I remember walking by a first-gen Innova some time ago in a parking lot.. The engine sounds alot like the one found on the Fortuner/Hilux.. Loud and noisy

This post has been edited by YouDontKnowMyName: May 26 2013, 03:55 PM

Exactly! It sounds like diesel. But it's petrol and its only an upgrade from the old Toyota Unser.

i believe since the TS has narrowed down the options between T and N, the choice is obvious: depends on what TS wants. Avanza and Innova are both ladder chassis type of vehicles where NGL is monocoque. Therefore if TS would like to get a vehicles to carry more loads, therefore T brand is the better choice. If comfort and not carry high loads that often, then NGL is the better choice. Monocoque car would have better FC compares to ladder chassis in general. Ladder chassis makes a car tougher than monocoque. Monocoque car more on performance where ladder chassis more on power. It is easier to incorporate crumpler zone into a monocoque car. As the concept mentions, it's easier to repair ladder chassis car's crumpler zone. It all depends on what TS wants for the car: performance, luxury, (more) sports everyday car to a commercial and heavy duty car.

Mostly the MPV is going to be used for regular everyday transport in city, only sometimes going to used to carry load

grand livina was my prime candidate for new car several months ago

i extensively test drove all the variants including the 1.8 auto,1.6 auto and manual, and x-gear

the biggest surprise for me is the manual 1.6

after trying all the auto variants, when finally located a second hand 1.6 manual version to test drive,i was completely astounded by how a transmission can totally change a car character (actually i always know this,by having family and friends who own a kelisa,myvi,vios,wira and waja in both tranny grant me many opportunity to compare)

the DOHC 1.6 non variable cam timing lumps on the 1.6 was just sooo willing to rev,powerful, very responsive and great engine sounds!
it totally transform my impression of livina being a little of pork car(auto variant) into a classical example of a good N/A engine car, not to mentioned the few manual livina owners here reporting added benefit of much superior gas mileage

if u able go manual,try it!

*just realized it was your mom's car,kindly omit my post if its not relevant

This post has been edited by Valentino46: May 27 2013, 06:13 AM

Livina 1.8L for city or 50% highway for claim the FC is around 10.6/L.

For innova from what I knew is pump Rm50 Ron 95 and clock less than 200km in city drive.

That's what you be concern about daily drive. Even Toyota SA said the car properly for 2nd car or use for highway a lot more

The overall innova is very nice car, if you don't mind about high FC should be better choice.

My 1.6AT Livina usually can average around 11-13kms/ltr combined city/highway on RON95. If drive mostly highway, then can reach 13-14kms/ltr.

My mother prefers driving manual too...

And yes, the gearbox makes a huge difference. Especially if the auto one only has got 4 speeds and is a torque converter. Those eat up some power. AMT and DSG are more efficient, but more problematic...

Hopefully the face-lifted grand livina will be equipped with cvt, which should be beneficial to TCSC also...

From our neighbor country of indo to be launch soon for facelift & come with CVT and new engine as well.

China also new equipment.

If they confirm change to CVT I think wil be most successful again in 1.6L used with CVT gearbox.

Bru,

Read this - Livina facelift launched in Indonesia.

We may get the same variants here.

No CVT for 1.8 but they a have new 1.5 model with CVT. Wonder will we get the 1.5 CVT here.