Damn so pissed la people like you. If I was selling something that many people would like, wouldnt you just appreciate it, calm down, and stop b****ing?

I've got many cases people reserve this and that, and at last don't buy. So if you want it pay for it or some way to really confirm the deal with encore.

Diss the reserve thingy la dude. Seller has every right.

btw, hw come theres such thg as reservign in lowyat?
btw i think 1 day my name will appear in trade dispute man, coz my policy is 1st come 1st server, can come my house COD get super prirority

oh if u were to deal with a fussy guy, u better not sell to him

you will have non stop complains

seller has every right to choose who to sell it to. If he think u r not genuine, not honest or not easy to deal with, he might as well go with others who is otherwise. Peace of mind.

another case of fussy buyer... pity enCore...

sell to him u will SOON get tons of troubles... don't sell to him also you get the trouble... sellers in LYN are seriously being abused by some of the buyers...

i'm wondering should we established a standard way of trading in such a way that it is neutral and not sided to buyer only?

I'm behind Encore in this case.
I never see agree with him on the audio thread, (We have different ears) but for this I can see why he preferred to see it to lazybone.
It's so much easier a transaction, without having to go through the complications.

Encore if I were you, I'd take the time to settle with Lazybone, but reply this guy with a holy "weird nickname" really slowly, just so if lazybone does cancel, I can revert to selling to him.
If Lazybone doesn't cancel, then I can just cut him off. Both ways, I win!

Usually ppl will avoid this kind of buyer...but..unless no demand...den no choise..take the risk to sell to him. But if got ppl with high buying potential and comfirmation havent been made...of course anyone will choose the 3rd party.

He's been observing the thread for sometime without any replies you know...


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yea...exactly, nobody likes fussy buyers...i've met tonnes of them, ask tis ask tat, bla bla, complaining bout d stuff, n in d end say think bout it 1st

Gentlemen, before we discuss further, allow me to reinstate the purpose of the topic. It is mean for
deciding whether encore sold the item before the end of reserve period.
The topic is not for deciding who gave encore a better offer.
Hopefully everyone still stays focused after reading encore's argumentive, emotional and offensive (e.g. f*** off of this excuse; screw you) explanation.

2 things we need to confirm in order to prove encore FFK before end of reserve period.
1. confirmed he did mention about reserving the item to me until Friday IF I was still interested
2. to prove his assumption that I was interested before lazybone confirmed the transaction with him.



On 25 April, encore said he cannot confirm the deal yet.


On 26 April, he promised to reserve the item until Friday (28 April) if I still interested.
Please take note of the chronological order of encore's PM which he didn't show clearly in his explanation.
(He cannot confirm yet initially. Then, he offerred to reserve for me subsequently if I still interested).

I did show my interest by PM encore daily (after he offered me a reserve) to follow up the progress (getting CF enclosure and stylus from previous seller).
And that's no doubt that encore knew I was still interested to buy the PDA from him if he could get the CF enclosure and stylus (part of the deal in my offer).
This assumption is supported by the encore's PMs on 27 and 28 April.



No doubt that encore still assume I was interested to buy the PDA before lazybone confirmed transaction with him. If not, why he bothered to give me a new deal (reserve price RM600) when he can't get the stylus on 28 April. (I offered him RM650 for complete set on 25 April)

--> encore is proven again in his own statement that he is trying to twist the truth by equalizing "interested" to "full confirmation".
Should "interested" = "full confirmation of deal"?
Please take note, encore said "interested" not "full confirmation" in his PM as a requirement for him to reserve the item for me.
AFAIK, "interested" = will buy but not confirmed (while waiting for the problem to be sort out)
"full confirmation" = fully committed, definitely buy
Gentlemen (except encore), please correct me if I am wrong.

I won't challenge him and won't start this topic if encore informed me that someone gave him a better offer (in this case, lazybone) and set a time for me to respond (like "please confirm by 5PM or I will sell to others" in his PM on 28 April).

This post has been edited by abrls: May 1 2006, 01:31 PM

You're still not gonna get the Dell anwyay.......what's the big deal anyway?
You're pretty fussy aren't you?

No big deal.
Just reveal the truth.

I think most of the ppl here are confused with the matter

It's not whether we can understand why encore chose to sell to the other guy, it's whether what he did was right
If you get 5 fussy ppl offering u a price, do u think it's fair to say "i'll reserve it for you" to all 5 of them, and when 1 nice buyer shows up u immediately forget about the others?

Understandable or not would be argued based on how the buyer and seller talked
Correct or not would be based on whether the item was agreed to be reserved

And again, if the guy was so freaking irritating u shouldn't have reserved it in the first place

Encore..lesson to be learn from your problem is...When we got better Offer from others..it best to hide it from other buyer..and tell them..'Omg..my PDA fall from my desk and cant be on now' Or When i packing ....suddenly i step on it.' If u dont mind..i can sell the faulty item to u for rm590 ' . He will feel pity for u and say...he will look for better buyer. Hope ppl take notice of this.

That is what i practise in lelong or other web when i got better offer. They cant blame u because it an accident.

This post has been edited by D@rk: May 1 2006, 02:06 PM

D@rk i wudnt hide haha. just tell him off. im not willing to sell u the item. haha

Not everyone learn business here, so can not do it the professional way. Most come here just to trade. First come first serve.

Thats your problem, because winnerbuyer keen to spend his time to see my frequently update thread. My offer mention will be end by Friday or anytime (stated on my thread). But then you also try to booked the item on Friday which that mean youre contradict yourself to buy before the end.

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okay Mr Holy Man, you're talking CRAP

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1. Your statement now contradict of your accusation; as long the IF mention on my words & thats cannot be sure as my 'will'.
2. Making unclear subject does not make you (& I) interested, check those PM log on post4. READ onmy 4thpost la BODO


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1. Since when I promise sales to you ? Show your evidence. You clearly mention that I cannot comfirm initially & you know my status -unclear, thus you making me not seriously taken.

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Not only you 'interested' for my sales, theres more people asking for the item, as I still awaiting your comfirmation due your silly question. Until you making decision on Friday 6:24pm 'to accept' my offer.

Compare to winnerbuyer he already confirmed my deal, but I sell to him on Friday.

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I mention this update not only for you, it was notification updated as your requested, afair I do send pm to other whos 'interest'



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What's this CRAP ? let ppl judge this problem

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But then you threaten me right away after sales & warn to spread this matter on public. Such disgusting manner only becoz youre late 30minutes, so padan muka.

As for the rules & regulation offer can be closed by anytime. It's my sale & my rules so 1st come 1st serve


You finished ? can I go know

This post has been edited by enCORe: May 1 2006, 07:47 PM

OK, that's no point to argue further by posting screenshots of PMs with comment.

The point I start the topic is to show the evidence that encore did break his own promise in the process of selling his Axim.

So let the evidence speaks for itself and people do the judgement.

My advice to potential seller, please state clearly in your offer:
1. 1st come 1st served

Don't simply give empty promise (like reserving) to any potential buyer if you just want to sell your item to the buyer who gives you the highest offer / best offer.
This is to avoid unnecessary misunderstanding between seller and buyer.
It will save the seller from ruining his own reputation.

then mor close topic loh...

in this case, we'll need to look into defining 'About the prices, I'm now reserving to you until Friday'

only the price is reserved until Friday not the item? does it mean seller will not change the price until Friday?

does that also mean the seller can't sell the item ? yes ? no ?

encore, sellers always on the losing end when being too good to buyers, u should have slammed him on his face by a msg like 'Sorry, i do not want to sell to u because u r too fussy'. Solved all ur problem and peace of mind

i've learned my mistake . Do not be good to buyer, u need to protect yourself cause u'll never know when u met a nasty buyer.

abrsl
look at the attachment, r u stupid or something ?

With an "undoubtful" reply you define it as 'you & I' comfirmation ?

Both us NEVER meet satisfaction for fully confirmation. There will be no deal unless both party commit for deal;

-You-
You still didn't reply my with clear message to confirm, until winbuyer decided. On Friday 28-4-06, 6:24pm you finally accept my offer, but youre too late. So why do you need to reply 'to accept' my deal if both party was tie in contract ?

-Me-
By putting 'IF' in CAPITAL LETTER, there will be no confirmation due certain reason; like new member, uncertain, buyers not in condition etc. Even IF youre senior member I should aware of FFK cases.
FYI - There's also FFK cases during my Axim deal but I let just it go.


Now Mr moderator can you help me to solve this problem, I've state all my proof at least some "Magistrate advisor"





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A nego price is not firm, thats mean price base on nego and can be change. This is mention & updated on my sales thread. The offer will be end on Friday, not the price.


At 1st, yes it can be sell by anytime (open sale), but on Tuesday I've updating the item should be released/sale by late Friday due awaiting stylus demand.

Everything was updated on the sales thread with pm notification to interest buyer.

This post has been edited by enCORe: May 2 2006, 01:39 AM

totally agree... last time i also kena... does those sell stuff noe wats d meaaning of reserve??? it means d item will b keep for a certain time..

if in d period, got potential buyer offers higher price, thats is ur prob,and he shud b list as bc up... coz u reserve for d 1st person....

if d seller wanna sell whos offer him higher, plz state it and dun use 'reserve' word... damnittt...