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 PROTON SAGA BLM, FL & FLX CLUB V45, new saga this sat? need to fix everyday!

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garybenjamin
post Jun 10 2013, 12:18 AM

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QUOTE(square90 @ Jun 10 2013, 12:16 AM)
oh really? so what should I do now? already paid 200...
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Did they give u the Order form ? if yes pls read behind the form actually it should be stated no booking shall receive from buyer ... but since u ald paid then no turn back just do it la ... well nx time when we go audit another branch kena ~ bye.gif grumble.gif
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post Jun 10 2013, 12:21 AM

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QUOTE(garybenjamin @ Jun 10 2013, 12:18 AM)
Did they give u the Order form ? if yes pls read behind the form actually it should be stated no booking shall receive from buyer ... but since u ald paid then no turn back just do it la ... well nx time when we go audit another branch kena ~  bye.gif  grumble.gif
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they didnt give me anything. i need to pay less rm200 for my downpayment later. so what to do now? but that location is sure authorized one? how to check that ? they got the red flx 1.3. so nice.
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post Jun 10 2013, 12:22 AM

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QUOTE(limadekad @ Jun 9 2013, 11:50 PM)
There is a scenario i have,

my front right tyre inner part wears out far quickly than the outer area.

my rear left tyre wears out faster than the right one.

what could be the cause?

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Read below:

QUOTE(davidke20 @ Jan 16 2013, 02:55 PM)
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Tofu beam problem. Anyway, send for alignment check & see whether camber ran out more than -1. If yes need to fix, cause by default Plotong set it up as -1 left & -1 right. And its supposed to looked like

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U can leave it run even camber is out, but the problem is your rear tayar will eat faster than usual. As for why Plotong set it as -1, that's bcoz for handling purpose. As & when u tarik corner, your rear wheel will have more tayar surface contact to the ground. If u hv more -ve value meaning better cornering handling. Previously my Shawie & GaGa both ran out of shape kaw-kaw. GaGa due to too much henbrek drift, until 1 side ran -4.5. Worst case I've heard is Marhaihai's BLM, ran -32.

I've sent both my Shawie & GaGa to repair rear camber, currently both cars both side set to -0.5. To save tayar rather than speed cornering.
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Before I know about open camber on the rear axle

QUOTE(davidke20 @ Sep 24 2012, 09:08 PM)
Was having little fun with GaGa this evening, am particularly looking for Gabby to bully, as I reached LDP Damansara tool, so happened infront is a black Gabby with R3 bodykit & a huge exhaust! I waited my change, then I grdually accelerated near to that car. Been following it for awhile, the Gabby seems didn't realize I'm at the back continue driving 60 @ fast lane. I downshift to 2nd gear, getting ready to engage.

As soon as we hit Bandar Utama,he accelerated, so as I following closely. I can see the D4F engine is struggling as the Gabby finishes its 2nd gear, blown some smoke whilst he clutched. On 3rd gear, he continue to struggle as my RPM crawling up gradually, keeping up with no sweat at all. As we getting into tunnel, I thought I'd overtake & ditch the Gabby and finish it. As we gets into the tunnel, suddenly reminds me of the tofu beam, I let loose abit throttle. The Gabby was roaring inside the tunnel, my speedometer showing 80kmh, but the Gabby started pulling off, as I see its backwheel OPEN CAMBER!!! WTF?! I didn't know torsion beam was designed to bend! I was slowly catching up at SS2, the Gabby pull to middle lane with double signal. I gradually passes by, sounded my honk twice as a friendly gesture, then I continue to sprint off. The Gabby catch up at Kelana Jaya, I wasn't prepare for a 2nd round, so I slip to middle lane and give way. My speed was around 120kmh, and the Gabby overtook me from my right, speeding up the ram. I was smelling the Gabby's fume not far from it. As we reach infront of Giant, the Gabby continue acceleration, then gradually pulling away from me! As I seen the taling, steadily pushing G-force at the small curve after pos ofiz, a short straight road then he hit the westerndigital ram, then vanished. It was marvelous experience to play with the GaGa "smaller" big brother. I wasn't realize the torsion beam was meant to be that way when attacking corner. Learn a little bit more on torsion beam today as I suffer a minor loss in repairing it. Bravo Plotong.
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post Jun 10 2013, 12:32 AM

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QUOTE(Vinz lee @ Jun 9 2013, 11:57 PM)
Any gaga here using k&n air filter ?
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If you're getting a 2nd hand unit of KNN filter, make sure the part number is correct. There's 2 similar type of KNN filter that almost can fit Campor engine. 1 is for Hongda Agord, another 1 baru fit GaGa. If you terbought the Hongda Agord filter, you'll leave a small clearance unfiltered in your air box. So, better make sure it fully cover your air box before you shut it. Some of the minor thing you should take note when purchasing used performance filter.

1) If it's a KNN, make sure its still red in color. Dark red is fine, not to the extend of only see black please
2) Make sure no lobang. Some smarty pants(namely me) last time will use a brush to wash filter, ended up all the sponge kena damaged
3) Make sure the surrounding rubber still soft. If it get hardened, chances of debris fly inside your engine are great.

KNN for me is seriously over priced and hard to take care over the long run. I sold off mine for a quick RM100 coz I'm lazy to wash/reoil it. If you're getting 1 that meets minimal requirement without having the above 3 mentioned, anything below RM100 is find regardless how many years in the car. It's just a filter anyway.

On the side note, KNN advertised increased horse power does not mean your car increase top speed/actual peak horse power. 1 must understand our GaGa came with ranjiao locked down by Plotong Siemen's ECU. Regardless how you change the airflow, the engine management will sough alternative to compensate output by altering your ignition/fuel injection rate, to avoid burning lean/over heating/detonation/ping that might harm the engine. However, it's not entirely useless for those performance filter, because increase of air flow can simply means changes of torque distribution. Despite ECU already locked, the actual fact is more air being sucked into the combustion chamber. So, your torque distribution may raised from 4krpm down to 3.8krpm. Some compensation on the high end due to burning lean. More like the graph below:

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post Jun 10 2013, 12:32 AM

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QUOTE(davidke20 @ Jun 10 2013, 12:22 AM)
Read below:
Before I know about open camber on the rear axle
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i think multi link/ wishbone wont have such thing right ? ...
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post Jun 10 2013, 12:36 AM

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QUOTE(square90 @ Jun 10 2013, 12:21 AM)
they didnt give me anything. i need to pay less rm200 for my downpayment later. so what to do now? but that location is sure authorized one? how to check that ? they got the red flx 1.3. so nice.
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So you just gave him cash but didn't get even a receipt?

Wah the red FLX mesmerized you til you guai guai hand over your money ka.... shocking.gif
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post Jun 10 2013, 12:39 AM

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QUOTE(davidke20 @ Jun 10 2013, 12:32 AM)
If you're getting a 2nd hand unit of KNN filter, make sure the part number is correct. There's 2 similar type of KNN filter that almost can fit Campor engine. 1 is for Hongda Agord, another 1 baru fit GaGa. If you terbought the Hongda Agord filter, you'll leave a small clearance unfiltered in your air box. So, better make sure it fully cover your air box before you shut it. Some of the minor thing you should take note when purchasing used performance filter.

1) If it's a KNN, make sure its still red in color. Dark red is fine, not to the extend of only see black please
2) Make sure no lobang. Some smarty pants(namely me) last time will use a brush to wash filter, ended up all the sponge kena damaged
3) Make sure the surrounding rubber still soft. If it get hardened, chances of debris fly inside your engine are great.

KNN for me is seriously over priced and hard to take care over the long run. I sold off mine for a quick RM100 coz I'm lazy to wash/reoil it. If you're getting 1 that meets minimal requirement without having the above 3 mentioned, anything below RM100 is find regardless how many years in the car. It's just a filter anyway.

On the side note, KNN advertised increased horse power does not mean your car increase top speed/actual peak horse power. 1 must understand our GaGa came with ranjiao locked down by Plotong Siemen's ECU. Regardless how you change the airflow, the engine management will sough alternative to compensate output by altering your ignition/fuel injection rate, to avoid burning lean/over heating/detonation/ping that might harm the engine. However, it's not entirely useless for those performance filter, because increase of air flow can simply means changes of torque distribution. Despite ECU already locked, the actual fact is more air being sucked into the combustion chamber. So, your torque distribution may raised from 4krpm down to 3.8krpm. Some compensation on the high end due to burning lean. More like the graph below:

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Noted. Thanks you so much for the details smile.gif
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post Jun 10 2013, 12:43 AM

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QUOTE(garybenjamin @ Jun 10 2013, 12:32 AM)
i think multi link/ wishbone wont have such thing right ? ...
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Listen to Jeremy's explain better than mine:

EP3: Old model, double wishbone
FN2: New model, tofu beam



And, tofu beam only need minimal/close to NIL maintenance unless you permanently bent it, you'll have to repair it. As for wishbone/multilink, anytime you take off your strut, you'll have to redo your camber/alignment doh.gif Costing for car manufacturer, tofu beam is MUCH cheaper. The only advantage to have in multilink/wishbone strut setup is handling but that's all.

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QUOTE(dares @ Jun 10 2013, 12:36 AM)
So you just gave him cash but didn't get even a receipt?

Wah the red FLX mesmerized you til you guai guai hand over your money ka.... shocking.gif
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so. i was being scam or what ? he said if loan is not approved i can get full refund.
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post Jun 10 2013, 12:55 AM

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QUOTE(square90 @ Jun 10 2013, 12:43 AM)
so. i was being scam or what ? he said if loan is not approved i can get full refund.
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As a matter of common sense, always ask for receipt or any proof of payment when giving out cash. Nanti you go back there the SA denies ever receiving your money how? where's your proof?

But....I don't think they are out to scam you RM200 la.
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post Jun 10 2013, 12:58 AM

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QUOTE(dares @ Jun 10 2013, 12:55 AM)
As a matter of common sense, always ask for receipt or any proof of payment when giving out cash. Nanti you go back there the SA denies ever receiving your money how? where's your proof?

But....I don't think they are out to scam you RM200 la.
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this make me so nervous to make a downpayment later.. i think i just want to cancel to buy from that place.
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post Jun 10 2013, 01:02 AM

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QUOTE(davidke20 @ Jun 10 2013, 12:00 AM)
Ciken rice like mou? Or 1 ton mee jiu prefer brows.gif Dai dai oso go pak DBKL understand. r3apers ady kena 2 weeks ago sweat.gif
Come help me do whistling.gif Lazy lar yawn.gif
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Yah die die park outside or dbkl there.

QUOTE(davidke20 @ Jun 10 2013, 12:05 AM)
Btw, scrap the thick mounting liao. Being warned by Magician last week during installation of APM spring, I demanded taxi height after I saw the car being lower down, but he show me what happened to some cut cost taxi. The spring bengkok and fly out due to not enough free play doh.gif
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Oic. Thn change spring kao tim.lo. yeah.less cost thn.
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post Jun 10 2013, 01:17 AM

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QUOTE(TitanRev @ Jun 9 2013, 09:21 PM)
David, mind if you can tell more about the mid end torque lost thingy?

Guys don't argue la. All driving same car why punching each other? I know I'm new here maybe my words won't even carry much weight.

What items everyone all use is own personal preferences and affordability. 1 man's meat is another man's poison. I join this group just hope that everyone can share and learn from each other about the car not compare who is faster or who using 3max or ultra Racing etc...

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BLM transmission is achi pockai from Nisgan. Magician once show me a Nisgan Sungny 130Y tranny, the layout lookalike with my BLM. Sad but true, need to accept it. The transmission ratio is very close if you reckon I change gear very soon. Our BLM 2nd gear at most can only achieve 80kph, whereas FLX if topped out 7krpm can hit 90kph. That simply imply, on a BLM easier to gain velocity on given RPM same like an FLX.

1) First thing I saw good practice is, you kept the torque peak range 4krpm as a start with semi declutch. Proof of experience driver. Infact I did not practice it during my record.
2) First gear did not fully utilized your rev range. Declutched at around 5.7krpm, the rest of the blank rev hitting 6k was not utilized. Could have just took the rev all the way to 6.5krpm.
3) Since the first gear did not full rev, your range on 2nd gear has been widened, RPM dropped below 5krpm.
4) Again, on 2nd gear drag shifted at 6krpm. Wasted another 10kmh of sprint from the sweet spot between 5~7krpm range.
5) On 3rd gear, it took almost 2 seconds to get from 90kmh to 100kmh.

My BLM is running on 195/55R15, fully stock. I'm not comparing our driving skill, simply let you know your car can do better if you utilize those RPM wisely. I'm seeing potential of 10seconds, if possible late 9seconds on a manual FLX with low profile tyres. Refer to my comment above, if you manage to fully utilize your RPM, your each shift RPM range should between 5~7krpm. I will try to record another sprint without air condition.

Let us know when you drive up to KL, we shall go for a leisure sprint and have good time TT nod.gif
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post Jun 10 2013, 01:29 AM

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QUOTE(square90 @ Jun 10 2013, 12:58 AM)
this make me so nervous to make a downpayment later.. i think i just want to cancel to buy from that place.
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Didn't mean to scare you. Just call up your SA tomorrow and ask him to retroactively issue to you a receipt or any document that proves that you have paid a booking fee for a red Proton Saga FLX 1.3l.
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QUOTE(KIntos @ Jun 8 2013, 11:41 AM)
Castrol magnatec 10 40w semi free powerbank 2000 mah

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Where do you buy?
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anyone here with flx 1.6 executive?how is the FC consumption?that's what i heard from sales man saying that 1.6 has high FC.
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QUOTE(mkei87 @ Jun 10 2013, 01:53 AM)
anyone here with flx 1.6 executive?how is the FC consumption?that's what i heard from sales man saying that 1.6 has high FC.
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The salesman trying to push his 1.3l stock to you issit?

No, 1.6 have similiar FC with 1.3, maybe a wee bit higher depending on your driving.
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QUOTE(dares @ Jun 10 2013, 01:59 AM)
The salesman trying to push his 1.3l stock to you issit?

No, 1.6 have similiar FC with 1.3, maybe a wee bit higher depending on your driving.
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yes. it is. how about acceleration and handling?
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post Jun 10 2013, 06:37 AM

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QUOTE(mkei87 @ Jun 10 2013, 06:19 AM)
yes. it is. how about acceleration and handling?
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1.6 tapau 1.3 then yawn.gif
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QUOTE(billy520 @ Jun 9 2013, 10:14 PM)
yes UR has a website going on but it is because they have a HUGE amount of $$ to create it.

and how they got HUGE amount of $$? its because they are long enough in the market, have customers base and they are well known via sponsors and etc. usually well known stuff does generate more income compared to those that are not so well known but this does not means that those cap ayam(forgive me marhaihai) product cant do their job well.

i have seen blogs where people with UR bars survive genting crash, the one yab and the others were discussing about and sometimes, it was these moments that create even more publicity for certain brands. and these publicity does generate awareness and make the brand known by even more people. trust me, if one day and touch wood, if anyone of our gaga fell off a cliff, not yab got scared by his friends when taking a piss by the cliff, that particular brand will too in turn, be as famous as UR. why? simply because their product does what it was designed to be. and i do believe they do not make the 4 point for no reason the same way UR made their 2 points. both are different company and both have different team of engineer performing R&D so why not just trust either brand and drive safely, shall we?

and i admit trolling marhaihai and yab now but i believe they took it cool. i think you should too.  icon_rolleyes.gif
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Bro, at least, you are not here on some personal warpath to attack me and my opinions. But davidke20 and a few other dudes now taking fun to PERSONALLY attack me.

and for what? just because I said that UR strut bars in my opinion is better than 3max eventhough 3max has 4 points, or goodness knows how many points they can think up.

and the rear strut bar from UR, they said I spelled it wrong lah, this la, that lah, but I said the function of the UR rear strut bar or whatever gizmo name they called it, is to tie the 2 absorber springs together..... and some funker calling me names....

come on.... 3max Rear seat brace ties inside the cabin to 2 sides of the soft seat frame..... how much difference is this going to make? the cabin is not supposed to flex, it is supposed to stay rigid, so putting a 3max bar on the soft seat frame will do NOTHING. just look how thin is the material this piece of metal rod is screwed on. look at the angle? DOES IT MATTER IF YOU HAVE A TRIANGLE PIECE OF METAL TYING UP 2 SIDES OF A SOFT SEAT FRAME? just because the bars got scratches like what davidke20 says doesnt prove anything except it made of poor finishing and some luggage stuffed into the boot easily scratched the product,,,,,...wah so good quality?!

anyway

I WAS NOT ATTACKING ANYONE. I DIDNT AT ANY POINT MENTION MAHIHI OR WHATEVER HE WISHES TO GO BY. IT IS THOSE SENSITIVE, INSECURE PEOPLE LIKE FUNKER, DAVIDKE20 AND THE REST WHO FELT SO BUTT HURT THAT I MENTIONED SOMETHING BAD ABOUT THEIR 3MAX IMITATION BARS THAT THEY IMMEDIATELY CLAIM I WAS STILL SORE WITH THE SNOB, WHICH SADLY I WASNT, I JUST SO HAPPEN TO POINT OUT THAT THE 3MAX BARS HAS UNNESSECARY EXCESS SQUID ARMS WHICH WILL NOT ADD ANY VALUE OR BENEFIT TO IT.....WANT ME TO CRITISIZE, THIS IS ME CRITISIZING...

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