Pity those who wished for DASH. Just visit the facebook page to know more.

I suggest the highway company buy over the condo units at Damansara Perdana at satisfactory price and demolish it so that wider access for the highway can be achieved.

This post has been edited by New Klang: Jul 29 2015, 03:07 PM

Dash has been principally approved . Just that the md/Dp part is being contested , and it is being contested in a proper way.

Hope ppl here will be objective as doesn't matter which end of the highway , all the rakyats rights r being exercised n opinion are being fairly expressed. Example , Shah Alam side wanted it n MBSA had approved it while md side dun want it n the local council has considered their concerns. That's how local governance should be n not just bulldoze through projects, can u imagine how chaotic it will be if such practices r allowed of ignoring the residents views ?

U just can't barge into someone's house n destroy it, it's just not right! Morally n technically. U need to seek a least some form of consents. Isn't that supposed to be if we all want a better Malaysia ?






This post has been edited by tangtang22: Jul 29 2015, 03:30 PM

I just dun understand why some of u guys like highways so much? We know that it can help to ease the traffics but your really like to pay toll so much? The highways only will benefit the developers at the end and you will suffer on paying tolls.

Soonest or later the new highways will become congested so the demand for highways will never end. This is not a solution!

Well said.
We don't really need so much highways.
Just cut down the traffic would be the better solution.

So from now on please DON'T DRIVE YOUR CAR out.
Don't contribute to the already-congested-traffic.
Walk to the nearest MRT/LRT/KTM.


Ok stop being sarcastic.

We need more public transport/highways to ease the traffic.
To cut down the car volume we need proper big scale system, i.e. efficient public transport, controlled car volume.
Better infrastructure will need to be built.
Government/authority will need to step in, and funds as well.

Before all these idealism materialize traffic jam will continue to haunt everyone of us.

Easier said than done. Takes time too.

Until then, more highway please.
Kthxbai.

This post has been edited by ykit_88: Jul 29 2015, 06:27 PM

Do you know how the Sg. Penchala/ Kota Damansara/ Bandar Sri Damansara/ Desa Park City area looks like in the 90's? Way before DP was build? Before Ikea was there? Before there was a Penchala tunnel? If you haven't seen it, come to Puncak Alam Area. It's quite similar. Small roads with really bad networks, expanding townships, booming community, no public transport, etc.

The only public transport available in Kota Damansara (it was called Pusat Bandar Sg Buloh) back then was Ho Hup buses which goes to Pudu through Sungai Buloh & Selayang. Persiaran Surian was not build yet at the time. There was no Penchala link. Even Sprint highway was just a normal road. The road from Penchala to bandar sri damansara area (which didn't exist yet) was only a single lane road which was small and winding. I used to get carsick when going through that road.

That was 20 years ago. Now you guys have all the road networks that you need, MRT coming soon, and yes,highways and tolls all around you. Didn't see you guys protesting against any of it in the last 20 years. In fact, the tolled highway connections was one of the key point that attracted people to buy properties in DP. I bet less people would have bought properties in DP if there was no LDP, SPRINT, Penchala Link and NKVE. So, don't come and tell us that highways are bad when you guys have clearly benefitted from it.

We would love it if DASH got no tolls, but that is not gonna happen anytime soon. So, we would gladly settle for a tolled highway as long as it can improve the connectivity to the area. Right now, Persiaran Mokhtar Dahari is the only access road that is available in the area and it consist of a single lane road for most part of the stretch.

Be honest, even if DASH were built with no tolls, you guys will still protest against it right? The issue is not about tolled highways, environment all all the other reasons that you guys have given. The only reason is that DASH will cause a slight inconvenience to you guys. That's all there is to it.

DP residents have benefitted from the progress that was made in the last 20 years. Progress that also inconvenienced other townships. So, now we're just asking for the same thing that you guys had been able to enjoy. We deserve it as much as you guys do.

Dash is not "barging" and "destroying" your houses. Those words u used are too overly dramatic. It is merely passing through. Might cause a slight inconvenience, but that's all.

On the other hand, Damansara Perdana development displaces the Temuans from their ancestor land, destroyed their traditional way of living and brought 'outsiders' barging into their territory. And yet you guys still bought properties there. Where was your moral back then?

Prolintas are trying to engage with all affected parties, but if the protesters are protesting just for the sake of protesting, being selfish and not wanting to give any leeway, then that's not fair too. And even if all the technical requirements are met, you guys will still protest and turn it into a political issue. It will never end then.

This is a good discussion. I've been saying developers and town planners need to put a cap on density in certain areas if the transport infra is insufficient, dont just approve without considering traffic bottlenecks.

supply and demand,
you all want house in KL/PJ area,
developer build as much as it can.

town planner??
what is that, never see their do their job before

I strongly suggest that u Turun padang to visualize the impact to both md n dp.

Try to visualize it with the alignment n then u tell me what is the impact of dash. Not only it is damaging , it is outright a destruction of the ways of life of the residents . Hint, it's not that ez to visualize the alignment firstly.

If it won't affecting the residents, u think they will oppose ?

If u wanna look back at history n bringing up the orang asli issue ,
Did u stand up for them if u felt it was unjust ? Secondly , the orang asli were compensated n they had accepted the compensation , so it shall not be a point of discussion .

Another fact is, prolintas has not been playing fair, requirements have yet to be fulfilled n approval has been given. Again, to use ur "orang asli" analogy , is this morally acceptable to u?

This post has been edited by tangtang22: Jul 30 2015, 05:09 PM

an elevated highway that not combine with current road can cause what kind of problem?

don't cry if later the highway go ground and share the pju 8/1 (just my own visualization)

This post has been edited by elmond: Jul 30 2015, 05:08 PM

Agreed. I have study the traffic flow since I started driving to work 10 years ago. Almost every year I need to advance my time to go out to work despite the I changed few companies and the latest workplace was just 15km away taking me 1 hour to arrive. I stay at batu caves and I need to use jalan kuching to reach my workplace. 10 years ago I depart to work at 7.30am and reach office about 8am (company in jalan ipoh nearby dynasty hotel), then work at damansara height I need to go out at 7.20 then become 7.15, 7.05, 6.55 and now comes to 6.45am. The jalan kuching become so much congested due to additional junctions in recent years and there was no additional highway to reach KL (I willing to pay toll if it can shorten my time by 20-30 minutes). So people like me is so much hope to have highway at highly congested traffic areas.

Okay, many people claim how poor the existing public transport either buses or train services. In fact there are two KTM stations nearby batu caves and mastiara, but the usage of these 2 stations were way too low despite having the stations for few years. I believe because people work at different areas and KTM likely not able to reach or it has to take few transit train to bus to reach office. Real example, my ex-colleague who working at 1U bandar utama and she was staying at Setapak. Early morning 6.30am she need to walk to LRT station and take LRT reach kelana jaya. After arrive she has to take public bus from Kelana Jaya to 1U. The total journey take her at least 1.30 hour (waiting time and commuting time). Finish work at 6pm she always take more than 2 hours to reach home as it was peak than morning hour the crowd. After 2 years she decided to drive car to office which took her around 1 hour to office and back home about 1.30 hour. She save total 1 hour at least and sitting in relax (standing inside bus and train mostly).

In fact the public transport coverage is getting better compare to a decade ago but still many people choose to take their own drive reason being taking public transport may not save time, save money and sometimes more danger. There are several cases happen where people getting robbed or kidnapped at bus station in early morning or late night. Security is really a big issue especially for lady who waited at bus station alone. Therefore there are many things the government need to do to ease the traffic such as better security, education to youngster to use public transport more often (those who used to drive hardly change to take public transport), improve coverage and connection between buses and train and so on.

But until then more highway please (quoted yours, hehe). If I used the highway then I pay toll, fair trade but the toll rate must be reasonable la. hehe

This post has been edited by autodriver: Jul 30 2015, 10:02 PM

Well said ! Fully agreed your statements !

well said. own drive can save some time compare with public transport

This post has been edited by nexona88: Jul 30 2015, 10:49 PM

Comparing a time when density was really low with now when density has reached critical mass and infrastructure is already facing stress isn't exactly brilliant. Of course people are protesting when the area cant cope with it anymore.

Yes, I completely agreed with you because I was study college in KBU bandar utama 12 years ago. At that point of time the traffic of LDP is considered smooth though there was little traffic after the toll from Kepong. Damansara Perdana is completely forest and at early of 2000s the development of mutiara damansara has started. The Kota Damansara at that time the postcode was still under sungai buloh and no development at all at Giza mall till mutiara damansara. The access to KD is only from sungai buloh or jalan tanjung behind bandar utama.

With more development over the place of KD, MD and DP, the road has been widen and also penchala link highway take place to ease the highly growth areas. That is the reason why the developers keep developing the areas due to various access roads.

So place like puncak perdana, denai alam, puncak alam, saujana utama etc are also similar situation to KD, MD and DP a decade ago. Therefore the need of highway to ease the burden especially persiaran mokhtar dahari is necessary. Before LDP the road was only 2 lanes of each direction but now LDP is considered as highway and due to booming areas there are multiple interchange connected such as penchala link, sprint (plus highway), MRR2 and federal highway.

So DASH need highway to access to KL or PJ, if the elevated highway road is too close to residence area or the corner is too sharp which may cause accident, then prolintas should do re-alignment to avoid these issues. But re-alignment and removal is completely different thing. Those protesters are demanding permanent removal DASH from KD, MD and DP but there was no revised route provided. The DASH purpose is to connect penchala link (so far still consider under usage), MRR2 and sprint highway.

Since there was MRT and LRT services in PJ areas, they have other option such as take MRT or public buses to workplace. As I know DASH is crossing those places which have very least public commuters, that's why these areas need highway.

By the way people in KD, MD and DP, I bet you guys unlikely take MRT even though the MRT station completed in future as most of you still drive own car. Somemore you guys are always talk about high standard of living and every household own at least 1 or 2 cars and generally earning more compare to rural areas.

i believe Penchala link had been designed for DASH from beginning, so re-alignment from MD was almost impossible.

if you notice the penchala link have 2 path both entry and exit through jalan pju 8/1 & jalan pju 7/9 which very uncommon in a highway design

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This post has been edited by elmond: Jul 31 2015, 11:58 AM

The problem with the resident there is there is only one route out to the Guthrie, long jalan arang it is jam because of traffic light. The people living there is on the rise. Then there is jam around jalan lapangan terbang, and to shah alam... Another route to damansara will be able to slove the problem.

We don't like highway, who ever like to pay? But that is the why to go because of increasing traffic. The road will need to be broaden, new highway need to be build.

Damansara perdana area and surrounding is a business district now with all traffic going to during weekdays, so resident there have to be realistic that you will face the problem one day. If you really want a peaceful life, you have to go live somewhere else. Just my thought.

I have seen the kelana mrt line to subang passing through the condominium beside the empire shopping mall, no comment from the resident there, what a sporty residents they are. damansara perdana is a business district compare to Subang.

true ... at least Dash must be allow to build half way soon.
can release the heavy traffic in that area