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 Toyota Innova vs Avanza vs Nissan Grand Livina, Come give your opinions

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post May 25 2013, 05:53 PM

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QUOTE(YouDontKnowMyName @ May 25 2013, 03:39 PM)
Hi everyone, I'm asking on behalf of my dad because he's not sure of what MPV to buy for my mom  blush.gif

My mom is currently driving a first gen Toyota Avanza (late-2003 model I think) and is still running fine until today  whistling.gif
My dad is thinking of getting my mom a new MPV probably later this year or early 2014. My mom is an MPV-person because of it's practicality and whatnot.
Which is why currently my dad is considering these 3 MPVs for my mom, which are Toyota Innova, Toyota Avanza, and Nissan Grand Livina. All of which are within the budget that my dad is willing to pay for an MPV  smile.gif

In my opinion, the new Avanza looks pretty ugly to me, and knowing my mom's taste in cars, she probably would agree with me that the new Avanza doesn't look nice doh.gif
The new 2012 facelifted Innova looks decent, and the Grand Livina looks the nicest among these 3  sweat.gif

The current first-gen Avanza my mom currently drives is pretty underpowered from what I can feel.. Although I'm not much of a car person tongue.gif

Anyway my question is, which of the 3 cars have the best fuel economy, practicality and performance for the price?

I'd like to know what you guys think biggrin.gif

PS: My mom only wants an Auto transmission car  sweat.gif
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Best fuel economy: surely not Innova! I think Livina would have the best FC. I own one (the 1.6ltr version) and so far can get about 13-14km/ltr combined city/highway where daily route going thru Tun Razak evening traffic jam.

Practicality: Innova would be the best since it's the most spacious and comfortable. Avanza should be the worst since it's the smallest and the most uncomfortable due to very bouncy ride.

Performance: would be the Innova since got the most powerful engine, but also consumes the most fuel. But if you get the Livina 1.8, it's not too shabby as well. I'm only using the 1.6 and already taken it to >170kph, pick up is also decent.

IMHO it's between Innova & Livina. Innova is more comfortable and powerful but also most expensive and most thirsty. Livina IMHO is good enough already, decent car all around. The Livina stability and handling is also I think the better of the 3 since it's the lowest chassis, and it's the easiest to control since it's FWD (it won't oversteer). The car is also smaller than Innova so should be a better transition for your mom from Avanza, as opposed to Innova which is a much bigger car than Avanza (unless your mom is also used to driving a rather big car). Maintenance is also pretty cheap. The only other good option for your mom after Avanza, I'd say is the Alza, way much better than Avanza while still using the same engine, but it's the smallest of the bunch.

QUOTE(kadajawi @ May 25 2013, 04:33 PM)
Avanza floaty, bumpy, not safe at all. Also very outdated model. Meant for 3rd world.

Grand Livina floaty above 110 or so? Complaints by owners here. Sort of meant for 3rd world.

Innova outdated. Meant for 3rd world.

My pick would be Exora CFE, or if you want smaller Alza. Though really I'd rather get a second hand conti. I did and am happy.
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IMHO all MPV are relatively floaty as they're not designed to go higher speeds anyway. Having said that I've taken the Livina to >170kph and I think not that bad. I've also driven it to Cameron highland (both routes) and Genting, and it handles decently around those twisty stuff as it's not that heavy. I think it's one of the better ones in terms of handling among the bunch of MPVs with Avanza being the worst.

As for the 3rd world thing, IMHO all of these MPVs including Exora are the same class anyway. Exora seems to offers the most but it's also the biggest one. I alos don't know the reliability of Proton cars (at least I trust Nissan & Toyota engines a lot more as they're already very well proven despite maybe older technology). The handling would also not be so responsive due to it's weight (similar to Innova). So the question is whether the mom is used to driving such big cars.
I agree though, that Alza might be the better option.

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post May 25 2013, 07:53 PM

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QUOTE(YouDontKnowMyName @ May 25 2013, 06:33 PM)
Wow, that's a long long reply.. Thanks for taking your time to give your reply..  sweat.gif

Anyway the car that my mom drove before her first-gen Avanza was a first-gen Nissan Serena (1996 model I think), which was relatively large in size too (probably very similar in size to an Estima/Innova). So I don't think she would have any problems with a large car.

I agree that practicality wise, Innova would be the best since it's larger thus the space and passenger comfort would be much better.
And that Grand Livina would be better performance/handling wise since it's a smaller car..
I've read from somewhere on LYN before that the Innova can only deliver around 11-12km/L in city laugh.gif

Looks like Avanza is totally out of the question now. Options now narrowed down to Innova and Grand Livina only..

I noticed from the Toyota website that the air conditioning in the Innova is 1 air vent for each passenger whereas from the Nissan website it looks like the air conditioning vents are all only from the cockpit.. Is there a big difference between these 2 set-ups of both cars? hmm.gif
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Innova getting 11-12km/ltr in city drive is very good already, probably too good to be true especially if got into some traffic jams.

For aircon, yeah Livina is not that good since it relies much on the front blower. It has a middle outlet at the bottom but not strong as you need to switch the aircon to blow also to your feet if you want the middle vent to get more cool air. So for passengers in the 3rd row, it will take a while for the cool air to get there. Middle row still not too bad. Aircon is one of the weakness of this car IMHO. The cooling coil is also not good quality (at least up to my version), but mine is already replaced under warranty when it leaked and after that no more issue. Btw Nissan already offers option to install middle blower at additional cost, so you can take this option if need to.
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post May 25 2013, 07:59 PM

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QUOTE(kadajawi @ May 25 2013, 07:39 PM)
As for the length of the Innova... Length isn't everything biggrin.gif

I can comfortably seat 7 adults in my Kangoo, despite the car being <4m. Actually my favourite seat in the car (apart from drivers seat) is in the 3rd row biggrin.gif

I don't find it hard or scary to drive the Kangoo at 140-150 with one hand on the wheel. Due to the 1.4 with AT it won't drive faster.

Also I disagree with MPVs not being able to handle well at high speeds. The Touran easily does 180+. Won't feel it (I forgot that it had another gear, and the one I drove only had the old 1.9 diesel with 110+ HP). The Ford Galaxy is even better, a comfortable cruiser at 200. Relaxing even, despite having a comfort oriented suspension (the Touran is more sports car like). Of course different price class, but it can be done. And in base spec they are around RM 80k overseas. Considering that a Malaysian Touran that costs 166k or so would cost around 150-160k overseas... (It is a rather high spec car...)
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Well as you said, totally different price range. Nothing is free I guess.
I still think the Livina has decent handling & stability for its' price, compared to the others.
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post May 25 2013, 08:05 PM

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QUOTE(imperialrealcs @ May 25 2013, 07:05 PM)
u know why? because majority did not own them. i own both avanza and livina.
the livina 3rd row only for storage as its very hassle to go behind.
besides, its too low for aunty who prefer mpv due to larger view ahead. ask your mom, she will know.
mine is the 1.8. the performance so so only. dont expect much from mpv and nissan lol. fc also worst than my avanza 1.5.
and worst of all, smallest cabin space of all 3 u mentioned.
remember, this is a mpv we are talking about. cabin play the major role here. follow by price, and performance/safety.
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Well I do own Livina and Avanza before. smile.gif So yeah IMHO Livina still wins hands down to Avanza, I won't even think twice in saying that.

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post May 25 2013, 09:43 PM

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QUOTE(YouDontKnowMyName @ May 25 2013, 09:11 PM)
may i know what's your reason for choosing livina over avanza?  hmm.gif
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- Much more comfortable since it's not bouncing like the Avanza, and more quiet too.
- Much better handling on high speeds and during cornering since it's much lower ride height and wider. It feels more like a high station wagon instead of a tall MPV. If I drive the Avanza like I drive my Livina, I'd have flipped it many2 times over!
- I think Livina is a bit more spacious than Avanza.
- In my experience the Avanza is not that fuel efficient and the Livina is better FC with bigger engine and more torque too.
- Livina feels more solid as opposed to the Avanza which feels like a tin can!
- Finally the Livina is way2 much better looking car than Avanza, plus it has a lot more body kit options to make it look even better still!

So in my book, no contest really. smile.gif

If want cheaper or prefer Toyota engine, better go with Alza than Avanza. It has the same engine, more spacious, better ride quality, better FC, much better look too, and much cheaper some more! Another no contest really! smile.gif
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QUOTE(kadajawi @ May 25 2013, 08:38 PM)
You won not one, but two cars?!

Actually it isn't such a different price class. A bit higher, yes, but not that much. As I said, if comparing the same spec car our Cross Touran costs only maybe RM 10k more than it does in Germany. And since you can get a more entry level car for maybe RM 80k...
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Sorry meant to type "own" but got my sequence wrong! biggrin.gif My regular typo mistake.

Well anyway I think the Livina do handle pretty stable at highway cruising. Even my wife has driven it up to 120kph only for me to tell her to slow down a bit! smile.gif So yeah, for an MPV, it's not so bad in this aspect.

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QUOTE(imperialrealcs @ May 25 2013, 10:34 PM)
the 2 bolded part not so true. avanza is definitely bigger, roomier than livina. fc is definitely better as well. as driven by my mom both cars..
sitting in mid section already can feel crampy
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I guess we just have to agree to disagree on those. smile.gif

Btw if want to buy Livina, there's already a facelift model in other countries, not sure when to arrive in Malaysia.

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post May 25 2013, 11:57 PM

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QUOTE(YouDontKnowMyName @ May 25 2013, 11:48 PM)
The facelift got changes to the interior? I can't seem to find much info on it  rclxub.gif
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It's already arrived in Indonesia, see it here:
http://www.modifikasi.com/showthread.php/4...na-di-Indonesia
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post May 26 2013, 08:28 AM

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QUOTE(YouDontKnowMyName @ May 26 2013, 01:44 AM)
The behind design looks very similar to the Kia Carens/Rondo imo  whistling.gif
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Hahaha, yeah that's especially because of the rear lights.
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post May 27 2013, 11:52 AM

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QUOTE(kimsim @ May 27 2013, 06:23 AM)
Livina 1.8L for city or 50% highway for claim the FC is around 10.6/L.

For innova from what I knew is pump Rm50 Ron 95 and clock less than 200km in city drive.

That's what you be concern about daily drive. Even Toyota SA said the car properly for 2nd car or use for highway a lot more smile.gif

The overall innova is very nice car, if you don't mind about high FC should be better choice.
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My 1.6AT Livina usually can average around 11-13kms/ltr combined city/highway on RON95. If drive mostly highway, then can reach 13-14kms/ltr.

 

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