And its Israel lol.

Actually, most of the oil exporting Middle-East countries have procured modern fighters as well from the US/UK, and France. Its just that their pilots as well as support personnel are nowhere near as capable as Israel's.

Cannon fodder.

Crazy does not necessarily mean combat effective. It just means they are crazy.

What degrading comments? Anyone who expects Malaysia to be in any top 10 military list is an unrealistic idiot.

And, yeah...songlap is an issue. I wouldn't mind if they upped the budget for defense if only our army actually benefited from it. What does our army have? Submarines that can't submerge, helicopters that crash, overpriced patrol boats, etc. Why? Because of songlap. Simple as that. Everything that we buy also will go over budget for outdated crap. So no, I don't approve of additional spending...not unless we clear up the songlap issue first.

Slow pork my foot. You know what I'm referring to. Yes, they probably rectified by now (I dunno, never bothered to stay updated) but that doesn't change the fact that they had problems initially. We overpaid for them and some poor Mongolian girl got blown up as part of the deal too.

Oh, and I believe their purpose was to patrol the waters off the coast of Sabah. Not that I want to disparage the capabilities of our army, but seriously...what can 2 submarines do? We still got invaded anyway. One wonders if the budget couldn't have been spent on something more effective...like more fast patrol boats that are hopefully not overpriced.

Yeah, 2 submarines will scare off the Chinese navy.

Like it or not, we are going to be bullied out of the Spratlys by China. There's just no way around it. Even if all of SEA were to pull together their resources, we won't be able to match China and this assumes we can even cooperate with each other considering that each and every country also lays its own claim to those islands.

Because it has a large population of which most are still living in poverty.

Developed nation status is accorded based on average GDP per capita. The majority of the country's citizens must have a high standard of living in order to be considered as developed. That is not the case with India, nor is it even with China. Note that while China's GDP has indeed overtaken Japan, its GDP per capita lags far behind.