I put up an [WTB] offer PPC with wifi for RM700 or below.
Get an offer from enCORe (his Axim x50). Since he didn't get all the items from the previous seller, he has promised to reserve the item for me while he was getting the missing items (CF enclosure and stylus) from the previous seller (reserve until 28 April 2006)

The price is confirmed for the complete PDA set plus 1GB CF card. The deal would be sealed (transaction) once all the missing items arrived. Unfortunately, enCORe didn't get the stylus from the previous seller. He pm me at around 2 PM on 28 April and I replied him with his reserved price at around 5 PM. (should be 6 PM after I check the log)

At about 7PM, he PM me that he has sold his PDA before he managed to read my message (sent around 6 PM). He told me another buyer already bank in.

I was shocked and totally disappointed with his unprofessional practice.

This post has been edited by abrls: Apr 30 2006, 05:19 PM

U r right, Enigmatic.

I will PM enCORe to ask him to provide his explanation here.

This post has been edited by abrls: Apr 30 2006, 10:33 AM

Gentlemen, enCORe has posted an extensive explanation to defend himself.
But I think he purposely omit this crucial PM which he sent me on 26 April 2006.



I was never informed that he got an offer from lazybone until their transaction was done. So in this case, enCORe is FFK.

I can understand the fear in enCORe when I warned him that he would ruin his reputation as professional seller on this forum.

That's why he tried to twist the truth by diverting everyone attention on how difficult I am as a buyer, hiding a crucial PM that he promised to reserve the item for me till Friday and adding comments to the abstract of the PM to justify his unethical practice.

I have asked enCORe is there any way to extend the warranty with Dell in my early PM to him. He has nicely answered by giving me a link to Dell website which I couldn't find the info to extend the warranty. That's why I clarified with him in my subsequent PM. I have never ask him to extend the warranty as part of our deal.

enCORe is the one who said that he is worried to send the PDA by POSLAJU in his early PM. I feel the same and that's why I offered him the other courier service which I think is reliable. Now he is blaming me that I make him difficult.

I did asked an extra discount from enCORe after I make my initial offer. Everyone who read the message will understand that I was requesting for a little extra discount instead of threatening him to cancel the deal. The statement "If this thing become too complicated, just forget about it! ". What I mean is just forget about the discount and move on.
That's no way enCORe interpret the statement as I was threatening him to cancel deal because he has nicely replied me like this
-SURE (doesn't this kind of reply showed that he felt relieved when I offered him to forget about discount)

Gentlemen, before we discuss further, allow me to reinstate the purpose of the topic. It is mean for
deciding whether encore sold the item before the end of reserve period.
The topic is not for deciding who gave encore a better offer.
Hopefully everyone still stays focused after reading encore's argumentive, emotional and offensive (e.g. f*** off of this excuse; screw you) explanation.

2 things we need to confirm in order to prove encore FFK before end of reserve period.
1. confirmed he did mention about reserving the item to me until Friday IF I was still interested
2. to prove his assumption that I was interested before lazybone confirmed the transaction with him.



On 25 April, encore said he cannot confirm the deal yet.


On 26 April, he promised to reserve the item until Friday (28 April) if I still interested.
Please take note of the chronological order of encore's PM which he didn't show clearly in his explanation.
(He cannot confirm yet initially. Then, he offerred to reserve for me subsequently if I still interested).

I did show my interest by PM encore daily (after he offered me a reserve) to follow up the progress (getting CF enclosure and stylus from previous seller).
And that's no doubt that encore knew I was still interested to buy the PDA from him if he could get the CF enclosure and stylus (part of the deal in my offer).
This assumption is supported by the encore's PMs on 27 and 28 April.



No doubt that encore still assume I was interested to buy the PDA before lazybone confirmed transaction with him. If not, why he bothered to give me a new deal (reserve price RM600) when he can't get the stylus on 28 April. (I offered him RM650 for complete set on 25 April)

--> encore is proven again in his own statement that he is trying to twist the truth by equalizing "interested" to "full confirmation".
Should "interested" = "full confirmation of deal"?
Please take note, encore said "interested" not "full confirmation" in his PM as a requirement for him to reserve the item for me.
AFAIK, "interested" = will buy but not confirmed (while waiting for the problem to be sort out)
"full confirmation" = fully committed, definitely buy
Gentlemen (except encore), please correct me if I am wrong.

I won't challenge him and won't start this topic if encore informed me that someone gave him a better offer (in this case, lazybone) and set a time for me to respond (like "please confirm by 5PM or I will sell to others" in his PM on 28 April).

This post has been edited by abrls: May 1 2006, 01:31 PM

No big deal.
Just reveal the truth.

OK, that's no point to argue further by posting screenshots of PMs with comment.

The point I start the topic is to show the evidence that encore did break his own promise in the process of selling his Axim.

So let the evidence speaks for itself and people do the judgement.

My advice to potential seller, please state clearly in your offer:
1. 1st come 1st served

Don't simply give empty promise (like reserving) to any potential buyer if you just want to sell your item to the buyer who gives you the highest offer / best offer.
This is to avoid unnecessary misunderstanding between seller and buyer.
It will save the seller from ruining his own reputation.

"The stupid neither forgive nor forget; the naïve forgive and forget; the wise forgive but do not forget." -Thomas Szasz-

I hope everyone can learn somethings as a buyer and as a seller from the dispute.
For a buyer, don't drag a deal if you are very keen to buy (to avoid unnecessary mishaps)
For a seller, don't simply offer "reserve" to the buyer as it may cause unnecessary hassle if the deal breaks down.

With this, encore's apology is accepted and the dispute is considered end!

Moderator please lock the topic. Thanks.

This post has been edited by abrls: May 4 2006, 11:45 PM