infact that time the Pakistani Pilots are very good, even with the lack of resource
Pakistan has long been dominated by military government known for instilling strict discipline, so it's expected they will produce some talented personnel. However, without a strong economy you simply cannot do much. Pakistan's military suffers deterioration since its economy declined in late 1960s. The 1947 and 1965 wars with India were fought to a stalemate. After that, the 1971 and 1999 wars with India were defeats.
Now it is a nation that 'beg for cash from Saudi', 'beg for investment from China', and 'beg for aid from the US'. It is so dangerous to let one of Asia's most underdeveloped country control an arsenal of nukes. That is the case for Pakistan and in fact most other Middle East, they cannot balance military and economy, and hence cannot survive in a fight for long. They cannot be like Taiwan or South Korea who can build up strong defense against external threats and at the same time develop vibrant economies.
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QUOTE(rivost @ Jun 24 2013, 05:16 PM)
Pakistan has long been dominated by military government known for instilling strict discipline, so it's expected they will produce some talented personnel. However, without a strong economy you simply cannot do much. Pakistan's military suffers deterioration since its economy declined in late 1960s. The 1947 and 1965 wars with India were fought to a stalemate. After that, the 1971 and 1999 wars with India were defeats.
Now it is a nation that 'beg for cash from Saudi', 'beg for investment from China', and 'beg for aid from the US'. It is so dangerous to let one of Asia's most underdeveloped country control an arsenal of nukes.
Correct, until now their surface warfare school is still recognize as one of the best in the commonwealth!
Correct, until now their surface warfare school is still recognize as one of the best in the commonwealth!
'Best' also no use, there is no pride at all when your country is subjected to regular foreign drone attacks. Zimbabwe's education system was once among the best in Africa, the country's professionals are highly regarded throughout Sub-Saharan Africa. But they are now left to rot with the country's failed economy.
Students from those schools will either 1.) allow themselves to degrade over time in the country's military or 2.) go to serve other nations as instructors, trainers or etc. Like many Pakistanis said, there is little hope for the nation and the people are bound to be servants for 10 generations.
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QUOTE(rivost @ Jun 24 2013, 05:38 PM)
'Best' also no use, there is no pride at all when your country is subjected to regular foreign drone attacks. Zimbabwe's education system was once among the best in Africa, the country's professionals are highly regarded throughout Sub-Saharan Africa. But they are now left to rot with the country's failed economy.
Students from those schools will either 1.) allow themselves to degrade over time in the country's military or 2.) go to serve other nations as instructors, trainers or etc. Like many Pakistanis said, there is little hope for the nation and the people are bound to be servants for 10 generations.
geah, i thought they will use roflcopter or apache ke...
mana tahu, A-10 tapi sayangnya didnt' work. lol
ofc it didnt work. already classed the target as extremely dangerous, but dont want use missile. after fail 1st run, then only decide want to use missile. at that time they already lose the elements of surprise
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QUOTE(Lord Tiki Mick @ Jun 24 2013, 01:23 PM)
I we are going to do the same, the people will rage say songlap la apa la. When not listed will give degrading comments. Ptuih!
What degrading comments? Anyone who expects Malaysia to be in any top 10 military list is an unrealistic idiot.
And, yeah...songlap is an issue. I wouldn't mind if they upped the budget for defense if only our army actually benefited from it. What does our army have? Submarines that can't submerge, helicopters that crash, overpriced patrol boats, etc. Why? Because of songlap. Simple as that. Everything that we buy also will go over budget for outdated crap. So no, I don't approve of additional spending...not unless we clear up the songlap issue first.
What degrading comments? Anyone who expects Malaysia to be in any top 10 military list is an unrealistic idiot.
And, yeah...songlap is an issue. I wouldn't mind if they upped the budget for defense if only our army actually benefited from it. What does our army have? Submarines that can't submerge, helicopters that crash, overpriced patrol boats, etc. Why? Because of songlap. Simple as that. Everything that we buy also will go over budget for outdated crap. So no, I don't approve of additional spending...not unless we clear up the songlap issue first.
Which submarines that can't submerge? Sorry I'm slow pork.
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QUOTE(Lord Tiki Mick @ Jun 24 2013, 06:22 PM)
Which submarines that can't submerge? Sorry I'm slow pork.
Slow pork my foot. You know what I'm referring to. Yes, they probably rectified by now (I dunno, never bothered to stay updated) but that doesn't change the fact that they had problems initially. We overpaid for them and some poor Mongolian girl got blown up as part of the deal too.
Oh, and I believe their purpose was to patrol the waters off the coast of Sabah. Not that I want to disparage the capabilities of our army, but seriously...what can 2 submarines do? We still got invaded anyway. One wonders if the budget couldn't have been spent on something more effective...like more fast patrol boats that are hopefully not overpriced.
Slow pork my foot. You know what I'm referring to. Yes, they probably rectified by now (I dunno, never bothered to stay updated) but that doesn't change the fact that they had problems initially. We overpaid for them and some poor Mongolian girl got blown up as part of the deal too.
Oh, and I believe their purpose was to patrol the waters off the coast of Sabah. Not that I want to disparage the capabilities of our army, but seriously...what can 2 submarines do? We still got invaded anyway. One wonders if the budget couldn't have been spent on something more effective...like more fast patrol boats that are hopefully not overpriced.
They patrol other place one maybe. Like Spratly islands. Submarine only how much, how to patrol whole sabah coasts?
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QUOTE(Lord Tiki Mick @ Jun 24 2013, 06:35 PM)
They patrol other place one maybe. Like Spratly islands. Submarine only how much, how to patrol whole sabah coasts?
Yeah, 2 submarines will scare off the Chinese navy.
Like it or not, we are going to be bullied out of the Spratlys by China. There's just no way around it. Even if all of SEA were to pull together their resources, we won't be able to match China and this assumes we can even cooperate with each other considering that each and every country also lays its own claim to those islands.
Yeah, 2 submarines will scare off the Chinese navy.
Like it or not, we are going to be bullied out of the Spratlys by China. There's just no way around it. Even if all of SEA were to pull together their resources, we won't be able to match China and this assumes we can even cooperate with each other considering that each and every country also lays its own claim to those islands.
everytime i see top 10's in the world thread, india is there..top 10 millitary, airforce, movies, best brain's etc etc but still yet named as developing and poor nation despite having all the powers to become super power..some serious shit is wrong with the goverment i think...
Countries with the world's most powerful airforce, rulers of the skies 
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