u sure 10 years? mine first batch avanza year 2005 only wor. now also 8 years je. juz changed to new one early this year

it's definitely only close to 10 years.. I don't really remember which year but I'm sure it's right when Avanza was released in Malaysia

All the car have follow up maintenance should be not much issue.

Livina 1.8G = more confort ride.
Avanza is most pumpy issue the rest is not much issue.
Innova slightly heavy and more comfortable, the only cant tahan of slightly heavy fuel than all here.

Over here if wanna ride as spacious and tall like SUV to be instead of innova at all.

If wanna ride faster and stylist with lowest from ground as sedan feel. The only go for Livina.

I guess we just have to agree to disagree on those.

Btw if want to buy Livina, there's already a facelift model in other countries, not sure when to arrive in Malaysia.

This post has been edited by 6UE5T: May 25 2013, 11:20 PM

The facelift got changes to the interior? I can't seem to find much info on it

It's already arrived in Indonesia, see it here:
http://www.modifikasi.com/showthread.php/4...na-di-Indonesia

IMHO proper maintenance is needed, but then a conti can be pretty reliable too. Especially newer ones. Of course if you are a cheapskate you'll ruin the car. Find and fix upcoming problems early on and you won't break down. My conti was 5 1/2 years old when I bought it, now it's 8. Never broke down (a flat battery once, but after a while it started again ). Yes, there is wear and tear, but that's to be expected, and I'm not exactly a gentle driver. Same with the other contis in the family. Relatively problem free cars. Not perfect, but nothing that would make me regret getting them. And I'm talking about French cars. The only way to be less reliable is to buy a Italian car.

Also it is not just good handling but also safety. What for good reliability if you'll die in a crash (that may be caused by someone else)?

The behind design looks very similar to the Kia Carens/Rondo imo

Hahaha, yeah that's especially because of the rear lights.

if jz only tis 3 choices, i'll go for livina

Avanza 1.5 needing ~3.1k rpm for 110km/h, the previous 1.3 is worse at 4k rpm, both definitely not a cruiser for me, short distance ~90km/h max should be fine.
Grand livina is not for fast acceleration, it mean for reasonable torque, normal drive won't need >2.5krpm, unless for fast acceleration. Avanza could have a closer ratio gear box for faster response.

If changing from old avanza to new avanza... i don't think it is worth doing so.

This post has been edited by Alan: May 26 2013, 12:59 PM

that's what i thought

the FC is decent for a car of that size right? also, bumpy and bouncy is it as bad as how the Avanza feels?

innova i think more to MPV
avanza is pretty much like riding a lorry

well, its a conti car opinion/statement, and its from u, so i'll take it with a pinch of salt.

Innova is not bad in terms of comfort and space, except that its a bit outdated, it's not very good looking and it's underpowered. Engine noise is very loud too.

Avanza can be very underpowered if fully loaded. And very bumpy as well.

Grand Livina is a better choice compared to the two others. Avoid the 1.6. But third row seats very cramp and not much legroom and the Interior is not very good looking.

I heard innova engine is same as the one found in toyota Hilux? not too sure about that.. can someone clarify?

Different. Innova's is a 2.0L VVT-I petrol, while Hilux is using 2.5 & 3.0 turbo diesel.

so which engine does the innova share with since its not the hilux

I'm not sure also. It seems that Innova is the only one using 1TR-FE.