I put up an [WTB] offer PPC with wifi for RM700 or below.
Get an offer from enCORe (his Axim x50). Since he didn't get all the items from the previous seller, he has promised to reserve the item for me while he was getting the missing items (CF enclosure and stylus) from the previous seller (reserve until 28 April 2006)

The price is confirmed for the complete PDA set plus 1GB CF card. The deal would be sealed (transaction) once all the missing items arrived. Unfortunately, enCORe didn't get the stylus from the previous seller. He pm me at around 2 PM on 28 April and I replied him with his reserved price at around 5 PM. (should be 6 PM after I check the log)

At about 7PM, he PM me that he has sold his PDA before he managed to read my message (sent around 6 PM). He told me another buyer already bank in.

I was shocked and totally disappointed with his unprofessional practice.

This post has been edited by abrls: Apr 30 2006, 05:19 PM

In conclusion, you PM seller, saying after all the accesories reaches his hand, you'll confirm to buy it right?


And the seller sold it before telling or double confirming with you there's another interested party..
Actually... if the seller did confirm to sell it to you in the first place, this could be considered a FFK case, without the invloving of money. Well, a responsible seller should notify the person who reserved in the first place about another offer which comes to him though..
But PM the encOre and ask him to come explain here.

This post has been edited by Enigmatic: Apr 30 2006, 09:05 AM

U r right, Enigmatic.

I will PM enCORe to ask him to provide his explanation here.

This post has been edited by abrls: Apr 30 2006, 10:33 AM

Before I'm explaining my reason, gentlemen please read to the whole log, I'm explaining on the next post

all message are sort by date

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abrls pm on Apr 25 2006, 12:38 AM

I am interested to buy your PDA.
But I need a few clarifications.
1. Retail case (unused) - what type of case is it?
2. Warranty till 27 April 2006, anyway to extend it?
3. Is the original invoice or receipt for the PDA with you?
4. Any chances to get back the CF enclosure?
Looking to hear from you.

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abrls pm on Apr 25 2006, 02:29 AM

// msg re by enCORe
hi there
1. Retail case is the original given cases for PDA, slide in type case
2. Refer HERE
3. YES,
4. maybe, I got email today for Poslaju tracking number by previous seller, should be both CF & stylus
//
Thanks for your fast reply.
1 last question, if POSLAJU is needed for delivery, how are you going to pack the PDA (avoid impaction & possible damage to the PDA during transportation)?
If you manage to get the stylus and CF enclosure from the previous owner, I am willing to pay RMxxx (PDA + 1GB CF).
Deal?

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abrls pm on Apr 25 2006, 11:46 PM

// msg re by enCORe
Well, I just only pack with alot of old newspaper for absortion but then I only can recommend COD for safe.
Places for COD would be at Star LRT Station -Ampang, Maluri, HangTuah, on normal days after 5.50pm onwards. Or ;Lowyat on Saturday, Sunday.
*you need to ease me becoz i only uses public transport to reach u
RMxxx is good prices but cannot comfirm yet, can you wait ? want reserved ?
//
Sorry for the late reply.
Anyway for you to put up the picture of your PDA so that I can see the condition of it.
In your post, you mentioned that the retail case is unused.
So is the PDA protected with any cases when you use it?
If the original box of the PDA still available, then pack it & send with POSLAJU should be OK. Of course extra newspaper outside the original package will provide extra shock absortion.
Regarding the link you sent me in previous for extending the warranty, the webpage only showed method of payment when purchasing is done with Dell. No instructions for extending warranty, did I misread the page? Pls clarify.
For the payment, I can make direct transfer into your bank account, preferably MayBank. (other banks also OK but definitely not BCB or BSN, pls ). Please provide me your bank a/c no., your address and contact no.
Last, about the price. RMxxx is the price I offered. My friend told me it is a bit high in view of no more valid factory warranty when I received the PDA if I buy it from you (warranty end 2 days time). His recommend ed price to grab the PDA is RM600 or less. But I may not want to negotiate further to get a lower price from you and make the whole deal an unhappy one. I just wish that you may give extra discount at your goodwill and make me a happy buyer.
Looking to hear from you.

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abrls post on Apr 26 2006, 05:54 PM

// msg re by enCORe
For the picture I cannot post it until I gather the whole packages complete; still awaiting the send the item. I'm not sure will it happen or not happen, but he's already give me the pos tracking number on monday... should be arrive today . You need to wait for a while or I cannot release it for sale. Thats why I keep my warning and mention the item was incompleted right ?
//
Did the CF enclosure & stylus arrive?

// msg re by enCORe
I'm using optional original Dell Axim cases while the 2ndary retail cases keep unused in the box (means this one it has 2 cases)
//
Same type of case or different type?
// msg re by enCORe
As for Dell weblinks mention types of payment but theres also way to extending warranty, you need to browse. I'v ask about xtending & taking ownership to Dell support via email, but aah... such troublesome everything must through online or by phone call... money.
//
I can't find any link for extending Axim warranty. There are options available online for extending the NB & desktop.
// msg re by enCORe
This Dell doesn't come with original box. I'm worried about sending item with Poslaju, I'v trade/sending discman & mp3 player before but PDA is fragile (specially on the screen). I don't want it come malfuntion when arrived which is waste your money & my reputation. If you still unable for COD pickup, youre risking the deal for Poslaju.
//
I know the risk. That's why I ask about the original box of your Axim.
I can't find any of my KL friends to COD with you as they are busy and not very tech savvy. Reluctant to offer this kind of help.
I think we have to use courier service if we made the deal. Just try your best to protect the PDA (esp screen) and the cradle. I suggest use GDEX instead of POSLAJU as if possible.
// msg re by enCORe btw; tell your friend RM600 cannot get Axim X50 without extra 1GB CFcard even it has no warranty, if so show me.
//
Be cool. I think you misunderstood what I mean. I don't mean to further bargain the price to around RM600 (although this is the price suggested by my friend). What I mean is if possible you can give me a little bit of extra discount (any amount) at your goodwill. If this thing become too complicated, just forget about it!
Do let me know when you get the CF enclosure and stylus. Please post some photos of the PDA and hopefully we can make a deal

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lazybone pm on Apr 27 2006, 07:40 PM

Hi, Encore, I will take it please contact me
at anthonylimhc@gmail.com

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lazybone pm on Apr 27 2006, 08:41 PM

Rmxxx for the PDA
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abrls pm on Apr 27 2006, 09:44 PM
// msg re by enCORe
-not yet, I've check it's tracking number the delivery was FAILED ... , I take my office leave to Posmalaysia HQ this Friday
//
Pls update after your visit to Pos Malaysia HQ tomorrow.
I am waiting a good new from you.

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lazybone pm on Apr 27 2006, 10.05 PM
thanks...
well...talk later at 12

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lazybone pm on Apr 28 2006, 03:01 PM

sure man, I still interested in it.
Don't be mad, I will look for a stylus myself.

Please give me your account detail.
Hope the trading will be smooth and fruitful for both of us.

I might be checking for message every 2 hour or so.

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lazybone pm on Apr 28 2006, 03:01 PM

did u try other forwarder ? skynet maybe
http://www.skynet.com.my/station.htm
make sure you have protection in the packaging

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lazybone pm on Apr 28 2006, 03:01 PM

I also do not know the cost, but I tend to receive many packages by skynet
I will bare the cost suppose to be in the range Rm 10 - Rm30

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lazybone pm on Apr 28 2006, 05:24 PM

I have no preference as long as it safely arrive (express or domestic)
I will sent u detail once money is bank in
thank

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lazybone pm on Apr 28 2006, 05:51 PM

Money been transfered!

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abrls pm on Apr 28 2006, 06:24 PM

// msg re by enCORe
sorry to announce that STYLUS is not available,
Ive went chech to Poslaju HQ to claim item, he (previous seller) didn;t post my stylus, only CF card & belt extention for cases
reserve price still RMxxx IF you still interested
//
I feel sorry for you also.
Anyway I accept your offer, RMxxx for everything in the PDA package you offered + CF enclosure + cases & belt extension but minus the stylus.
Please provide me your account no. (preferably Maybank) & your phone no. So that I can transfer the money & inform you when transaction is done.
Since start from tomorrow, we have 3 public holiday (including 1 May), I suggest you don't send the items by POSLAJU yet. Please send it on Tuesday morning if possible. (to avoid any possible mishaps during these three non-working days)
Looking to hear you.

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abrls pm on Apr 29 2006, 03:38 AM

// msg re by enCORe
buyers already bankin 30 minutes before I read this messages...
sorry,
//
Hi enCORe,
I am shock and totally disappointed with you.
We have been communicated for a while regarding the deal.
I have never said that I will not buy your PDA.
And you have been promised to reserve the PDA till Friday.
Although I have been asking your bank acount no. for sometime, but you never give me your bank a/c in any of your reply.
Near the end the deal, suddenly you told me that you sold the PDA to someone else. This is unacceptable. This is going to ruin your good reputation in this forum.
Now I hope your PDA is still with you and you have a chance to rectify the problem by refund the buyer who bank in the money and explain the situation to him/her.
Hopefully you will rectify the problem and we can make the deal.
Looking for a good news from you.

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abrls pm on Apr 29 2006, 01:17 PM
// msg re by enCORe
item already sales & pending for postage
//
Your reputation as senior forumer and professional seller will be ruin.

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This post has been edited by enCORe: May 2 2006, 01:51 AM

Have a look if my statement why I didn't sell to him, is because he;

1 - Complaining about Prices

Im nego for the best prices, if youre have a problem about prices why should you buy from me ? afaik, the model sell is valuable & my bargain reasonable cheap


2 - Redundant issuing about warranty

I've WARN you about warranty on my garage thread, you still insist to know HOW to that & this is VERY anoying. This is use set which you have to bear the risk or its warranty, if you in serious warranty then buy a new one LAR


3 - Complaining about method of postage

Okay, youre making me difficult, I dont like this 'difficulties'


4 - Provocative warning

You've making our deal more difficulties & now I fell doubt on you. btw maybe you forget to put my caption

Eh eh encore.. mind to tell me where is this statement found in the entire pm log with agreement from both parties? Hmm.. kinda hard to read stuffs lately...

Meanwhile I got another offer from "lazybone". I've choose lazybone due paying respect on my deal. Now compare his post with "abrsl" ethically

A simple post which is I like


look on the post , its very simple post. He's taking his deal but I still not comfirming yet



He DOES read my entire post / story on my garage sales. He know that the stylus & fake cf card enclosure was mention n/a before

I must reply this good buyer

This post has been edited by enCORe: May 2 2006, 01:54 AM

erm wait , I 've to post MORE
I grant your access to see my inbox if you want

------------back to topic-----------------

See the offer, quite 'silent' for a while

He didn't post much after provocating at meantime I got a pm by lazybone


Crucial time to choose buyer

look at the PM time, lazybone act 30 minutes before with confident. While I STAY put doubt to you

abrsl come with more agressive statement


Gentlemen
I knew it that I shouldnt trust him. He demand me to refund 'lazybone' payment but then ... just WTH are you ? ....

This post has been edited by enCORe: Apr 30 2006, 03:34 PM

The issue here isnt whether he pissed u off by asking u stupid questions that u didnt like
If u couldnt stand him in the first place, u could have just ignored him and stop replying him

The question now is, did u say that you've reserve it for him?

I'm still confused after reading all those

This post has been edited by KilJim: Apr 30 2006, 03:30 PM

there no mention about to comfirm him or reserving, & I cannot accepting his deal before this fuss over

btw; I cannot reserve to ppl like that

This post has been edited by enCORe: Apr 30 2006, 03:37 PM

Bump~!
Bump~!
Bump~!

Gentlemen, enCORe has posted an extensive explanation to defend himself.
But I think he purposely omit this crucial PM which he sent me on 26 April 2006.



I was never informed that he got an offer from lazybone until their transaction was done. So in this case, enCORe is FFK.

I can understand the fear in enCORe when I warned him that he would ruin his reputation as professional seller on this forum.

That's why he tried to twist the truth by diverting everyone attention on how difficult I am as a buyer, hiding a crucial PM that he promised to reserve the item for me till Friday and adding comments to the abstract of the PM to justify his unethical practice.

I have asked enCORe is there any way to extend the warranty with Dell in my early PM to him. He has nicely answered by giving me a link to Dell website which I couldn't find the info to extend the warranty. That's why I clarified with him in my subsequent PM. I have never ask him to extend the warranty as part of our deal.

enCORe is the one who said that he is worried to send the PDA by POSLAJU in his early PM. I feel the same and that's why I offered him the other courier service which I think is reliable. Now he is blaming me that I make him difficult.

I did asked an extra discount from enCORe after I make my initial offer. Everyone who read the message will understand that I was requesting for a little extra discount instead of threatening him to cancel the deal. The statement "If this thing become too complicated, just forget about it! ". What I mean is just forget about the discount and move on.
That's no way enCORe interpret the statement as I was threatening him to cancel deal because he has nicely replied me like this
-SURE (doesn't this kind of reply showed that he felt relieved when I offered him to forget about discount)

f*** off of this excuse, you & I did not comfirm the deal as I’ve my right to keep my buyers queue. Show your evidence when did I making “to comfirm” & you so call ‘fully accept” the deal.

Afaik its mention the item cannot be reserve until you give me fully comfirmation




Ooo your difficulty, why don’t you think about my difficulties as seller to choose the right buyers, or you mean hiding the prices ? –why should I tell another seller prices?

You’re are the one unethical human being, you loses becoz of you manner as buyer,
Then YOU are the one who trying to imply other attention





And I give you the web detail regarding warranty, you asking about things I don’t know much as I don’t entertain much about Dell Online Support Program, and you be still keep asking , and asking about this fuss warranty issues and I HATE the way you ask, like pleading a brand new one item, screw your if you wan original then get a brand new lar bodo





I don’t blame much for the reason, actually I ‘m displease your request as I mention ONLY cover for POSLAJU, so this mean you didn’t read my whole garages ad, now who to blame ?





I can be kidding as you, but if you not neither me. Im looking yourself a not priority buyer, why ?

because you never READ my entire garage sales post & why should I concern about you after demand so much issues about prices & warranty when there another great buyer that fill my condition ?


You’ve making me unclear deal which leads of failure – so padan muka. And now you try to frame me like shit.

erm..this case kind hard to judge - but i have a comment to enCORe,

i like ur presentation in this thread - especially like that Crucial time to choose buyer screenshot, nicely analized chart. lol

erm... trying to making all clear... that

------------back to topic-----------

Now gentlemen compare my reminder from your understanding

1 - do you understand what I'm hightlight ?

I did TELL your world that item cannot be comfirm yet right ?


2- do you understand what IF means in CAPITAL LETTERs

I assume you're not much interested since youre bother me & questioning me like police, this & thats not right -boleh blah.

While waiting your so called confirmation to accept my deal, winner (lazybone) already point up & to comfirm.

This post has been edited by enCORe: May 2 2006, 01:58 AM

From all those PM..if i m Encore..i will do the same thing. And he said he reserve for u if u still intrested . And...the main reason he choose other ppl is because..the buyer is easy buyer. He come and ask for Acc and bank in and agree with all Encore method of dealing. Take this as lesson perhaps.
When i deal with someone...my 1st PM will be...'Pls give me ur Acc and method of dealing' 2nd Pm will be deal if i im intrested.
But..be sure read anything neccessary on the thread.

This post has been edited by Cyclone87: Apr 30 2006, 10:54 PM

totally agree with cyclone. ill do da same thg man. come on, 1 person is already comfirm buying from you, dun tell me im gonna wait for u with all ur fuzzy reason nt knowing u want or nt in the end. definately as a seller ull be more than glad to sell ur goods to such buyers.

This post has been edited by kidmad: Apr 30 2006, 11:33 PM

Yea..end up..when u not satisfied with the item..there is posibility for u to ask the seller for refund. The best is...read all in his thread..get a copy of it. And Pm him straight say ' Deal' . I m someone like this..and most of my customer is like this too. It because..i ignore those with fuzzy reason.

As long as total confirmation didn't take place,I don't think encore is wrong.

Only thing I know in trade = You totally confirm the deal,he'll/she'll reserve it for you.