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enCORe
post Apr 30 2006, 02:27 PM

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Before I'm explaining my reason, gentlemen please read to the whole log, I'm explaining on the next post

all message are sort by date

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abrls pm on Apr 25 2006, 12:38 AM

I am interested to buy your PDA.
But I need a few clarifications.
1. Retail case (unused) - what type of case is it?
2. Warranty till 27 April 2006, anyway to extend it?
3. Is the original invoice or receipt for the PDA with you?
4. Any chances to get back the CF enclosure?
Looking to hear from you.


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abrls pm on Apr 25 2006, 02:29 AM

// msg re by enCORe
hi there
1. Retail case is the original given cases for PDA, slide in type case
2. Refer HERE
3. YES,
4. maybe, I got email today for Poslaju tracking number by previous seller, should be both CF & stylus
//
Thanks for your fast reply.
1 last question, if POSLAJU is needed for delivery, how are you going to pack the PDA (avoid impaction & possible damage to the PDA during transportation)?
If you manage to get the stylus and CF enclosure from the previous owner, I am willing to pay RMxxx (PDA + 1GB CF).
Deal?

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abrls pm on Apr 25 2006, 11:46 PM

// msg re by enCORe
Well, I just only pack with alot of old newspaper for absortion but then I only can recommend COD for safe.
Places for COD would be at Star LRT Station -Ampang, Maluri, HangTuah, on normal days after 5.50pm onwards. Or ;Lowyat on Saturday, Sunday.
*you need to ease me becoz i only uses public transport to reach u
RMxxx is good prices but cannot comfirm yet, can you wait ? want reserved ?
//
Sorry for the late reply.
Anyway for you to put up the picture of your PDA so that I can see the condition of it.
In your post, you mentioned that the retail case is unused.
So is the PDA protected with any cases when you use it?
If the original box of the PDA still available, then pack it & send with POSLAJU should be OK. Of course extra newspaper outside the original package will provide extra shock absortion.
Regarding the link you sent me in previous for extending the warranty, the webpage only showed method of payment when purchasing is done with Dell. No instructions for extending warranty, did I misread the page? Pls clarify.
For the payment, I can make direct transfer into your bank account, preferably MayBank. (other banks also OK but definitely not BCB or BSN, pls ). Please provide me your bank a/c no., your address and contact no.
Last, about the price. RMxxx is the price I offered. My friend told me it is a bit high in view of no more valid factory warranty when I received the PDA if I buy it from you (warranty end 2 days time). His recommend ed price to grab the PDA is RM600 or less. But I may not want to negotiate further to get a lower price from you and make the whole deal an unhappy one. I just wish that you may give extra discount at your goodwill and make me a happy buyer.
Looking to hear from you.

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abrls post on Apr 26 2006, 05:54 PM

// msg re by enCORe
For the picture I cannot post it until I gather the whole packages complete; still awaiting the send the item. I'm not sure will it happen or not happen, but he's already give me the pos tracking number on monday... should be arrive today . You need to wait for a while or I cannot release it for sale. Thats why I keep my warning and mention the item was incompleted right ?
//
Did the CF enclosure & stylus arrive?

// msg re by enCORe
I'm using optional original Dell Axim cases while the 2ndary retail cases keep unused in the box (means this one it has 2 cases)
//
Same type of case or different type?
// msg re by enCORe
As for Dell weblinks mention types of payment but theres also way to extending warranty, you need to browse. I'v ask about xtending & taking ownership to Dell support via email, but aah... such troublesome everything must through online or by phone call... money.
//
I can't find any link for extending Axim warranty. There are options available online for extending the NB & desktop.
// msg re by enCORe
This Dell doesn't come with original box. I'm worried about sending item with Poslaju, I'v trade/sending discman & mp3 player before but PDA is fragile (specially on the screen). I don't want it come malfuntion when arrived which is waste your money & my reputation. If you still unable for COD pickup, youre risking the deal for Poslaju.
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I know the risk. That's why I ask about the original box of your Axim.
I can't find any of my KL friends to COD with you as they are busy and not very tech savvy. Reluctant to offer this kind of help.
I think we have to use courier service if we made the deal. Just try your best to protect the PDA (esp screen) and the cradle. I suggest use GDEX instead of POSLAJU as if possible.
// msg re by enCORe btw; tell your friend RM600 cannot get Axim X50 without extra 1GB CFcard even it has no warranty, if so show me.
//
Be cool. I think you misunderstood what I mean. I don't mean to further bargain the price to around RM600 (although this is the price suggested by my friend). What I mean is if possible you can give me a little bit of extra discount (any amount) at your goodwill. If this thing become too complicated, just forget about it!
Do let me know when you get the CF enclosure and stylus. Please post some photos of the PDA and hopefully we can make a deal

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lazybone pm on Apr 27 2006, 07:40 PM

Hi, Encore, I will take it please contact me
at anthonylimhc@gmail.com


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lazybone pm on Apr 27 2006, 08:41 PM

Rmxxx for the PDA

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abrls pm on Apr 27 2006, 09:44 PM
// msg re by enCORe
-not yet, I've check it's tracking number the delivery was FAILED ... , I take my office leave to Posmalaysia HQ this Friday
//
Pls update after your visit to Pos Malaysia HQ tomorrow.
I am waiting a good new from you.


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lazybone pm on Apr 27 2006, 10.05 PM
thanks...
well...talk later at 12

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lazybone pm on Apr 28 2006, 03:01 PM

sure man, I still interested in it.
Don't be mad, I will look for a stylus myself.

Please give me your account detail.
Hope the trading will be smooth and fruitful for both of us.

I might be checking for message every 2 hour or so.


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lazybone pm on Apr 28 2006, 03:01 PM

did u try other forwarder ? skynet maybe
http://www.skynet.com.my/station.htm
make sure you have protection in the packaging


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lazybone pm on Apr 28 2006, 03:01 PM

I also do not know the cost, but I tend to receive many packages by skynet
I will bare the cost suppose to be in the range Rm 10 - Rm30


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lazybone pm on Apr 28 2006, 05:24 PM

I have no preference as long as it safely arrive (express or domestic)
I will sent u detail once money is bank in
thank


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lazybone pm on Apr 28 2006, 05:51 PM

Money been transfered!


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abrls pm on Apr 28 2006, 06:24 PM

// msg re by enCORe
sorry to announce that STYLUS is not available,
Ive went chech to Poslaju HQ to claim item, he (previous seller) didn;t post my stylus, only CF card & belt extention for cases
reserve price still RMxxx IF you still interested
//
I feel sorry for you also.
Anyway I accept your offer, RMxxx for everything in the PDA package you offered + CF enclosure + cases & belt extension but minus the stylus.
Please provide me your account no. (preferably Maybank) & your phone no. So that I can transfer the money & inform you when transaction is done.
Since start from tomorrow, we have 3 public holiday (including 1 May), I suggest you don't send the items by POSLAJU yet. Please send it on Tuesday morning if possible. (to avoid any possible mishaps during these three non-working days)
Looking to hear you.


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abrls pm on Apr 29 2006, 03:38 AM

// msg re by enCORe
buyers already bankin 30 minutes before I read this messages...
sorry,
//
Hi enCORe,
I am shock and totally disappointed with you.
We have been communicated for a while regarding the deal.
I have never said that I will not buy your PDA.
And you have been promised to reserve the PDA till Friday.
Although I have been asking your bank acount no. for sometime, but you never give me your bank a/c in any of your reply.
Near the end the deal, suddenly you told me that you sold the PDA to someone else. This is unacceptable. This is going to ruin your good reputation in this forum.
Now I hope your PDA is still with you and you have a chance to rectify the problem by refund the buyer who bank in the money and explain the situation to him/her.
Hopefully you will rectify the problem and we can make the deal.
Looking for a good news from you.


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abrls pm on Apr 29 2006, 01:17 PM
// msg re by enCORe
item already sales & pending for postage
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Your reputation as senior forumer and professional seller will be ruin.

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This post has been edited by enCORe: May 2 2006, 01:51 AM
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post Apr 30 2006, 02:54 PM

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Have a look if my statement why I didn't sell to him, is because he;

1 - Complaining about Prices
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Im nego for the best prices, if youre have a problem about prices why should you buy from me ? afaik, the model sell is valuable & my bargain reasonable cheap rolleyes.gif


2 - Redundant issuing about warranty
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I've WARN you about warranty on my garage thread, you still insist to know HOW to that & this is VERY anoying. This is use set which you have to bear the risk or its warranty, if you in serious warranty then buy a new one LAR vmad.gif


3 - Complaining about method of postage
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Okay, youre making me difficult, I dont like this 'difficulties' doh.gif


4 - Provocative warning
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You've making our deal more difficulties & now I fell doubt on you. btw maybe you forget to put my caption
QUOTE
" If this thing become too complicated, just forget about it! "
-SURE



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post Apr 30 2006, 02:59 PM

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Meanwhile I got another offer from "lazybone". I've choose lazybone due paying respect on my deal. Now compare his post with "abrsl" ethically whistling.gif

A simple post which is I like
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look on the post , its very simple post. He's taking his deal but I still not comfirming yet


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He DOES read my entire post / story on my garage sales. He know that the stylus & fake cf card enclosure was mention n/a before

I must reply this good buyer

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post Apr 30 2006, 03:02 PM

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erm wait , I 've to post MORE sweat.gif
I grant your access to see my inbox if you want

QUOTE(Enigmatic @ Apr 30 2006, 02:59 PM)
Eh eh encore.. mind to tell me where is this statement found in the entire pm log with agreement from both parties? Hmm.. kinda hard to read stuffs lately...
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See the offer, quite 'silent' for a while
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He didn't post much after provocating whistling.gif at meantime I got a pm by lazybone


Crucial time to choose buyer
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look at the PM time, lazybone act 30 minutes before with confident. While I STAY put doubt to you unsure.gif

abrsl come with more agressive statement
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Gentlemen
I knew it that I shouldnt trust him. He demand me to refund 'lazybone' payment laugh.gif but then ... just WTH are you ? vmad.gif ....

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post Apr 30 2006, 03:35 PM

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there no mention about to comfirm him or reserving, & I cannot accepting his deal before this fuss over

btw; I cannot reserve to ppl like that whistling.gif

QUOTE(KilJim @ Apr 30 2006, 03:30 PM)
The issue here isnt whether he pissed u off by asking u stupid questions that u didnt like
If u couldnt stand him in the first place, u could have just ignored him and stop replying him

The question now is, did u say that you've reserve it for him?

I'm still confused after reading all those
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post Apr 30 2006, 09:15 PM

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I was never informed that he got an offer from lazybone until their transaction was done. So in this case, enCORe is FFK.


f*** off of this excuse, you & I did not comfirm the deal as I’ve my right to keep my buyers queue. Show your evidence when did I making “to comfirm” & you so call ‘fully accept” the deal.

Afaik its mention the item cannot be reserve until you give me fully comfirmation



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I can understand the fear in enCORe when I warned him that he would ruin his reputation as professional seller on this forum.That's why he tried to twist the truth by diverting everyone attention on how difficult I am as a buyer, hiding a crucial PM that he promised to reserve the item for me till Friday and adding comments to the abstract of the PM to justify his unethical practice.

Ooo your difficulty, why don’t you think about my difficulties as seller to choose the right buyers, or you mean hiding the prices ? –why should I tell another seller prices?

You’re are the one unethical human being, you loses becoz of you manner as buyer,
Then YOU are the one who trying to imply other attention




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I have asked enCORe is there any way to extend the warranty with Dell in my early PM to him. He has nicely answered by giving me a link to Dell website which I couldn't find the info to extend the warranty. That's why I clarified with him in my subsequent PM. I have never ask him to extend the warranty as part of our deal.


And I give you the web detail regarding warranty, you asking about things I don’t know much as I don’t entertain much about Dell Online Support Program, and you be still keep asking , and asking about this fuss warranty issues and I HATE the way you ask, like pleading a brand new one item, screw your if you wan original then get a brand new lar bodo



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enCORe is the one who said that he is worried to send the PDA by POSLAJU in his early PM. I feel the same and that's why I offered him the other courier service which I think is reliable. Now he is blaming me that I make him difficult.


I don’t blame much for the reason, actually I ‘m displease your request as I mention ONLY cover for POSLAJU, so this mean you didn’t read my whole garages ad, now who to blame ?



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I did asked an extra discount from enCORe after I make my initial offer. Everyone who read the message will understand that I was requesting for a little extra discount instead of threatening him to cancel the deal. The statement "If this thing become too complicated, just forget about it! ". What I mean is just forget about the discount and move on.
That's no way enCORe interpret the statement as I was threatening him to cancel deal because he has nicely replied me like this
-SURE  (doesn't this kind of reply showed that he felt relieved when I offered him to forget about discount)


I can be kidding as you, but if you not neither me. Im looking yourself a not priority buyer, why ?

because you never READ my entire garage sales post & why should I concern about you after demand so much issues about prices & warranty when there another great buyer that fill my condition ?


You’ve making me unclear deal which leads of failure – so padan muka. And now you try to frame me like shit. vmad.gif

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post Apr 30 2006, 10:13 PM

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erm... icon_rolleyes.gif trying to making all clear... that

QUOTE(awh85 @ Apr 30 2006, 09:32 PM)
erm..this case kind hard to judge - but i have a comment to enCORe,
i like ur presentation in this thread - especially like that Crucial time to choose buyer screenshot, nicely analized chart. lol
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Now gentlemen compare my reminder from your understanding

1 - do you understand what I'm hightlight ?
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I did TELL your world that item cannot be comfirm yet right mad.gif ?


2- do you understand what IF means in CAPITAL LETTERs
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I assume you're not much interested since youre bother me & questioning me like police, this & thats not right -boleh blah.

While waiting your so called confirmation to accept my deal, winner (lazybone) already point up & to comfirm. vmad.gif

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lazybone pm on Apr 27 2006, 07:40 PM

Hi, Encore, I will take it please contact me
at anthonylimhc@gmail.com
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post May 1 2006, 07:45 PM

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Gentlemen, before we discuss further, allow me to reinstate the purpose of the topic. It is mean for deciding whether encore sold the item before the end of reserve period.

Thats your problem, because winnerbuyer keen to spend his time to see my frequently update thread. My offer mention will be end by Friday or anytime (stated on my thread). But then you also try to booked the item on Friday which that mean youre contradict yourself to buy before the end. rolleyes.gif

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The topic is not for deciding who gave encore a better offer.
Hopefully everyone still stays focused after reading encore's argumentive, emotional and offensive (e.g. f*** off of this excuse; screw you) explanation.

okay Mr Holy Man, you're talking CRAP yawn.gif

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2 things we need to confirm in order to prove encore FFK before end of reserve period.
1. confirmed he did mention about reserving the item to me until Friday IF I was still interested
2. to prove his assumption that I was interested before lazybone confirmed the transaction with him.
1. Your statement now contradict of your accusation; as long the IF mention on my words & thats cannot be sure as my 'will'.
2. Making unclear subject does not make you (& I) interested, check those PM log on post4. READ onmy 4thpost la BODO mad.gif
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On 26 April, he promised to reserve the item until Friday (28 April) if I still interested.
Please take note of the chronological order of encore's PM which he didn't show clearly in his explanation.
(He cannot confirm yet initially. Then, he offerred to reserve for me subsequently if I still interested).
1. Since when I promise sales to you ? Show your evidence. You clearly mention that I cannot comfirm initially & you know my status -unclear, thus you making me not seriously taken.

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I did show my interest by PM encore daily (after he offered me a reserve) to follow up the progress (getting CF enclosure and stylus from previous seller).
And that's no doubt that encore knew I was still interested to buy the PDA from him if he could get the CF enclosure and stylus (part of the deal in my offer).
This assumption is supported by the encore's PMs on 27 and 28 April.
Not only you 'interested' for my sales, theres more people asking for the item, as I still awaiting your comfirmation due your silly question. Until you making decision on Friday 6:24pm 'to accept' my offer.
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Compare to winnerbuyer he already confirmed my deal, but I sell to him on Friday.

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No doubt that encore still assume I was interested to buy the PDA before lazybone confirmed transaction with him. If not, why he bothered to give me a new deal (reserve price RM600) when he can't get the stylus on 28 April. (I offered him RM650 for complete set on 25 April)
I mention this update not only for you, it was notification updated as your requested, afair I do send pm to other whos 'interest'

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--> encore is proven again in his own statement that he is trying to twist the truth by equalizing "interested" to "full confirmation". 
Should "interested" = "full confirmation of deal"?
Please take note, encore said "interested" not "full confirmation" in his PM as a requirement for him to reserve the item for me.
AFAIK, "interested" = will buy but not confirmed (while waiting for the problem to be sort out)
"full confirmation" = fully committed, definitely buy
Gentlemen (except encore), please correct me if I am wrong.
What's this CRAP ? let ppl judge this problem

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I won't challenge him and won't start this topic if encore informed me that someone gave him a better offer (in this case, lazybone) and set a time for me to respond (like "please confirm by 5PM or I will sell to others" in his PM on 28 April).

But then you threaten me right away after sales & warn to spread this matter on public. Such disgusting manner only becoz youre late 30minutes, so padan muka.

As for the rules & regulation offer can be closed by anytime. It's my sale & my rules so 1st come 1st serve


You finished ? can I go know doh.gif

This post has been edited by enCORe: May 1 2006, 07:47 PM
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post May 2 2006, 01:26 AM

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QUOTE(abrls @ May 1 2006, 10:48 PM)
OK, that's no point to argue further by posting screenshots of PMs with comment.

The point I start the topic is to show the evidence that encore did break his own promise in the process of selling his Axim.

So let the evidence speaks for itself and people do the judgement.

My advice to potential seller, please state clearly in your offer:
1. 1st come 1st served

Don't simply give empty promise (like reserving) to any potential buyer if you just want to sell your item to the buyer who gives you the highest offer / best offer.
This is to avoid unnecessary misunderstanding between seller and buyer.
It will save the seller from ruining his own reputation.
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abrsl
look at the attachment, r u stupid or something ?

With an "undoubtful" reply you define it as 'you & I' comfirmation mad.gif ?

Both us NEVER meet satisfaction for fully confirmation. There will be no deal unless both party commit for deal; vmad.gif

-You-
You still didn't reply my with clear message to confirm, until winbuyer decided. On Friday 28-4-06, 6:24pm you finally accept my offer, but youre too late. So why do you need to reply 'to accept' my deal if both party was tie in contract ? rolleyes.gif

-Me-
By putting 'IF' in CAPITAL LETTER, there will be no confirmation due certain reason; like new member, uncertain, buyers not in condition etc. Even IF youre senior member I should aware of FFK cases.
FYI - There's also FFK cases during my Axim deal but I let just it go. shakehead.gif


Now Mr moderator can you help me to solve this problem, I've state all my proof at least some "Magistrate advisor" unsure.gif





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in this case, we'll need to look into defining 'About the prices, I'm now reserving to you until Friday'
only the price is reserved until Friday not the item? does it mean seller will not change the price until Friday?


A nego price is not firm, thats mean price base on nego and can be change. This is mention & updated on my sales thread. The offer will be end on Friday, not the price.

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does that also mean the seller can't sell the item ? yes ? no ?

At 1st, yes it can be sell by anytime (open sale), but on Tuesday I've updating the item should be released/sale by late Friday due awaiting stylus demand.

Everything was updated on the sales thread with pm notification to interest buyer.

This post has been edited by enCORe: May 2 2006, 01:39 AM
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post May 2 2006, 01:47 AM

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IF I really do reserve to him, and he didn't accept then it was not in contract. Deal occur when both party agree & put seriously confirm the deal.

btw; I hope you read my log before commenting,


QUOTE(low yat 82 @ May 2 2006, 01:38 AM)
totally agree... last time i also kena... does those sell stuff noe wats d meaaning of reserve??? it means d item will b keep for a certain time..

if in d period, got potential buyer offers higher price, thats is ur prob,and he shud b list as bc up... coz u reserve for d 1st person....

if d seller wanna sell whos offer him higher, plz state it and dun use 'reserve' word... vmad.gif  damnittt...
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post May 4 2006, 01:34 PM

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Although this cases still hang unresolved, I want to make apologies to abrsl if me or He causing this problem. I need his respect atleast due his provocation, thats why people tend to react aggressive for something that may displease. In this cases, he putting me down as FFK without consulting me 1st. I hope you can reconsider me to clean my rep back otherwise this case unresolved.

here you are mr abrsl
Our deal never meet satissfaction, I am sorry for our unsuccesfull deal due both party misunderstanding. smile.gif



btw; that one was like Ghandi marquis blush.gif

QUOTE(marquis @ May 4 2006, 12:15 PM)
So chill ppl! Stop the flaming and start the loving smile.gif
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