gearbox. CVT use moveable face to represent gears as fulcrum/medium for the crankshaft to driveshaft moving the axles. Conventional AT has physical gears as fulcrum/medium for driveshaft.

Hard to describe, you just jack both cars up and compare and see for yourself. Next, get both to Sepang racetrack and try to take hard corner at 80km/h, 100km/h, 110km/h, 120km/h and so on until you can't perform the turn. Then you'll know what I'm talking about.

About the localised parts, you ask yourself the difference between Wira 1.6GLI and Lancer 1.6GL '93 other than the outside wraparound, what are the localised parts inside. Ofcourse they use local ingredient to mould the parts. Whatelse. The suspension, it is from P1 tuned by Lotus as claim. Not from MMC.

Ofcourse I have been driving CVT. You paddleshift to 1,2,3,4,5 or 6, the CVT gearbox moveable face will still enlarge and shrink the size to represent the gears you shift to anyway. I am talking about the activity in the CVT gearbox. CVT use moveable face to represent gears as fulcrum/medium for the crankshaft to driveshaft moving the axles. Conventional AT has physical gears as fulcrum/medium for driveshaft.

Main point is, Lancer is still alive today because it has something that Inspira don't and that is why RV of Lancer still ok. Else, Lancer would have wind up and got killed by Inspira like how Wira killed Lancer and Perdana killed Galant in 1994.